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Diqnol's explanation explains this post of Mills' that raised an eyebrow when I read it (during Mills scumslipgate):Mills posted:I don't agree with MT. I didn't actually remember my role PM so I had no idea what my faction was called (because who cares once I read the town part) but NATO is obviously a "good force" so it was clear from the flip that Hurt was one of us. "once I read the town part", specifically. My PM doesn't said town anywhere, but "confirmed town masons" or something would explain why Mills didn't pay attention to the precise wording of his alignment.
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Oh, and yeah: my role PM says that it's unclear if there's more than one bad guy team.
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Feb 27, 2015 18:52
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True and Real posted:So MMT could be 3p. Interesting! I don't think so! I think we're all playing against a scum-team of two people. One russian and one corporate. They both have a kill each because my PM tells me MMT and I are charged with finding the person responsible for THE kill. I still win when threats to NATO are gone. Byers has basically trolled us by creating a way for us to know whether one person has two chances to be a nightkiller, or one.
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Feb 27, 2015 18:56
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Byers is a vile troll
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Feb 27, 2015 18:58
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Ernie. posted:I don't think so! is there something else about your role that is specific to the russian? or is it just flavor to justify your role?
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Feb 27, 2015 19:00
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Poque posted:is there something else about your role that is specific to the russian? or is it just flavor to justify your role? i'm told that i personally 'know' who ordered the kill, those damned russians! and that i've worked with an anti-russian operative before (flavor justification for the masonry)
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Feb 27, 2015 19:03
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diqnol ... it's hal now i know what happened in the prequel, but it's hal
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Feb 27, 2015 19:11
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How can you expect me to trust your heart
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Feb 27, 2015 19:11
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he only asked questions when you and i were confirming each other he didn't attempt to say he was doubtful, or wifom the nightkill, or anything else oh no, it's the breach all over again
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Feb 27, 2015 19:14
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Ernie. posted:we don't have a kill, hal I think you are inverting what I mean. I mean there are RUSSIANS and CORPORATES?
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Feb 27, 2015 19:14
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##vote Hal I know, Ernie. But your heart...it's black!
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Feb 27, 2015 19:15
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Ernie. posted:I don't think so! Ah ok... that makes sense too, so you think one of the kills was town vig then?
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Feb 27, 2015 19:16
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Ernie. posted:he only asked questions when you and i were confirming each other What? I am confused
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Feb 27, 2015 19:17
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I feel like I am missing something here
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Feb 27, 2015 19:17
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Hal, basically I don't trust you because I feel like you're downplaying how 'on top of the logic' you are. Like I think you're intentionally feigning confusion because you have no other response in mind. ##vote hal
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Feb 27, 2015 19:19
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Ernie. posted:Hal, basically I don't trust you because I feel like you're downplaying how 'on top of the logic' you are. Like I think you're intentionally feigning confusion because you have no other response in mind. I think you completely misunderstood what I was implying in the beginning. There were two kills. Mills flipped anti-corporate, you claim to be anti-russian, sounds like you both have some power related to different factions. My assumption is that the two kills then were the two factions. Then you seemed to imply I was saying YOU did a kill? That isn't the case. Ughhhhhh
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Feb 27, 2015 19:21
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Hal Incandenza posted:I think you completely misunderstood what I was implying in the beginning. There were two kills. Mills flipped anti-corporate, you claim to be anti-russian, sounds like you both have some power related to different factions. My assumption is that the two kills then were the two factions. I at first misunderstood it that way, Hal! But then understood it the right way around. Either way: Hal Incandenza posted:Ah ok... that makes sense too, so you think one of the kills was town vig then? Hal Incandenza posted:Hmmmm anti-russian and anti-corporate... two scum teams? I personally feel these two posts are very 'SCUM HAL KNOWS EVERYTHING BUT WILL PLAY ALONG WITH FOOLISH TOWN ANYWAY'.
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Feb 27, 2015 19:23
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Ernie. posted:I at first misunderstood it that way, Hal! But then understood it the right way around. Either way: Gee thanks, but it's more TOWN HAL KNOWS NOTHING COMPARED TO ERNIE AND DIQNOL WHO SEEM TO HAVE A LOT MORE INFO
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Murmur Twin posted:Mafia is this neat little microcosm for life where the only way to really improve is to not be afraid to mess up, and to try to make new mistakes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46Kv4rBJi68  Poque posted:that's not what distancing iiiiiiiiiiis I don't think any of those statements were untrue, though. My town read on Mac wasn't really based on his posts, my case was based on how quickly and uncritical people seemed to be with dogpiling on that vote. Look at Mills posted:Let's just turbo Little Mac and start over tomorrow with all the good players. True and Real posted:##vote Little Mac being posted within a minute from each other, followed by Poque posted:Grocery night. Will try to check in. Still like a Mac vote. vote Mac and tell me what makes more sense to you: (a) town cracked the case day 1 and figured out that Mac is scum because he's not posting alot (b) scum wanted to direct the vote to a townie whose vote could be easily rationalized To me it was (b) and I find it hard to believe that that's such a radical opinion. It's entirely possible that I didn't go about expressing that in the best way! I didn't know about the Mills/Diq masonry and I didn't remember what your case was on Mac at the time. Oops. Somber was (and Grandi is becoming) suspicious to me since he seemed to be getting a pass for lurking that Mac/Hurt/Hal weren't getting, and I still have an eye on Merk. Poque posted:I disagree with this. The implication that he would do the funniest thing is that he would shoot himself with the gun, but he never outright comes out and says it. It would be very easy for him to get the gun as scum and then say "no this is what I meant" and shoot somebody else and blame us for misinterpreting his meaning. Combined with the immediate vote for PMom who says he'll shoot Grandi and I don't like Mac. Was this the main case you had on Mac or was there more I was missing?
