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Asiina posted:Confirmed. I'm in the cop room.
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I'm also in the roleblocker room.
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Mar 7, 2015 00:50
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Once we reveal the third power, we can discuss openly in this chat who we should use what powers on, instead of just discussing in the voting room.
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Mar 7, 2015 00:50
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Little Mac posted:I'm also in the roleblocker room. Little Mac nooooo.
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Mar 7, 2015 00:51
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jon joe posted:Little Mac nooooo. ???
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Mar 7, 2015 00:51
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Only one per room is to reveal so we all know what the rooms are and can further discuss them without giving away what everyone's ballots are.
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Mar 7, 2015 00:52
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Hahah were we only supposed to reveal what powers were available? Oops I guess?
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Mar 7, 2015 00:52
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doc room
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Mar 7, 2015 00:53
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Little Mac, I would berate you in the room but then I would give away who I am, so I'm just going to berate you here. You dumb.
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Mar 7, 2015 00:53
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How does scum gain an advantage from knowing I have a ballot? Don't they change every day?
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Mar 7, 2015 00:54
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Okay we have a cop room, doc room, and roleblocker room. We should target the cop room and doc room on the same person d1, so scum doesn't just kill the cop target if they're town. Who that target it is up for debate. We should probably roleblock whoever the second most-wanted puppy cuddle is.
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Mar 7, 2015 00:55
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HiipFire posted:doc room This is going to be hard to get right unless we get a bunch of confirmed towns in the doc room.
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Mar 7, 2015 00:55
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All the tswift avatars make it hard to tell who's who.
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Mar 7, 2015 01:06
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wall monitor posted:All the tswift avatars make it hard to tell who's who. Why did I type this?
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Mar 7, 2015 01:07
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wall monitor posted:All the tswift avatars make it hard to tell who's who.
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Little Mac posted:How does scum gain an advantage from knowing I have a ballot? Don't they change every day?
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Mar 7, 2015 01:24
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Fast Luck posted:This is a good question. MMM warns us to stay anonymous saying scum could gain an advantage but I'm not sure I see it? This is just some setup speculation, but it's possible scum have a power role to steal a ballot during the night from its intended target by targeting the person who was holding it.
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Mar 7, 2015 01:26
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jon joe posted:This is just some setup speculation, but it's possible scum have a power role to steal a ballot during the night from its intended target by targeting the person who was holding it. I'd guess a swap more than a steal. Scum holding two ballots in the same room would be rough to handle.
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Mar 7, 2015 05:12
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Regardless of anything else I want to vote out all the T-Swizzle avs
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Mar 7, 2015 05:20
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^  Epsilon Plus posted:I'd guess a swap more than a steal. Scum holding two ballots in the same room would be rough to handle. Which is why we should decide all targets in this chat. That way all town players are in consensus and any less than 3 scum-controlled ballots in the same room can't control the power.
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Mar 7, 2015 05:34
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Hal Incandenza posted:Regardless of anything else I want to vote out all the T-Swizzle avs This.
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Mar 7, 2015 05:52
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jon joe posted:^ If scum are stealing ballots, they could circumvent this, though. This would be particularly lovely if the scum also had a role that let them discern what ballot someone holds (ballotcop?). More than likely, though, I'd guess all scum are vanilla but I wouldn't put money on it. Hal's got the right idea though - if we take out the highest ranked Swifthaver, the rest will fall. ##vote wall monitor
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Mar 7, 2015 06:07
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hello, i am still shaky on the mechanics i have to give my ballot away every night, yeah? what's stopping me from claiming who i gave it to so that once they flip scum (if they do) i become confirmed town? is the disadvantage just that we'd have a few nights of mis-cops and mis-docs?
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Mar 7, 2015 06:44
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Ernie. posted:hello, i am still shaky on the mechanics Nothing that I can see, other than the fact that more than likely you don't know who you received your ballot from and there's no way (for town at least) to track ballots, so you could just lie out of your rear end?
