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actually is that even possible now? I don't think that giving merk or Mills a kill is hugely helpful Trill. If they're town then they'll probably hit town anyway and I dunno if that would exactly be helpful to case-making.
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Any way you look at it you have two uninformed d1 kills. I'd rather they both give information about who has scummy reasoning. That is why PMom's way is the absolute worst.
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Feb 25, 2015 16:53
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We're seeing the first flip before we decide on who to dunk! The second kill is not uninformed.
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Feb 25, 2015 16:54
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Somberbrero posted:Hi give me the kill please. Sure! If everyone arms me I'll certainly give somber the kill!
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Feb 25, 2015 16:55
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True and Real posted:Any way you look at it you have two uninformed d1 kills. I'd rather they both give information about who has scummy reasoning. That is why PMom's way is the absolute worst. Don't you think that using the gun in a majority-rules fashion (requiring people to actively state who they want to shoot) is better than giving it to one person who either (a) doesn't know who scum is or (b) is scum themselves?
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Feb 25, 2015 17:01
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People can shittily explain their reasoning as ever. Who they choose to shoot is interesting.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:03
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Pinterest Mom posted:Arming someone without knowing that they'll do is anti-town. This is wrong.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:04
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Somberbrero posted:Hi give me the kill please. Sure, ##arm somb.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:05
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Murmur Twin posted:Don't you think that using the gun in a majority-rules fashion (requiring people to actively state who they want to shoot) is better than giving it to one person who either (a) doesn't know who scum is or (b) is scum themselves? Using the gun in a majority-rules fashion gives us more information, but not as strong information as having the player who is given the gun use it however the hell they see fit. I'd rather learn strong information about the player given the gun. We also don't have enough time to use the gun in a quality majority fashion and then get out a quality majority-based lynch. It would be the best possible scenario for us to get someone the gun in like the next six hours, talk about what that person should do for an hour or so, and then have that person fire a shot. After that happens, we can use the information to help drive today's lynch until the deadline.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:07
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The gun is being given tonight at 8 PM EST, in nine hours, there's no provision in the rules Byers posted for it to be given earlier.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:09
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Pinterest Mom posted:The gun is being given tonight at 8 PM EST, in nine hours, there's no provision in the rules Byers posted for it to be given earlier. Oh, welp. I thought it was majority for some reason. Give the gun to me. I will use it in the most pro-town manner which everyone can probably agree. You also might learn something about my alignment based on what I do. I promise that I will not fire off a shot with a  and no case. I will build as large and in depth as possible of a case on someone and fire the shot in the same post. I also will do this probably 1-2 hours after receiving the gun, depending on my evening availability.Give into my new attempt at playing mafia. Let me swing for the fences with this vig and a case.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:22
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Murmur Twin posted:Don't you think that using the gun in a majority-rules fashion (requiring people to actively state who they want to shoot) is better than giving it to one person who either (a) doesn't know who scum is or (b) is scum themselves? MMT is confirmed town, because this is exactly how I feel as well. It seems like a lot of people are being hypocritical about this. If you believe that we should always lunch D1, for information, then a double lunch is double the information. Believing that people can explain away any vote is fundamentally at odds with believing you can catch scum.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:24
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Ernie. posted:MMT is confirmed town, because this is exactly how I feel as well. Deeeefinitely isn't. The lynch is most likely to help scum d1. There is a reason lights out and double lynch d1s are never, ever, EVER put in games.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:33
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D1 vig is common, though, because it effectively shortens true d1.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:34
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Diqnol, why haven't you voted to give me the gun?
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Feb 25, 2015 17:35
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I think Mills is a tougher read. You're my second choice.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:35
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Ernie. posted:MMT is confirmed town, because this is exactly how I feel as well. :hi5: I don't understand the sentiment that 1 lunch is fundamentally better than both 0 and 2 of them. merk posted:Oh, welp. I thought it was majority for some reason. I don't necessarily like this. If you're town and shoot scum - which is the best case scenario - there's a good case you'd be NK'ed. From there on, the vig didn't really give much information. If you shoot town it becomes difficult to tell if you were wrong or are scum. Why not give me the gun and then make a really good case on someone? That way we get your case, plus data on who agreed with it and who didn't.
