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They are supposed to be releasing 8GB versions of the 900 series, I'd assume not for the 960 but there is little drive for it outside of 4K gaming so they might sit on it until they can refresh the product line and justify keeping the price up.
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Mar 7, 2015 20:24
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If I already have a 144hz low input-lag monitor, am I really going to notice a difference with GSync?
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Carecat posted:They are supposed to be releasing 8GB versions of the 900 series, I'd assume not for the 960 but there is little drive for it outside of 4K gaming so they might sit on it until they can refresh the product line and justify keeping the price up. 7 GB version for the 970.
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Mar 7, 2015 21:24
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Ziploc posted:If I already have a 144hz low input-lag monitor, am I really going to notice a difference with GSync? As far as I can tell, yes. Micro stutters and tearing is pretty much constant which you can "prove" yourself by logging some games you play. I would guess that's where the Whoa factor comes into it despite whatever the fps says it is. Now is it worth the price difference? That's the real question.
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Mar 7, 2015 22:03
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So glad I've never been able to see microstutter. And Tearing isn't really an issue cause I can't push 60+ fps on this triple monitor setup anyway. WHERE IS THE GOD DAMNED MAILMAN, I WANT MY CARDS. don't remember if I already mentioned this or not, but here is a neat little script that lets you switch between nvidia surround and extended desktop. http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1590030&highlight=surround+extended
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Mar 7, 2015 22:32
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Tearing can be an issue at any frame rate, no?
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Mar 7, 2015 22:33
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Subjunctive posted:Tearing can be an issue at any frame rate, no? I thought tearing was mostly when the video card is pushing frames faster than the monitor can keep up.
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Mar 7, 2015 22:35
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veedubfreak posted:I thought tearing was mostly when the video card is pushing frames faster than the monitor can keep up. Happens when the frame buffer is modified during scan out, so more common with high frame rates, but don't think it's inherent to that. I don't want to draw a picture and think harder about it, though.
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Mar 7, 2015 22:36
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I can notice stutter and it sucks. The fps counter says 100, feels like 30. Especially if you watch the same game on youtube or whatever at 60fps it becomes clear that in your game you aren't getting that smoothness. That's what the Titan X is for though, right? 
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So I've been slowly collecting parts to rebuild my machine, and I have a couple GPU-related couple questions. I'm currently running a GTX 480, it works well still but I feel like I'm starting to notice its age. How much of an upgrade would a 960 be? How about a 970? Are either of those cards physically larger then the 480? I'm roughly at the limits for my current case with the 480. I don't really have 400+ to throw at a video card at the moment, so I'm not considering SLI (as of now) or a 980. Mainly I'm curious if its worth holding on to my $200-350, and waiting for the next series iteration as I read NVIDIA is on a 2 year cycle with GPUs, but I really have no clue anymore as I haven't paid attention to the marketplace in a while.
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Mar 7, 2015 23:04
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Mazz posted:So I've been slowly collecting parts to rebuild my machine, and I have a couple GPU-related couple questions. I'm currently running a GTX 480, it works well still but I feel like I'm starting to notice its age. A 970 would blow your mind. A 960 will be a very good upgrade. The 970 is probably the best price/performance card on the market at the moment, and probably won't change in that aspect for a while.
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Mar 7, 2015 23:05
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How much longer until we see the next big refresh of cards?
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Mar 7, 2015 23:20
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If I were to get a 970 for 1080p gaming would it be powerful enough to run PhysX in games that support it without too much performance loss or would I need a dedicated PhysX card?
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Mar 7, 2015 23:21
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Tab8715 posted:How much longer until we see the next big refresh of cards? Since nVidia knows they don't have to rush, they'll probably show at Computex to steal AMD's thunder, and go to market again in or around September like they did with the 970/980. spasticColon posted:If I were to get a 970 for 1080p gaming would it be powerful enough to run PhysX in games that support it without too much performance loss or would I need a dedicated PhysX card? My 970 is pretty much overkill for 1200p, so there's a lot of headroom.
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spasticColon posted:If I were to get a 970 for 1080p gaming would it be powerful enough to run PhysX in games that support it without too much performance loss or would I need a dedicated PhysX card? I don't think "dedicated PhysX card" has been a thing in a long time.
