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Rascyc posted:That your case is grounded in thread manipulation, and you are taking it personally, and that you are the one that painted Lumpens post as ammo against newbies. Thread manipulation: blacknyte posted:How unbelievable is the scale here? I'm talking about a set of four posts that show transparently obvious attempts at manipulating thread discussion. This isn't some convoluted theory. blacknyte posted:You are implying that I reacted emotionally to your vote, which I did not. You again do that in this post by saying I am playing defensively when it is pretty clear that I believe you are scummy and have a case and vote that supports that opinion. Paintings Lumpens post as ammo against newbies? What even are you saying here? What is the criticism?
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I cased Lumpen by saying that he was attempting to force the two newest players in the thread to make reads that would be gobbled up by the rest of the thread as awkward. It's pretty simple. What painting did I do? I made a case and a vote.
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I'm going to step away from the thread for awhile. Rascyc looks really scummy from this exchange to me. He is taking steps to misrepresent what I've done to try to make me look scummy. I may vote Rascyc when I get back but will reread with a fresh mind - this particular discussion frustrated me to the point where I need to step away.
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I'll answer later when I get some more time. Time is money! I don't even remember that second response, if I missed a post then MB. Looks like it is from the start of the game though.
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Feb 20, 2015 17:57
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blacknyte posted:I'm going to step away from the thread for awhile. Rascyc looks really scummy from this exchange to me. He is taking steps to misrepresent what I've done to try to make me look scummy. I may vote Rascyc when I get back but will reread with a fresh mind - this particular discussion frustrated me to the point where I need to step away.
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Anidav posted:I fully agree with Lumpen, he's merely doing a common type of poking. Even though I know none of the posters here, I do know exactly what he's trying to do and atleast for now; is a pretty bread and butter town move. Okay, I still immensely dislike this sentence. Pro-town moves, especially D1, should not dictate alignment opinion. Like every time I read this sentence I think to myself 'If Lumpen is scum or if Lumpen is town, Anidav's still sounds like a scumpost.' Antivehicular posted:In Mountain Goats, I got a ton of poo poo for too much equivocating/not being firm enough in my casing. (You can check that too! The post that you quoted as good town play got called so scummy in that game.) I assumed the local meta meant I should be firmer, so I gave it a try, and apparently that read scummy too? I like Antitotatllytubular's response to Rascyc here. It's measured and reasonable and feels like the kind of thing a new player would pay special attention to. blacknyte posted:My gut felt better about the MMT case after writing it out and thinking about it a bit, but that doesn't mean I don't think Lumpen is scum still. Blacknyte where else have you played, mafia? And for how long? More on Blacknyte below. ___ Null on Bowmore, it's all empty posting so far. Null on EXAKT, it's all empty posting so far. Lumpen posted:This is data. It doesn't establish a strong argument for alignment for any of them at this point, but it is valuable data to establish the kind of players they are, and as flips happen, it will be valuable data for constructing meta expectations for future games. And I wholly disagree with the premise that the response a new player gives you based off one vote on d1 is indicative of the kind of players they are. The way they post in general is informative enough given the way they flip. Why did you personally insist on grandstanding? Murmur Twin posted:The firm insistance that the thing that generated the most discussion is anti-town, plus attempts to discredit my case, feel more fake than wrong. That's where the vote came from. Murmur Twin posted:I just find the idea that people think Lumpen was actually trying to get the new players lynched at the start of D1 to be crazy. Even if he was scum, and even if he didn't change his vote to Somber once discussion started, why would he do that? Even though I disagree with Murmur I like the way that she considers that things that don't make sense to her, shouldn't make sense to town in general. Opopanax posted:##vote somber I have decided that his behaviour is, in fact, scummy. The nose knows Opop is confirmed town.  Rascyc posted:But I hate AntiV's post more because he doesn't actually explain a thing and just cusses. I disagreed with this at the time. Half the cussing in AntiV's post involved a Room reference. I thought it spoke to AntiV being unstressed and playing well in joke-phase. Rascyc posted:You are not silly. I disagree with the case, I think I said so earlier. Rascyc posted:Junk at this point, the original one was better. Now it just seems you have an agenda. Rascyc, how could you think someone had a good case, but disagree with it? And how could you disagree with someone's good case, but not think they're scummy? I personally didn't see a contradiction in what Lumpen did (i.e. the thing everyone thought was a good case) but immediately thought to myself that Blacknyte was scummy because it was a follow-up to his first case, an after-thought, as if he decided Lumpen was scummy and then went looking for reasons. Sandwolf posted:##vote Lumpen Sandwolf posted:I disagree? In my years playing this game I've seen some rampant thread manipulation. I don't think Lumpen is doing that, but it's just something good to be aware of. These come from a town mindset. They're full of content and the timing of making them is very townie. ____ Null on Somber. The second time I'm doing this in two games. It's a pattern. (truthfully, the way i read somber is impossible to do on d1 so I don't even try). I like that he's agreeing with me a lot.