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AnonymousNarcotics posted:I'm having trouble believing the argument that grandi is scum. What usually feels scummy to me is when someone gets really defensive and tries to point to someone else immediately as scum. I like this post. It's very well reasoned, it doesn't shift the blame on Pmom (i.e. WELL HE DID A SCUMMY THING I HAD TO VOTE HIM), and it's still light-hearted. Grandicap posted:Oh, I am cool that you are being dismissive of that part. It was meant as a joke. The butt of the joke being my laziness in looking at your previous games. There is no reason for you to lie about something so trivial, that any number of people in this game could call you out about, or any number of people could look up easily. Anyone who reads this post and still gives PMom the gun is something. It's so earnest and it strikes exactly the right balance between being reasonable and being curious that scum are usually too stressed to do. Hal Incandenza posted:Well I am trying to be more active today since I will be travelling tomorrow morning/afternoon and I don't want a repeat of THE BREACH. YOU LIED, HAL merk posted:I will build as large and in depth as possible of a case on someone and fire the shot in the same post. I'm uncomfortable with merk's suggestion here. He makes a provision to use his gun in the scummiest way possible, i.e. allowing himself to manufacture an opinion and kill its target in one post. This post seems too self-reliant to actually be taking the context of the game into account. Mills posted:##vote LM >:\ Pinterest Mom posted:I thought you were suspish, and then your extreme mafia-dadding "oh well that's a good response for a newbie to have" that also served as an eject button from a case that wasn't getting traction made me think you're scum, so that's when I voted. I feel like everything Pin has said in this game has an inventedness air to it. This post especially. It feels like scum who's proud that they're in control of the mood of the game with a good case, reaping the advantages of the attention that's being paid to them as much as possible. Poque posted:so in this case, #arming you is just #voteing grandi. that's not unreasonable. It's pretty much just a shortcut way to do what MT is suggesting. Poque posted:that's plenty of time to decide on two people. Poku's posts are good. They represent the ~true ideals of mafia~ well so I think it'll be difficult to read into them one way or the other. Null tell for now. _____ Null on Somberbrero _____ True and Real posted:I think Pmom is about the worst person to give a gun to, presently. Diqnol is probably very likely town this game. His entire game is based on getting reactions, and only nudging the thread away from PMom is consistent with that. It doesn't restrict the organic reactions the thread would have, but also doesn't give us more information about a known entity at this point (Pmom). Ernie. fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Feb 25, 2015 |
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True and Real posted:I think Mills is a tougher read. You're my second choice. Here is what Mills is going to do: Mills posted:The World's Only Heart Player Good luck getting a read from that.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:42
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True and Real posted:I think Mills is a tougher read. You're my second choice. Mills and Gulag are both equally as easy to read because they have the exact same scum game. (not joking)
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Feb 25, 2015 17:43
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Ernie. posted:Mills and Gulag are both equally as easy to read because they have the exact same scum game. merk posted:Here is what Mills is going to do: I don't think he would. But even if he did, he would be held accountable.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:44
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Ernie. posted:I'm uncomfortable with merk's suggestion here. He makes a provision to use his gun in the scummiest way possible, i.e. allowing himself to manufacture an opinion and kill its target in one post. This is the most pro-town way to use the gun. Not only do you get my decision on who to kill, you get as big of a case as possible of why I chose to kill that player. If I'm wrong, you get to pick apart my case to determine whether I'm wrong because I made up the case. You get immediate results regarding the success or failure of the case that I build. To put it shortly, I'm making a case and then immediately making myself 100% culpable for whatever the results are of that case. How is that scummy of me?
