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CapitalistPig
Nov 3, 2005

A Winner is you!

Sandwolf posted:

I didn't mean this, I just meant you can't trust the scum team to do a pro-townie thing for us. Hanging dudes is the only weapon we have, unless someone of unimportant alignment wants to SHOOT BYERS.

If I had a vig Id shoot you. <3

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Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

Sandwolf posted:

I didn't mean this, I just meant you can't trust the scum team to do a pro-townie thing for us. Hanging dudes is the only weapon we have, unless someone of unimportant alignment wants to SHOOT BYERS.

Yes, shoot the claimed doctor, that's a great idea, Sand!

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


EccoRaven posted:

Sandwolf calm down, like I told you in our scumdoc, it's just a game and Abyssal is newer. It's better to go with honey than vinegar or something.

HMM plZ meet in scum doc rn thnx

AnonymousNarcotics
Aug 6, 2012

we will go far into the sea
you will take me
onto your back
never look back
never look back

Sandwolf posted:

Someone loving shoot Byers.

If you were town, why would you want the doc dead?

Sandwolf and Ecco are scum, guys.

CapitalistPig
Nov 3, 2005

A Winner is you!

Sandwolf posted:

HMM plZ meet in scum doc rn thnx

This is meta because they ARE actually in a scum doc together

It said so in my role pm, whoops

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


Byers2142 posted:

Yes, shoot the claimed doctor, that's a great idea, Sand!

I'd ask you who you'd shoot but the only person you are willing to talk about is Ecco!!

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


Byers2142 posted:

Yes, shoot the claimed doctor, that's a great idea, Sand!

I'd ask you who you'd shoot but the only person you are willing to talk about is Ecco!!

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now

Abyssal Squid posted:

And if he somehow survives the night then yeah that's probably due to a scum doctor, good news he's confirmed as scum.
He's already scum Abyssal. His survival or not shouldn't reflect his alignment in any way. It's his actions that matter.

Abyssal Squid
Jul 24, 2003

EccoRaven posted:

Except he can protect himself apparently, so that's not really assured at all.

if doctors can self-protect repeatedly, then the game setup is broken and the whole game is a formality. :I

CapitalistPig
Nov 3, 2005

A Winner is you!
Double post = scum tactic

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

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EccoRaven posted:

Hey hey hey hey hey hey hey guys

It's a two scumteam game.

Giving each scumteam a doctor makes a lot of sense.

You know what kind of doctor wouldn't protect a claimed town watcher? A scum doctor who is more concerned with his own survival over the town's!

And that's assuming he's not actually just totally fakeclaiming to draw out a counterclaim!

This seems like a bit of a stretch. A doctor on a team of 2? Literally half the team is immune to nightkills at any given moment.

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


AnonymousNarcotics posted:

If you were town, why would you want the doc dead?

Sandwolf and Ecco are scum, guys.

*bashes head against wall*

CapitalistPig
Nov 3, 2005

A Winner is you!

Sandwolf posted:

*bashes head against wall*

Scum tell

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

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AnonymousNarcotics posted:

If you were town, why would you want the doc dead?

Sandwolf and Ecco are scum, guys.

##vote AnonymousNarcotics

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

Sandwolf posted:

I'd ask you who you'd shoot but the only person you are willing to talk about is Ecco!!

I'd shoot Ecco and vote one of Opop, CPig, or Gabe. I've talked about all three today, I just won't vote anyone but Ecco.

CapitalistPig
Nov 3, 2005

A Winner is you!

Gabriel Pope posted:

##vote AnonymousNarcotics

dumb vote, stop it and vote ecco.

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


Byers2142 posted:

I'd shoot Ecco and vote one of Opop, CPig, or Gabe. I've talked about all three today, I just won't vote anyone but Ecco.

Why Gabe?

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

Gabriel Pope posted:

This seems like a bit of a stretch. A doctor on a team of 2? Literally half the team is immune to nightkills at any given moment.

Game expanded from 15 to 19, I guarantee it's two three-person teams.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

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Don't want to risk lynching a (terrible) doctor, but if he is scum, his scumbuddies are still fair game.

CapitalistPig
Nov 3, 2005

A Winner is you!

Sandwolf posted:

Why Gabe?

Scum tell

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now

AnonymousNarcotics posted:

If you were town, why would you want the doc dead?

Look at how he is playing and the choices he's made.