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Kazinsal posted:I don't think "dedicated PhysX card" has been a thing in a long time. I'm talking about using a dedicated Nvidia card like say a $100 GTX750 for games that support PhysX. But if a single 970 is powerful enough to run graphics and PhysX at 1080p then I'll probably pull the trigger on one of those cards then. spasticColon fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Mar 7, 2015 |
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spasticColon posted:I'm talking about using a dedicated Nvidia card like say a $100 GTX750 for games that support PhysX. But if a single 970 is powerful enough to run graphics and PhysX at 1080p then I'll probably pull the trigger on one of those cards then. Considering how few games have come out with physx recently, it shouldn't be a problem. USPS sucks at updating the status of my package.
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NVIDIA CEO claimed that the card will be faster than even the previous generation dual-GPU flagship product by NVIDIA, the GeForce GTX TITAN-Z. (Referring to the TitanX)
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1gnoirents posted:Funny, I have a Gigabyte mobo and I used to get those. Occasionally when I boot it says hard drive read failure as well despite having used two different ssd's and a hdd as my windows drive over the year. I just kind of gave up. Really can't say its the reason I guess but still. Now I'm fiddling with my board and getting some eye opening results. My CPU has been hitting 80C+ despite being cooled by a Noctua NH-U14S....maybe one fan is too few? More importantly the Vcore voltage is hitting as high as 1.4 despite my telling it not to. Everything I've read says 1.3 is too high as is 80C+. Also the CPU package power topped out at 164W during one Prime95 run...after just a few seconds.  I just don't think any of the relevant clock controls in the BIOS actually DO anything.
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BurritoJustice posted:NVIDIA CEO claimed that the card will be faster than even the previous generation dual-GPU flagship product by NVIDIA, the GeForce GTX TITAN-Z. (Referring to the TitanX) Incoming 1500 dollar price tag. Still no mail man. QQ
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Panty Saluter posted:Now I'm fiddling with my board and getting some eye opening results. I'm not super knowledgeable on CPU cooling, but don't you really need at least 1 intake and 1 exhaust fan for proper cooling? Otherwise you're either never getting cool air or never getting rid of any hot air, either solution being your CPU stewing in its own juices. But that's outside the scope of this thread I think.
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Panty Saluter posted:Now I'm fiddling with my board and getting some eye opening results. That sounds more like either a bad mount or not enough air movement. Which cpu?
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Wait, so they went Titan, Titan Black, Titan Z, and now it's Titan X? Jesus, guys, get your loving naming convention together.
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veedubfreak posted:That sounds more like either a bad mount or not enough air movement. I5-4670K I guess I can try re-applying the paste and reseating.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Wait, so they went Titan, Titan Black, Titan Z, and now it's Titan X? Jesus, guys, get your loving naming convention together. They did, you see each stage of the naming process is more EXTREME for your REAL GAMER needs. I'm waiting on Titan Alpha, Titan Omega and Titan Tits and Explosions. It's the literary form of putting a gun shaped heatsink on your motherboard.
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It's not the nh-u14s, that's for sure. That's a very capable cooler. Those are the kind of temps I'd expect to see if you didn't use thermal paste at all. Definitely not normal. 1.4v is scary, something weird is going on. First thing I guess is confirm that those readings are accurate by using another program because, honestly, it sounds like the sensors are being misinterpreted. Then I'd move on to remounting the CPU cooler along with a fresh application of thermal paste. Beautiful Ninja posted:I'm not super knowledgeable on CPU cooling, but don't you really need at least 1 intake and 1 exhaust fan for proper cooling? Otherwise you're either never getting cool air or never getting rid of any hot air, either solution being your CPU stewing in its own juices. But that's outside the scope of this thread I think. He's talking about putting two fans on the CPU cooler itself for push/pull, not the case fans. Otherwise I guess if he were trying to run the cooler as a passive cooler that might explain those temps.
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Nope, got an exhaust fan on the heatsink. I'm using HwInfo, what else is good?
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Afterburner will give you cpu temps, along with cpu-z Still no video cards. WHY MUST YOU FORSAKE ME UNCLE SAM!
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Yeah, hitting high 60s after just a couple minutes of Prime95 at 3.4 gHz (so not overclocked).
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veedubfreak posted:Afterburner will give you cpu temps, along with cpu-z Yeah, I dunno what's up with USPS. I've got a package that's stuck out in Texas for some godforsaken reason, when it was supposed to be here Friday. Panty Saluter posted:Yeah, hitting high 60s after just a couple minutes of Prime95 at 3.4 gHz (so not overclocked). Time to repaste that fucker. Remember, just a dot the size of a grain of rice will do you, because too much will act as an insulator. Doubly so if it's some super-thick stuff that doesn't get fluid until it hits higher temps like Shin-Etsu or some crap, because sometimes Intel processors won't get hot enough to reflow. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Mar 8, 2015 |
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Will do. Is Noctua's paste garbage? That's what I used last time.