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Feb 25, 2015 17:44
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##vote Ernie -says MMT is confirmed town based on a general mafia argument (that is wrong) -calls me scummy based on a general mafia argument (that is wrong)
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Feb 25, 2015 17:45
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^^ Ernie. hosed around with this message at Feb 25, 2015 around 11:44 uh whoops i had a double quote in there of diqnol's last post because my v button is sticky and pasted twice
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Feb 25, 2015 17:45
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Oh, I had decided not to respond to Ernie but I disagree. Gulag is night and day from scum to town. Mills isn't.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:45
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I'm going to try to step back. If you don't give me the gun, that Ernie case is probably my big case for the day unless I see something better while lurking.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:46
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Ernie didn't change the content of his post at all. Don't modkill him. I wonder why he decided to put his read of me specifically at the end, though.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:46
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merk posted:This is the most pro-town way to use the gun. Not only do you get my decision on who to kill, you get as big of a case as possible of why I chose to kill that player. If I'm wrong, you get to pick apart my case to determine whether I'm wrong because I made up the case. You get immediate results regarding the success or failure of the case that I build. To put it shortly, you're very conscious of how influential you are, and how difficult it is to actually lunch you, as self-quoted you know that you are among the least lunched players in our community. Yet, you insist on using your gun in a way that only harms you. If you don't see how that is a null-tell for you then you're intentionally misrepresenting yourself right now. merk posted:##vote Ernie ##vote merk rodeo time
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Feb 25, 2015 17:47
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merk posted:##vote Ernie This is a more persuasive version of my case.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:47
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True and Real posted:Oh, I had decided not to respond to Ernie but I disagree. Gulag is night and day from scum to town. Mills isn't. When they're scum they both defend their teammates relentlessly. Keep an eye out for it.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:47
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Ernie, why do you think MMT making an argument is indicative of town alignment, whereas me making the same argument (before her, and with more insistence) doesn't even rate a mention?
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Pinterest Mom posted:Ernie, why do you think MMT making an argument is indicative of town alignment, whereas me making the same argument (before her, and with more insistence) doesn't even rate a mention? It wasn't just her one post, but all of them. I disagree with almost all of her casing (I think she's talked about Grandi?) but she's done it in a way that's sincere and easy to follow. On the other hand, I disagree with almost all of your casing, but you've done it based on lines of logic that I don't think are sincere. For example the relentless pursuit of Grandicap because he gave you a pass. Maybe later in the game that would be worth something but on a D1 I feel it's much more likely to be a personality quirk.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:50
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merk posted:This is the most pro-town way to use the gun. Not only do you get my decision on who to kill, you get as big of a case as possible of why I chose to kill that player. If I'm wrong, you get to pick apart my case to determine whether I'm wrong because I made up the case. You get immediate results regarding the success or failure of the case that I build. Why do you need to have the gun to make a big case on someone? I don't see how immediately seeing if it was right or wrong is better than letting people react to what you say.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:50
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Ernie. posted:For example the relentless pursuit of Grandicap because he gave you a pass. That's not why I think Grandi is scum.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Yeah. Isn't this the first post you made explaining your read on Grandi?
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Ernie. posted:^^ Friendly Mod Message Remember not to edit posts. Watch the ninja, he's sneaky and will catch you! Also, to address merk's comments earlier, the gun will be given out at 8 PM tonight, however if the number of people arming a single person hits majority (8), I will distribute the gun early. I'll go back to edit the previous post
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Feb 25, 2015 17:55
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Ernie. posted:When they're scum they both defend their teammates relentlessly. Keep an eye out for it. Agreed. I see your point on MT but I disagree about PM. I don't think he was doing that based on Grandi giving him a pass and I think it's weird that is all you got from him.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:55
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Ernie. posted:To put it shortly, you're very conscious of how influential you are, and how difficult it is to actually lunch you, as self-quoted you know that you are among the least lunched players in our community. Yet, you insist on using your gun in a way that only harms you. If you don't see how that is a null-tell for you then you're intentionally misrepresenting yourself right now. Diqnol and PMom, I want both of your opinions on what I said here.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:55
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No, it's the first post I made explaining my dismissive "yeah okay" post. You'll want to go up four posts in my post history to find the post where I first call grandi scum.
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Ernie. posted:Diqnol and PMom, I want both of your opinions on what I said here. Don't know if I agree or disagree just yet. To put it another way, yeah, I see your angle, but I still think the method merk described is better than PMom's.
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