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Poque
Sep 11, 2003

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merk posted:

That isn't flavor. Those are claims.

Yes, and Somber is proposing - using only Ernie's claim as the unknown - that Ernie's claim doesn't make sense.

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Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?
Mills, NATO Operative/Anti-Corporate Specialist

the way this is worded seems to specifically indicate that you could have different alignments with this role, i.e. Russian Operative/Anti-Corporate Specialist.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Flavour in my role PM.

merk
May 20, 2003

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Somberbrero posted:

Mills, NATO Operative/Anti-Corporate Specialist

the way this is worded seems to specifically indicate that you could have different alignments with this role, i.e. Russian Operative/Anti-Corporate Specialist.

When I first saw that flip, I read it as a Cop.

Poque
Sep 11, 2003

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merk posted:

...and then Diqnol killed Mills after breadcrumbing confirmed as a scum gambit? If you're saying don't declare him as confirmed town, when he says his PM said so, you're saying that he's scum.

let's see. it was a thought off the top of my head.

Mills - flipped - Anti-Corporate
Diqnol - claim - Anti-Corporate
Ernie - claim - Anti-Russian
MMT - claim (via Ernie) - Anti-Russian

It could just as well be.... (for simplicity's sake I've listed Ernie as the Anti-Russian and MMT as the corporate, it could be reverse)

Mills - Anti-Corporate
Diqnol - The Russian
Ernie - Anti-Russian
MMT - The Corporate

Diqnol wouldn't have to be the one to kill Mills, it could've been MMT.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

merk posted:

How is that posturing?

Making a show of ~giving one last chance~ before :siren: being considered scum/3p :siren:

If you have a tracking/watching result, give it. I don't think it's likely that town would have both a day and night vig.

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...
Friendly Mod Note

I didn't think I had to specify this in the OP, but apparently I do; flavor is not indicative of anything in the game. It's just me trying to write a witty narrative around the game and failing miserably. Anything in italics should be read for enjoyment, and not considered canon when it comes to role/alignment/actions in the game proper.

Poque
Sep 11, 2003

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the symmetry of that would be too easy to solve though. this is dumb. IGNORE ME

merk
May 20, 2003

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Poque posted:

let's see. it was a thought off the top of my head.

Mills - flipped - Anti-Corporate
Diqnol - claim - Anti-Corporate
Ernie - claim - Anti-Russian
MMT - claim (via Ernie) - Anti-Russian

It could just as well be.... (for simplicity's sake I've listed Ernie as the Anti-Russian and MMT as the corporate, it could be reverse)

Mills - Anti-Corporate
Diqnol - The Russian
Ernie - Anti-Russian
MMT - The Corporate

Diqnol wouldn't have to be the one to kill Mills, it could've been MMT.

I guess my point is that you're saying Diqnol could be scum and using the Mills confirmed mason thing as a scum gambit.

Poque
Sep 11, 2003

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merk posted:

I guess my point is that you're saying Diqnol could be scum and using the Mills confirmed mason thing as a scum gambit.

Yeah, why not? Ernie is saying that his flavor confirmed to him that MMT was not the Russian. It's possible that Mills only knew that Diqnol wasn't the Corporate.

merk
May 20, 2003

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Pinterest Mom posted:

Making a show of ~giving one last chance~ before :siren: being considered scum/3p :siren:

If you have a tracking/watching result, give it. I don't think it's likely that town would have both a day and night vig.

Town didn't have a day vig?

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

oh, right, i forgot Mills got gifted the gun ~

merk
May 20, 2003

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Pinterest Mom posted:

Flavour in my role PM.

This might be role fishing I guess and I really don't want to claim... but I feel it necessary: I don't have any flavor in my role PM that would lead me to think there are "multiple bad guys."

merk
May 20, 2003

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I also don't want to softclaim: I'm NATO Operative. There is nothing in my role PM that would make me think there are "multiple bad guys" outside of the usual win condition which makes it clear there are threats.

merk
May 20, 2003

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##vote PMom

Something is wrong here. This exchange is pinging my gut hard.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

lol

merk
May 20, 2003

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Let me ask it bluntly: What flavor is in your role PM that makes you think there are multiple bad guys?

merk
May 20, 2003

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For those not following along closely:

Pinterest Mom posted:

we have flavour that indicates there's more than one bad guy out there.

Pinterest Mom posted:

Flavour in my role PM.

merk
May 20, 2003

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Oh, and also please tell me how flavor in your role PM would be known by me such that my statement is posturing?