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blacknyte posted:No, you could be defending your scum buddy or you could be talking negatively about the vote leader in an attempt to distance yourself the lynch when it happens. Lumpen's alignment is irrelevant to my case on you. When you say I "could be" doing those things, is there something that makes you specifically think I'm more likely to be scum (as opposed to town who genuinely thinks Somber is acting scummy and Lumpen isn't)? Rascyc posted:I am feeling pretty sure BlackN is starting to reveal is scum inner self because he is resisting actually answering criticisms to his "best case". He is also openly not scum hunting and doubling down on a narrative he built from Lumpen's original post. On one hand, I feel like if he were scum, it would be an odd choice to go from casing Lumpen (a vote leader) to me (no other votes). It makes me think that he genuinely thinks that I'm scum. On the other, the extreme defensiveness at being prodded is suspicious, as is the complete refusal to even ponder that possibility that maybe Lumpen is town. I think Somber or Lumpen would make the most sense as a lunch target as their flips would provide the most context for other peoples' votes.
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Ernie. posted:oh a lot happened while i was doing that Hah, I just had the same reaction after making my post.
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quote:Rascyc, how could you think someone had a good case, but disagree with it? And how could you disagree with someone's good case, but not think they're scummy? It is like a scum who cased someone on believable grounds but have no where else to go with it. A real town would probably at least ask why would I consider Lumpen town or something peripheral to the case, or why I think anything I do. Instead he has gone combative and frustrated. He lacks curiosity!  Okay now I really do need to do work.
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Murmur Twin posted:I think Somber or Lumpen would make the most sense as a lunch target as their flips would provide the most context for other peoples' votes. Even though Opop put his nose behind Somber, I don't feel like going after Somber today. Somber's always a stronger player later in the game, and he hasn't had a chance to actually play today. Of course as I say this I realize Somber is at -2. Literally what the gently caress. Rascyc posted:His newest scum read is to read the guy criticizing his case. I don't think so. Fact is he was voting Lumpen, and then unvoted to go for MMT. I can see why you laughing off his voting MMT can seem like you're misrepresenting him. That said, I'm extremely extremely uncomfortable with how many votes are on Somber right now. I was thinking to myself earlier today that if Lumpen were scum I'd expect more resistance from his team since he's a strong player, but I feel like the scum are just dogpiling on Somber at this point.
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Feb 20, 2015 18:15
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Feb 20, 2015 18:17
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Lumpen posted:Do you think he'll flip Scum? Lumpen posted:blacknyte, if you are Town, you seem to have fallen into a tunnel. I suggest you re-evaluate your premises. Lumpen asking other people to stop parking their votes while his vote is parked on Somber...
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Ernie. posted:Even though Opop put his nose behind Somber, I don't feel like going after Somber today. Somber's always a stronger player later in the game, and he hasn't had a chance to actually play today. That's a strange reason not to vote someone
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Ernie. posted:Lumpen asking other people to stop parking their votes while his vote is parked on Somber...
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Feb 20, 2015 18:24
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Ernie. posted:Does EXAKT Science have a double vote? Why have they voted Somber? I forgot EXAKT was in this game until you posted this! EXAKT Science posted:Can I just say that I am super annoyed that jokephase is over already? Why does day 1 need to be so serious? Because Mafia is fun  Have any of your opinions evolved in the last few pages of discussion?
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Feb 20, 2015 18:25
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I find it really interesting how polarized this D1 is, some clear lines have arisen with the sides dug in and professing points of view that the opposing sides can't seem to even fathom. Time to make a List
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Feb 20, 2015 18:27
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Opopanax posted:That's a strange reason not to vote someone It's the same reason I've always adopted when not voting for someone having an emotional reaction. Is it really strange? And it's the same reason I'm asking people to unvote Somber.
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Ernie. posted:Does EXAKT Science have a double vote? Why have they voted Somber?  Thanks for this catch. It appears that it was a votefinder error from them voting someone who is not in the game. Play on. 
