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Wait, why is putting Wrestlemania on NBC so out there? I mean Wrestlemania did air, albeit heavily abridged, on NBC last August, and did fine. I don't think Wrestlemania is the right choice, since Wrestlemania is really what sells the network, but putting something like Summerslam (or a SNME hyping Summerslam) on TV during the dead zone of a Saturday/Sunday in the summer against a bunch of Wipeout! re-runs or whatever seems like a pretty good idea, because otherwise it's hard to get out and reach people outside your Cable TV bubble. Although that article is pretty terrible. I like the Masked Man fine, but he can sometimes come off like a first-year professor.
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Well other than getting 4 hours of prime time tv on NBC would be nigh on impossible, the advertising revenue would be slashed to pieces, you would lose the money from those who still buy PPV and NBC has absolutely no desire to do so, the other problem is that any match that went more than 12 minutes would have an ad break. It's not really worth the money for NBC to do it, the returns they would get wouldn't be worth it when they can put up relatively inexpensive tv that appeases their core audience and advertising partners.
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Feb 22, 2015 01:45
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NBC should air SmackDown on basic television instead of Syfy, it's the only way they'd get viewers on a Thursday evening 
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Feb 22, 2015 01:56
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NBC would probably get better ratings if they gave up trying to create new hits and just aired Friends/Seinfeld reruns on Thursday nights
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Feb 22, 2015 01:58
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In all seriousness, Smackdown can consistently draw in two and a half million viewers, on basic cable. There are some NBC comedies – Community included – that struggled to get that in a Thursday NBC slot.
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Feb 22, 2015 02:05
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TV obviously isn't a perfectly logical world either, there's some weird poo poo. Last year FOX spent $50 million to set up and produce Utopia, a reality show no one watched that did nothing new or special. That kind of dipshit gamble from a network is probably the most likely path to a real #2 USA wrestling promotion.
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Feb 22, 2015 02:20
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laz0rbeak posted:Wait, why is putting Wrestlemania on NBC so out there? I mean Wrestlemania did air, albeit heavily abridged, on NBC last August, and did fine. I don't think Wrestlemania is the right choice, since Wrestlemania is really what sells the network, but putting something like Summerslam (or a SNME hyping Summerslam) on TV during the dead zone of a Saturday/Sunday in the summer against a bunch of Wipeout! re-runs or whatever seems like a pretty good idea, because otherwise it's hard to get out and reach people outside your Cable TV bubble. First of all those reruns do abysmal ratings even for NBC. Second, they are just a remnant of the old contract and the Saturday Night's Main Event slots they were promised. Those bombed so badly they became the WM replay and Tribute to the Troops and have stuck around. For The Network to perform the way WWE wants it to this year Wrestlemania will bring in at least $15 million in revenue on the Network plus whatever it gets on PPV. Probably $20-25 million total. No Network is going to pay $25 million for Wrestlemania. None. Fox pays a few million for the UFC Fox Specials that bring many multiples the ad revenue of WWE. That's why it's out there. They'd have to pay 10 times what Fox is paying for UFC just for WWE to break even on the proposition. As for the other PPVs, well those are going to bring in fewer viewers but are still worth a lot of revenue to WWE. Each episode of Raw is worth something like 2 million dollars to USA, are they going to pay 12-15 million for Summerslam? No way. Sanguinia posted:Also let's reiterate a point I made in some other post that I can't go to any store without seeing something branded with Duck Dynasty, a show literally about rednecks dicking around while avoiding running their loving DUCK CALL BUSINESS. And also Honey Boo Boo's riveting toenail based programming. But we can't put advertisements on a pro wrestling show because that would make us look low-brow. Duck Dynasty was drawing twice the viewership of Raw and shared some advertisers with WWE. Honey Boo Boo's demos skew more female, I have no idea why you'd bring either up. Yes both look white trash, both have different reasons to appeal to advertisers than WWE and I don't remember a lot of top dollar sponsors being named when the Duck Dynasty boycotts were being called for.
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Feb 22, 2015 02:29
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MassRafTer posted:They are willing to support that product. Historically wrestling fans haven't even been seen as a giant boon for networks trying to get people to tune into other programs. One of the rare exceptions was The Ultimate Fighter. That's one reason why it's rarely been used as a lead in to other original programming. People who watch Raw are a really peculiar breed. Even if there were signs they want to support other things, brands don't want to be seen as low class even if they are cheap. When TV Networks, surveys and advertisers all view an audience as worthless maybe it really is worthless? It's ok to admit you are trash, I already know I am. I would say Coors Light in particular is as obsessed as Vince is with proving they aren't cheap or low-class.