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Feb 27, 2015 19:59
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That was the case.
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Feb 27, 2015 20:03
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##vote Hal
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Feb 27, 2015 20:14
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Poque posted:I read Hurt in a vacuum and that stood out to me, but he has also at least put out more opinions than I remembered. He'd be easier to read later on. Mac has been chaotic so far and I'd prefer him from the four listed.  Poque posted:That was the case. Who are you eyeing as suspicious now?
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Feb 27, 2015 20:36
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That's not very fun. 
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Feb 27, 2015 20:41
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hi i'm sorry i just launched my game. i am catching up now. i picked a bad time to play mafia. please don't hammer before then thank you!
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Feb 27, 2015 20:43
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Murmur Twin posted:
I thought you were suspicious near the end of the day yesterday, and I want to look you over again. In general your participation and scumhunting has been good, so I'm not too concerned. I think PMom and Diqnol are solid too. I wanna look over this current Hal case when I have more time, but I first read Hal's original statement exactly as he later explained it, so I don't have an issue with that. I remember feeling squicked by Narcotics after the gun situation yesterday, and I don't really remember anything from either Grandi or Somber. Ernie seems alright but I think he's pushing this Hal thing too far. I definitely want to look at merk. Some of his exits from the thread were very conveniently-timed (like when he was getting some suspicion, iirc) and the participation doesn't sit right, independent of the new meta he's trying out.
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Feb 27, 2015 20:43
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I made a good case on Hal yesterday. It's still a good case. It's why I'm voting him. I still think Ernie is scummy with the same case that I made yesterday, but I'm avoiding that issue because of the claim stuff for today.
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Feb 27, 2015 20:46
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Mills posted:I read Ernie as town. His opinions seem sincere to me. I think merk has a point with his case but I think it's the kind of dumb thing people do sometimes and not indicative of alignment. Mills posted:Well good riddance. Let's do this. ##vote Poque. Reminds me of Breach. Mills posted:I was his scum pal so I just think he's playing the same game. Hands off with safe opinions every so often. You want to be visible as scum, but not front and centre. But it's hard to make the case without saying it just reminds me a lot of the last game. Mills posted:Hey Diqnol what do you think of my thoughts on Poque and my thoughts on people posting about the "scum-slip". Also, for what it's worth, if scum killed Mills, I do not think it was Ernie. I think Ernie would've killed me or someone who agreed with my case rather than Mills who spoke out against it. Poque was the only content-based case that Mills pushed at all on d1. I am going to look more into Poque now.
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Feb 27, 2015 20:53
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Eh, I don't like Poque for scum. There isn't anything there that jumps out. Although he initiated the late push onto font, it was a push away from LM (who also flipped town) and the font stuff had support from Poque earlier where he was discussing who to shoot. My strongest read is Hal.  If you are a town vig who killed LM or Mills, I do not see why you wouldn't claim. If you withhold claiming, I am going to assume you are scum or third party.
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Somberbrero posted:it's definitely ernie. Do you think he's scum with MMT?
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Feb 27, 2015 20:57
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Feb 27, 2015 20:58
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Pinterest Mom posted:This is weird posturing, given we have flavour that indicates there's more than one bad guy out there. How is that posturing?
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Feb 27, 2015 20:59
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Ernie. posted:Town merk would have stopped that turbo what / bullshit Ernie. posted:scum-team full of cool people this doesn't make sense to me with regards to ernie's claim at all. why would you presume a sk, especially with your role information? i need to reread that sequence but this sounds implausible. why has ernie not followed up on me at all when i didn't respond to his day one case ever?
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Feb 27, 2015 20:59
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couldn't it be like.... mills was anti-russia and diqnol is the corporate one (but mills knew he wasn't the russian), and same thing with Ernie/MMT but backwards? no point in declaring anybody confirmed town
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Feb 27, 2015 21:00
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Also, what flavor indicates there are multiple bad guys?
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Feb 27, 2015 21:00
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Poque posted:couldn't it be like.... mills was anti-russia and diqnol is the corporate one (but mills knew he wasn't the russian), and same thing with Ernie/MMT but backwards? no point in declaring anybody confirmed town reverse these, mills was anti-corporate. point should still stand
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Feb 27, 2015 21:00
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merk posted:Do you think he's scum with MMT? i think they're masons but not the same alignment.
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Feb 27, 2015 21:01
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merk posted:Also, what flavor indicates there are multiple bad guys? Mills flipped Anti-Corporate, Ernie is claiming Anti-Russia
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Feb 27, 2015 21:01
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Poque posted:couldn't it be like.... mills was anti-russia and diqnol is the corporate one (but mills knew he wasn't the russian), and same thing with Ernie/MMT but backwards? no point in declaring anybody confirmed town ...and then Diqnol killed Mills after breadcrumbing confirmed as a scum gambit? If you're saying don't declare him as confirmed town, when he says his PM said so, you're saying that he's scum.
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Poque posted:Mills flipped Anti-Corporate, Ernie is claiming Anti-Russia That isn't flavor. Those are claims.
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