EVEN IF he's a doctor, his choices don't reflect someone trying to help the town, but rather someone trying to ensure their own survival. Considering we know it's a two scumteam setup, it actually makes sense there'd be a scum doctor.

His claim doesn't confirm him in any way, and actually strongly suggests he's lying.

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


I would also be happy to lynch CPig who seems to have totally regressed to his original way of playing mafia, i.e. badly

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now

Gabriel Pope posted:

This seems like a bit of a stretch. A doctor on a team of 2? Literally half the team is immune to nightkills at any given moment.

:raise: How do you know it's a 2-person team? It's 19 players, I'd expect three or four per team.

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

Sandwolf posted:

Why Gabe?

First,

Byers2142 posted:

Gabe; he tried to keep pushing on the "you don't know what a boon is?" train even after EXAKT's mistake was pointed out, and that "Now I'm not saying I'm confirmed town here" aside in his big post was over the tope. I think it was a newbie scum mistake. I also think he's scumbros with Ecco, but the rest stands without Ecco being scum.

Second, assume you know I'm town. Assume Ecco flips scum. Read Gabe's posts. That's why.

CapitalistPig
Nov 3, 2005

A Winner is you!

Sandwolf posted:

I would also be happy to lynch CPig who seems to have totally regressed to his original way of playing mafia, i.e. badly

This is fine too I just want the loving torture of this day to end.

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now

Byers2142 posted:

Second, assume you know I'm town. Assume Ecco flips scum. Read Gabe's posts. That's why.

"Everyone who agrees with me is town, everyone who disagrees is scum."

Your posting is terrible. There is no way someone has this little self-awareness.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

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Byers2142 posted:

Game expanded from 15 to 19, I guarantee it's two three-person teams.

If there's that many scum, giving them doctors just seems unfair :/

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now

Gabriel Pope posted:

If there's that many scum, giving them doctors just seems unfair :/

Not really? I once ran a 15 player game with two scumteams each with 3 players. One team had nothing but "active" roles (roleblocker, doctor), the other had passive (bulletproof, godfather).

In games with two scumteams you make them expecting scum to cross-kill. Giving the team a doctor lets them try to anticipate any kills and give them a way to stave off accidentally losing most of their team by the start of day 2.

CapitalistPig
Nov 3, 2005

A Winner is you!
Its bizzare to me why ecco is not dead yet.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe

EccoRaven posted:

:raise: How do you know it's a 2-person team? It's 19 players, I'd expect three or four per team.

That's what the Fire and Ice setup was made for. I didn't realize how few players were in the original, I just figured it included a high ratio of town:scum to help balance out the effects of having two nightkills.

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


CapitalistPig posted:

This is fine too I just want the loving torture of this day to end.

Turns out we've been on the same side this whole time.

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

EccoRaven posted:

"Everyone who agrees with me is town, everyone who disagrees is scum."

Your posting is terrible. There is no way someone has this little self-awareness.

That's not what I said; Gabe's been over the top in his posting to paint me as scum and you as town. You're putting words into my mouth in an attempt to discredit me.

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


CapitalistPig posted:

Its bizzare to me why ecco is not dead yet.

This, but Byers.

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now
The only reason I bring up the setup spec is because scum doctor is an uncommon role, and we'd need a good reason to seriously suspect one. The setup is a good reason - it's very plausible the scum would have a doctor.

Byers's play doesn't line up with a town doctor. It lines up better with a scum doctor.

And, of course, this is assuming he isn't totally pulling this out of the air, since as I already said the scum almost certainly have fakeclaims :eng101:

CapitalistPig
Nov 3, 2005

A Winner is you!

Sandwolf posted:

Turns out we've been on the same side this whole time.

ok lets vote each other then

##vote sandwolf

AnonymousNarcotics
Aug 6, 2012

we will go far into the sea
you will take me
onto your back
never look back
never look back

CapitalistPig posted:

Its bizzare to me why ecco is not dead yet.

I agree.

##vote Ecco

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now

Byers2142 posted:

You're putting words into my mouth in an attempt to discredit me.
Honey you do a fine enough job of that on your own.


I'm going to go make lunch, I'll be back in a few hours. Vote byers

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


CapitalistPig posted:

ok lets vote each other then

##vote sandwolf

I'd be willing to try it out

##vote CPig

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now

Why?

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CapitalistPig
Nov 3, 2005

A Winner is you!

Sandwolf posted:

I'd be willing to try it out

##vote CPig

Lets make a pact to ONLY vote for each other for as long as we can the entire game.

:pinkyswear:

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