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Rovert, I feel like I hate you because in my mind you just follow wrestlers's twitters/reddit/Observer etc all day. I want to get to like you. What do you do for a living? What's your life like? I just want to humanize you in my mind, because I only see you as a wrestling aggregator bot. You can even provide your first name if you like. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 22, 2015 04:25
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I like that people are still (in the year 2015 even) under the impression wrestling can easily find TV homes. They couldn't even give away Smackdown to a station bigger than SyFy, and Main Event sunk away from US TV in record time. The #2 company last year couldn't negotiate to a bigger home than Discovery's 3rd-string channel.
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Sanguinia posted:Even if we believe the statistical data on this, it seems like such a stupid reason to not want to advertise with them. What are the two biggest cash cows of professional football? Cars and beer. Incorrect, it's pharmaceuticals and pharmaceuticals.
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Chris James 2 posted:They couldn't even give away Smackdown to a station bigger than SyFy, and Main Event sunk away from US TV in record time. The #2 company last year couldn't negotiate to a bigger home than Discovery's 3rd-string channel. ROH wasn't looking for a new station last year.
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MassRafTer posted:First of all those reruns do abysmal ratings even for NBC. Second, they are just a remnant of the old contract and the Saturday Night's Main Event slots they were promised. Those bombed so badly they became the WM replay and Tribute to the Troops and have stuck around. It's stupid hair-splitting because again, I am not endorsing Wrestlemania live on NBC, but no, that August show didn't do "abysmal" ratings. It was carried by pre-season football, but won the night in the 18-49 demo and finished second overall to the grandparents watching 60 minutes. I know that comes with the asterisk that it was in the dead zone of early August, but that's kind of my point; WWE could put something on broadcast TV during the summer doldrums and probably get some interest from people that aren't watching USA every week.
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laz0rbeak posted:It's stupid hair-splitting because again, I am not endorsing Wrestlemania live on NBC, but no, that August show didn't do "abysmal" ratings. It was carried by pre-season football, but won the night in the 18-49 demo and finished second overall to the grandparents watching 60 minutes. I know that comes with the asterisk that it was in the dead zone of early August, but that's kind of my point; WWE could put something on broadcast TV during the summer doldrums and probably get some interest from people that aren't watching USA every week. Those numbers were skewed, the initial numbers that came out were weighted wrong, the show did a 1.5 and 2.5 million viewers. If that was still #1 for the night, huzzah I guess? The year before it did a terrible rating with a half million fewer viewers and traditionally that show and Tribute to the Troops do poorly. Yeah, they could put something on but these are just shows they have to put on as part of a bigger contract they are barely paying anything for them. They aren't going to pay seven figures for a PPV and anything less than that is going to die on NBC like the SNMEs did.
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quote:I can forgive RAW crowds for sucking due to the constant talking segments, recaps, and general repetitiveness. But that was a perfectly good wrestling PPV show and the crowd just wasn't into it from start to finish. quote:If you get given poo poo than you give them nothing. This show was loving garbage and you can't expect them to react. I mean goddamn people complained about the Rumble crowd and now you're complaining, it's not the crowds job to get themselves excited. quote:I don't know what planet you are living on where that was a 'garbage' show. The Tag Title match, the US Title match, and the main event were all really good/great, with everything else being solid or otherwise short. It's not like it was TLC where they threw Big Show and Rowan out there for 10 minutes in an abortion of a match. Some guy on another forum complaining about the dead crowd at Fastlane. Second quote is me and the third quote is him again. Testekill fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Feb 23, 2015 |
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Feb 23, 2015 05:16
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Testekill posted:Some guy on another forum complaining about the dead crowd. Yeah, how dare the crowd die early when they had something as hot as that plucky up-and-comer Kane picking up a clean pinfall over Dolph Ziggler?
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Feb 23, 2015 05:18
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It's also not a crowd's job to get into a good match just because of good wrestling, they have to be given a reason to care about who's in the ring, either through good stories or good booking or important titles. Nothing in the build has made anyone care, therefore deadness.
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who reported Bryan winning? it certainly wasn't metsfan's source, betting odds
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WeaponX posted:who reported Bryan winning? it certainly wasn't metsfan's source, betting odds I don't know of anyone who did. I just love the idea that correctly predicting Roman Reigns would win proves his credibility.