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Mar 7, 2015 06:59
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Epsilon Plus posted:Nothing that I can see, other than the fact that more than likely you don't know who you received your ballot from and there's no way (for town at least) to track ballots, so you could just lie out of your rear end? unless whoever people send their ballots to receive no ballots at all, i'm not sure how far this strategy would take scum like, i would personally like to suggest that at the very least we should attempt to break the game by tracking where the ballots go this game runs a little like resistance (in that it's unlikely there are going to be 3 spies on a single ballot) but by keeping things openly known there's no way the town could remain at a disadvantage scum eventually will run out of whatever powers they're given (because this game can't be balanced if scum have non-expiring ballot-modifying powers - the cop and doc would not work all game)
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Mar 7, 2015 07:03
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Okay after sleeping on it my thoughts: Ballot tracking is potentially a good idea, because town generally benefits from having more information out there Having it known who got what ballot is potentially bad, though, since scum might have powers that necessitate or work more effectively if they know who has what ballot Any information we get is still potentially suspect since scum might have powers that affect where ballots end up, or steal them, etc? And in any case scum can simply lie about where they sent ballots to and then claim interference if someone calls them on it, further muddying the waters. So given the above, I'm going to say that doing any sort of immediate claiming is not in town's best interest? But doing a D1 claim two days later on D3, when the info might be useful to town but less useful to scum (since by then it's much harder to use it to determine who has what ballot right then and there) might work out better? Thoughts?
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Mar 7, 2015 12:31
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I had considered trying to brute force out who was scum by having everyone pass D1 ballots to the next person down on the OP roster, then pass D2 ballots to the second person down etc, and look for inconsistencies that'd indicate two people who couldn't pass ballots to each other. It falls apart if scum have any destination-altering capabilities, though
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Mar 7, 2015 12:37
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Is there any harm in saying who you sent your ballot to after the fact? Other than the four of us (gj LM) who have known ballots it still keeps the identity of who is in what room hidden. This is complicated without knowing what powers scum have.
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Mar 7, 2015 13:03
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Let's stop asking hard questions and start asking harder questions: Who is scum? Is it you, Ernie.? How could you do this to me, Ernie.? I trusetd you! TRUSETD YOU!
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Mar 7, 2015 18:16
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jon joe posted:Let's stop asking hard questions and start asking harder questions: Who is scum? ##vote jon joe hth
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Mar 7, 2015 18:20
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HiipFire posted:##vote jon joe ty
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Mar 7, 2015 18:26
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Mar 7, 2015 18:29
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Votecount in the OP, please, MMM.
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Mar 7, 2015 18:30
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I am here and gave this thread a quick skim so far but I would like to say that I'm on board with trying to track ballots. I know people have claimed what ballot they have - is there a reason not to openly say which group we're in? I feel like the town knowing who has what on day 1 will help provide information to analyze later in the game.
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Mar 7, 2015 18:43
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Murmur Twin posted:Is there a reason not to openly say which group we're in? I feel like the town knowing who has what on day 1 will help provide information to analyze later in the game. Nothing except the ballot area states that revealing your ballot is a potentially bad idea. I doubt MMM would state that if it weren't true.
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Mar 7, 2015 18:48
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The scum team must have some powers that can mess with things, or else it could go just like wall monitor said and we have a predetermined swap order and anyone who can't follow it must be scum passing to scum.
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Mar 7, 2015 18:57
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jon joe posted:Let's stop asking hard questions and start asking harder questions: Who is scum? i've been mentally staring at this post for five minutes trying to wrap my head around it help
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Mar 7, 2015 20:24
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Asiina posted:The scum team must have some powers that can mess with things, or else it could go just like wall monitor said and we have a predetermined swap order and anyone who can't follow it must be scum passing to scum. hmmm hmmmmmmm if scum can gently caress the ballots up indefinitely then the system is broken from the get go if they can't then we will get more actions to go our way by being organized than by trying to randomize it all of that said, let's talk about mafia yeah
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Mar 7, 2015 20:26
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wall monitor posted:This suggests at least one power is beneficial to the target? this is a scum post like this is the kind of information that we will anyway have in d2 when people start going 'yesterday i was in the ___ ballot' delaying it gives us no advantage whatsoever this post is motivated by being seen as helping the town but it has no actual townie basis for its existence ##vote wall monitor
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I put a whole bunch of thought into how to break this game - including plans where we mass claim, plans where we claim in our mason docs, and other stuff like that. And after 20 minutes I did nothing but think around in circles and second-guess myself. My original thought was to get all the information out there, and then we could figure out where stuff went wrong to get an idea of who the scumteam is when information starts to contradict itself. The idea being that "bad information is better than no information". Thinking about it more, that's not right. I feel like anything said in my masondoc has a chance of being forwarded to the scumdoc, so talking in there isn't productive. And since I think we can get a better consensus in the thread, I feel like the information of who has what ballot right now is more useful to scum than town. So I'm on the same page with quote:So given the above, I'm going to say that doing any sort of immediate claiming is not in town's best interest? But doing a D1 claim two days later on D3, when the info might be useful to town but less useful to scum (since by then it's much harder to use it to determine who has what ballot right then and there) might work out better? Thoughts? That said, in the name of starting some discussion - I am willing to volunteer to be cop/doctor'ed if people agree that they should be aimed at the same person.
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