Holy poo poo, PMom actually scum slipped. This is a complete fabrication.

merk
May 20, 2003

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:siren: I am voting PMom until one of us is removed from the game. This is a real scum slip. :siren:

Poque
Sep 11, 2003

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merk posted:

For those not following along closely:

that's not all of it though, Ernie said something about needing to find the russian?

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

are you actually a crazy person?

Poque
Sep 11, 2003

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Ernie. posted:

in mother russia, is dead spy heaven

lol btw.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

i expected you to have read this post I made before the other two:

Pinterest Mom posted:

Oh, and yeah: my role PM says that it's unclear if there's more than one bad guy team.

Poque
Sep 11, 2003

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Ernie. posted:

does your role pm tell you that you are confirmed nato operatives, or confirmed to not be corporate operatives?

Ernie. posted:

I don't think so!

I think we're all playing against a scum-team of two people. One russian and one corporate. They both have a kill each because my PM tells me MMT and I are charged with finding the person responsible for THE kill. I still win when threats to NATO are gone.

Byers has basically trolled us by creating a way for us to know whether one person has two chances to be a nightkiller, or one.

i want more info about how you are confirmed to each other

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

Ernie. posted:

no one caught me saying MMT and I were confirmed town, so yeah

:clown:

Wait, really? I was under the impression that at least PMom and Hal caught it earlier (I can't remember the exact posts and don't feel the need to look)

True and Real posted:

Also, Mills and I had identical PMs as far as we could tell.

As far I can tell this is the same for Ernie and I. And while I guess he could Corporate scum (and/or Diqnol could be Russian scum), I don't see any reason at the moment to think that's the case.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

I didn't catch it.

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

Poque posted:

i want more info about how you are confirmed to each other

We are confirmed to each other not to be Russian operatives.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Pinterest Mom posted:

I didn't catch it.

Well, I guess I caught it in the sense that I saw Ernie made a post saying "MMT is confirmed town because X" and thought it was an insane thing to say because X was so flimsy.

merk
May 20, 2003

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Pinterest Mom posted:

i expected you to have read this post I made before the other two:

So I am posturing how again?

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

If you have a tracker/watcher result to one of the kills, you should give it (and the idea that you're Not Moving Off me for a wet fart of a perceived scumslip while you have a result to a kill is ridic)

If you don't have a result, your Stern Warning that town should claim the kill or else you'll be very cross is posturing.

merk
May 20, 2003

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Pinterest Mom posted:

If you have a tracker/watcher result to one of the kills, you should give it (and the idea that you're Not Moving Off me for a wet fart of a perceived scumslip while you have a result to a kill is ridic)

If you don't have a result, your Stern Warning that town should claim the kill or else you'll be very cross is posturing.

How is my question posturing? You can't answer the question by using the word I'm asking you to explain in your answer without explanation.

merk
May 20, 2003

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...and please also explain how flavour in your role PM supports your theory of me posturing with a very simple question.

merk
May 20, 2003

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This is a slam dunk loving case. We rarely see scum slips. This is one. Can someone else please weigh in?

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

oh man the existence of the term "slam dunk" is yet another argument in favour of the use of "dunk" as a euphemism.

I'm not engaging you in flavour chat over what my italics say, and I think you have a reading comprehension problem.

merk
May 20, 2003

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Pinterest Mom posted:

oh man the existence of the term "slam dunk" is yet another argument in favour of the use of "dunk" as a euphemism.

I'm not engaging you in flavour chat over what my italics say, and I think you have a reading comprehension problem.

PLEASE SOMEONE ELSE WEIGH IN

JESUS CHRIST

THIS PLAYER IS SCUM

Poque
Sep 11, 2003

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i'm confused. is your flavor indicating two enemy factions in italics now?

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

Byers2142 posted:

Friendly Mod Note

I didn't think I had to specify this in the OP, but apparently I do; flavor is not indicative of anything in the game. It's just me trying to write a witty narrative around the game and failing miserably. Anything in italics should be read for enjoyment, and not considered canon when it comes to role/alignment/actions in the game proper.

Pinterest Mom posted:

I'm not engaging you in flavour chat over what my italics say, and I think you have a reading comprehension problem.

Was the thing that makes you think multiple scum teams in the italics part or the role part of the PM?

Diqnol
May 10, 2010

merk its really busy at work for me right now

I see you freaking out. just give me like 20 minutes ok

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Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Poque posted:

i'm confused. is your flavor indicating two enemy factions in italics now?

Yes. That's where the flavour hides. In the italics.

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