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OctoberCountry posted:I don't know of anyone who did. I just love the idea that correctly predicting Roman Reigns would win proves his credibility. those clowns took the time to make an actual spreadsheet on him to "prove his credibility". don't expect much from that crew.
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At the time he 100% guaranteed a Reigns win, that win was a forgone conclusion, and only after was there talk of plans changing to make the previously ruled-out triple threat a possibility. Clearly plans changed again since then, but at no point did Metsfan make any sort of bold prediction that would require anything other than just thinkin what the likely outcome would be. So yeah, that people are taking this as proof of anything is hilarious.
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some jagoff from the spoony experiment forums on AJ's recent twitter comments posted:But, are they getting paid the same for the amount of screentime they get that the men would in a similar situation? (I realize that they're not paid by the hour or anything even remotely like that. Just asking a question based on proportions) Wow this is some top tier bullshit
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Feb 25, 2015 03:10
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Ah yes, pro wrestling is a meritocracy. Gotta earn your spot, brother. (books Kane to pin Dolph Ziggler clean in the year 2015)
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It wasn't clean, Big Show hit him as a cheap shot while he was the ineligable man.
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Feb 25, 2015 03:15
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And Adam Rose, the man who does one move and pins jobbers, takes more bumps/risks than Nikki Bella, who does one move and pins jobbers...
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Ribsauce posted:It wasn't clean, Big Show hit him as a cheap shot while he was the ineligable man.  Yes, because this punch looks like it had so much impact.
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Testekill posted:
You don't get it. Big Show's punches are so powerful that even a slow jab with no momentum is an instant KO. Yet somehow Big Show is not wwe champ for life somehow
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Blast Fantasto posted:You don't get it. Big Show's punches are so powerful that even a slow jab with no momentum is an instant KO. as far as I can tell, his main issue is that he often forgets that he can punch people until 15-20 minutes into a match
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Feb 25, 2015 03:25
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You know my point you jerks 
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abraham linksys posted:as far as I can tell, his main issue is that he often forgets that he can punch people until 15-20 minutes into a match He's afraid of his own strength. Like that time he threw Austin through the cage during his debut at St. Valentine's Day Massacre. Or that other time he chokeslammed JBL through the ring in the barbed wire cage match and lost his title shot.
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ayn rand hand job posted:He's afraid of his own strength. considering one of the rules in the WWE is that you can get DQed for kicking too much rear end, I suppose I can see why he would be so worried to just throw out those punches 
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To be fair, any sane system would pay those who take the more dangerous bumps more. Honestly the NXT girls on merit of pure working, deserve much more money than most if not all of the main roster. It's a circular system of justification though, Women don't work as hard as men (because they have less and shorter matches) ergo don't deserve the same pay as the men, BUT they book the matches in which the women compete, so that's of their own making. Obviously if Nikki Bella and Cameron put on a 40 minute match in the usual Undertaker Slot at Wrestlemania... well... sorry I had a train of thought but I completely lost it after imagining that match. Of course, if AJ doesn't think she's being paid for equivalent work of her male counterparts, then she can bring it before a court of law. That's illegal (well, probably gotten around with Independent contracts) under the Fair Wage act. Although I'm sure there's a loophole of some sort in her contract. All I know is I really don't want to be the one to crack open this cthulhuesque can of worms in deciphering how that all actually works. Heck I don't even know how much the girls make. But ya know, so long as no one starts complaining they should be making Cena money, Mostly because I don't think the WWE even has that kind of money.
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I like that one of Show's normal moves is just destroying guys with body shots that look way stiffer than his KO punch you'd think every match would end with his opponent dead from internal bleeding but it's pro wrestling so they completely no sell them most of the time
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Feb 25, 2015 04:48
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Body shots only work against Brock Lesnar
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Feb 25, 2015 04:51
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Ribsauce posted:It wasn't clean, Big Show hit him as a cheap shot while he was the ineligable man. I mean I've seen plenty of double team move finishes when someone was ineligable.
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HulkaMatt posted:I mean I've seen plenty of double team move finishes when someone was ineligable. 3D!3D!3D!3D!3D!3D!3D! 3D!3D!3D!3D!3D!3D!3D!3D! 3D!3D!3D!3D!3D!3D!3D!
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Shine posted:3D!3D!3D!3D!3D!3D!3D! That is the most perfect text representation of a wrestling crowd reaction I've ever seen.
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Shine posted:3D!3D!3D!3D!3D!3D!3D! Fabulous
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