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Just putting it out there that I'm growing more suspicious of Anidav. He made sure to let us know that he wouldn't be around (as I mentioned in an earlier case on him) and that his vote on Somber was there to put pressure on him. He mentioned the cyclone which is obviously a justifiable reason to be offline...Anidav posted:I fully agree with Lumpen, he's merely doing a common type of poking. Even though I know none of the posters here, I do know exactly what he's trying to do and atleast for now; is a pretty bread and butter town move. ...but I checked his post history (more out of "is he ok?" than anything else) and saw that he's made a few posts in other threads since his last post in here. This makes me question (a) his making sure we knew that he wouldn't be here, (b) his leaving his vote on Somber, and (c) his not looking for other cases. I have Anidav, EXAKT, and Sandwolf as people who I am suspicious of and would like to hear more from.
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Note to self when I check this tonight: reread mt/bn posts cause I missed them I think. I doubt I'll be around much tomorrow jfyi
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Feb 20, 2015 18:55
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@mt Andi is in a cyclone condition iirc, check up thread
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Feb 20, 2015 18:56
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Rascyc posted:@mt I was just pointing out that it hasn't stopped him from posting elsewhere, is all. (I feel like an rear end in a top hat pursuing this line of logic to be honest, but did notice it and wanted to point it out).
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Feb 20, 2015 18:58
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Ernie. posted:It's the same reason I've always adopted when not voting for someone having an emotional reaction. Is it really strange? I don't really understand it though. How has somber not had a chance yet?
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Feb 20, 2015 18:58
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Lumpen posted:Totally Town Why is MMT in your totally town box?
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Yeah, Lumpen, can we get some further analysis on your reads? I can see where you're coming from, even if it leans a little too much on the OMGUS axis of "who's been giving me poo poo?", but I'd like to know specifics on your convictions re: Ras and MMT. I'm not getting completely town feelings off of MMT, especially given the point mentioned earlier about how she was carefully dancing around actually calling Somber scum.
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Feb 20, 2015 21:04
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blacknyte posted:Why is MMT in your totally town box?
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Ras and MMT are both posting the most clear, sincere, well-reasoned posts in the game. That they are agreeing with me and that I know I am Town helps. However, I don't see either of them as potentially buddying up or sucking up to me, which could cloud my judgment, I just see them as both being on the right track and eminently sensible.
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Antivehicular posted:I'm not getting completely town feelings off of MMT, especially given the point mentioned earlier about how she was carefully dancing around actually calling Somber scum. I'll ask you the same thing I asked Somber when he pointed that out - Murmur Twin posted:I thought the fact that I was explaining why I thought your behavior was anti-town followed by vote spoke for itself, but in the event that it didn't: I believe that you are scum.
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Lumpen posted:Ras and MMT are both posting the most clear, sincere, well-reasoned posts in the game. That they are agreeing with me and that I know I am Town helps. However, I don't see either of them as potentially buddying up or sucking up to me, which could cloud my judgment, I just see them as both being on the right track and eminently sensible. What do you think about Rascyc's numerous misrepresentations of my play in the exchange that happened earlier today?
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Of course your argument is less valid if you're not calling me scum. You keep saying pro-town and anti-town, but the difference there is that those behaviors don't necessarily directly correlate to alignment. Right now I'm sitting out of the thread because I don't feel like engaging or trying to push. Is that behavior anti-town? Yep. Am I town? Yep.
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I don't understand how Lumpen has read anything into Bowmore or EXAKT.
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Feb 20, 2015 22:10
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blacknyte posted:What do you think about Rascyc's numerous misrepresentations of my play in the exchange that happened earlier today? Well I think Rascyc is full of poo poo and intentionally obfuscating issues. Like the direct antagonism towards you is not helpful behavior and I have no idea how you could construe it as such.
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Opopanax posted:I don't really understand it though. How has somber not had a chance yet? I feel like Somber's just not into the game. It's independent of alignment. Yes, everyone else is participating or have had ample time to provide content, but I have a reason to not vote Somber and that's because I want to be nice. You don't have to do it. But if we're going to go down the path of 'not participating is scummy' then I want valid reasons for why EXAKT and Bowmore get a pass.
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Ernie. posted:I feel like Somber's just not into the game. It's independent of alignment. Yes, everyone else is participating or have had ample time to provide content, but I have a reason to not vote Somber and that's because I want to be nice. You don't have to do it. But if we're going to go down the path of 'not participating is scummy' then I want valid reasons for why EXAKT and Bowmore get a pass. If you look at the three somber posts where it's clear that he's trying, I think they sound like genuine scum hunting.
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Somberbrero posted:His behavior is anti-town and he should be dunked. For example, this post rings genuine to me.
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Somberbrero posted:Well I think Rascyc is full of poo poo and intentionally obfuscating issues. Like the direct antagonism towards you is not helpful behavior and I have no idea how you could construe it as such. I agree. I think I'd vote Rascyc at this point as well. Actually, my list would be the complete inverse of the poles of Lumpen's list.
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