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veedubfreak posted:I thought tearing was mostly when the video card is pushing frames faster than the monitor can keep up. Not quite. It happens whenever the framerate and monitor refresh rate are out of sync, and it doesn't matter which one is too slow or too fast. To understand why, you have to go back to old-school displays. GPUs and monitors are very simple-minded when it comes to displaying pixels: they almost always update each pixel left to right, top to bottom, in lockstep with a defined clock. This is absolutely necessary when you're talking about controlling the intensity of three electron beams in a CRT that have to keep moving in a fixed pattern, at a speed that's slow enough to not overwhelm the timing hardware but fast enough to keep the phosphors lit. It's not necessary with an LCD, but the old standard generally works, and everything works with it. At least, until the GPU raises its hand and asks, "so, what happens when the monitor starts refreshing the top-left pixel, I have to follow the clock, and I don't have a brand-new frame ready right this instant?" It has to start out with sending the old frame, because that's all it's got, but when the new frame is ready mid-refresh, there's a choice. Start displaying it now, and the monitor gets the freshest possible information on the screen right away, but the user sees a tear in the image - the top half of the monitor shows the old frame, and the bottom half shows the new frame. Since the GPU's not locked to the refresh rate and is just throwing new frames down the pipe whenever it's got them, this is "vsync off."* The other choice is to keep displaying the old frame for the entire refresh cycle, then start showing the new frame. You get a beautiful tear-free image, long after it was first rendered. Since the GPU is paying attention to the refresh rate and syncing new frames to it, this is "vsync on." With G-sync and Freesync, the monitor and GPU are freed from the tyranny of that single clock. Instead of having to either tear the image or wait for an entire frame, the GPU can just tell the monitor, "hey, hold on for just a few more milliseconds, so I can get the next frame ready." The instant the GPU puts the frame together, it can tell the monitor to start refreshing again. Presto, no tearing and no delay. *the "v" stands for "vertical," where the pixel getting refresh data makes the vertical jump from the bottom of the screen all the way back to the top. Even DVI-D and HDMI allow for a pause here, so if there's an electron beam it can make its journey back to the starting point; HDMI uses this "vertical blanking interval" as a convenient place to pack audio data down the video wires. Horizontal sync is also a thing in CRTs, where the pixel getting refreshed goes from the far right of the display to the left of the next line, but we don't care about it here unless we're talking about how awesome old-school SLI setups were.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Time to repaste that fucker. Remember, just a dot the size of a grain of rice will do you, because too much will act as an insulator. Doubly so if it's some super-thick stuff that doesn't get fluid until it hits higher temps like Shin-Etsu or some crap, because sometimes Intel processors won't get hot enough to reflow. When replacing OEM thermal paste on a EVGA GTX 770 with an ACX cooler, is there a brand of thermal paste that is preferable? Is Arctic Silver fine? Do I need to use something different for the memory chips?
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Potato Salad posted:When replacing OEM thermal paste on a EVGA GTX 770 with an ACX cooler, is there a brand of thermal paste that is preferable? Is Arctic Silver fine? Do I need to use something different for the memory chips? Arctic Silver works fine, just make sure it's not too old, because I know a lot of y'all still have tubes from way back. Memory chips usually have a pad to contact with the backside of the cooler or some adhesive they used to stick the mini heatsinks onto them, best to leave those be in either case.
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Panty Saluter posted:Will do. No, Noctua's paste is good. There's very little meaningful difference between pastes. Noctua's comes in a huge tube though, so don't use too much.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Arctic Silver works fine, just make sure it's not too old, because I know a lot of y'all still have tubes from way back. Memory chips usually have a pad to contact with the backside of the cooler or some adhesive they used to stick the mini heatsinks onto them, best to leave those be in either case. How old is too old?
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You guys... I am disappointed.Panty Saluter posted:More importantly the Vcore voltage is hitting as high as 1.4 despite my telling it not to. Check your Load Line Calibration setting and turn it off. LLC works by adding voltage under high stress situations, essentially being an additional offset to the Vcore. It's useful I guess? But it makes your Vcore higher than you think.
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Will do  Also I just remembered that I oriented the HSF so that it blows upward, theoretically taking advantage of natural convection. Maybe I should have it blow front to back since I might be drawing hot GPU air. Hrm.
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