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Ernie. posted:his follow-up unvoting is too thick to lay on for scum How so? He made a defense that was, itself, indefensible. At that point, your only options are to double down or bail, he chose to bail. I don't see where hoping to be forgiven is something scum would never do. Somberbrero posted:King, Ernie, do you two remember The Grand Hotel Budapest? Do you remember how I spent a lot of day one trying to break that silly cash/item mechanic to try and keep all the money in town hands? This is irrelevant, and that Somber felt the need to even make this argument pings my scumdar.
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Somberbrero posted:I think the issue here is that you are of the opinion that there's Town setup speculation and Scum setup speculation. On day one, I think setup speculation is almost always anti-town behavior regardless of alignment. The different system here does not change that. I'm interested in lunching scum and none of the work presented helped accomplish that. In fact I'd be willing to say that it has significantly set back discussion. The set-up has a unique item in it that could potentially help town find scum and clear other town members in how the ballots are handled. Scum would absolutely not want us to try ballot tracking because of the mechanics. That's why it is scummy. Murmur Twin posted:Because the fact that there is such a bandwagon on Somber (while Mac's, Meinberg's and PMom's relative lurkiness go unquestioned) on D1 is suspicious. At least, that's my answer. D1 weekend lurking, two of three from known D1 lurkers. I'm going to deal with them tomorrow.
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Poison Mushroom posted:I think we generally agreed that being completely open in the thread would do more harm than good. No, we never came to a consensus at all because people like JJ and Somber completely stonewalled.
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You know, whatever. What do you want me to do again? I don't really want to go for JJ right now but I'm at a loss otherwise. My gut says Pmush.
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Mar 10, 2015 00:54
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Somberbrero posted:You know, whatever. What do you want me to do again? Pmush is another lurker I'd go for.
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Epsilon Plus posted:Also my room has one lurker and I'm in favor of hitting a lurker instead of Somber if possible. Assuming no scum PRs that would interfere, killing town will statistically put a ballot in town hands more often than not. Offing lurkers is more beneficial than normal, I think. Roleblocker Room Voter 4 is scum. Also won't tell us anything, but yeah, scum.
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Mar 10, 2015 01:01
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jon joe posted:Pmush is another lurker I'd go for.
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Poison Mushroom posted:You realize I replaced Taste just yesterday, right? Oh, you're a replacement? No, I did not notice. Disregard.
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jon joe posted:Oh, you're a replacement? No, I did not notice. Disregard.
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Poison Mushroom posted:With that in mind, how do you feel about Somber's read on me? It's a gut read. 
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Byers2142 posted:No, we never came to a consensus at all because people like JJ and Somber completely stonewalled. This was what I thought and I still kinda think it's okay being open. As I said earlier, I admitted I have a roleblock ballot. What does scum gain from knowing that? Not a thing. Only town gains from knowing who voted what. On the subject of the day's plorp, I don't really have a strong read one way or another on anyone. Somber has the most votes and he was pushed at first by KB and there's a bunch of really loving lame and weak votes on him, especially after KB unvoted and dropped it. I was thinking at first that PMush had replaced Asiina and there's no loving way I'd vote Asiina after that meltdown but he replaced TT and I could go for that. After his opening post, which is an easy vote on Somber, he pretty much posts nothing of value. Somber comes off as mostly townie to me, personally, so if I were going to drop a vote anywhere it'd be PMush. I would vote Jon Joe for being so anti-helpfuk to using the mechanics to break the game. I think it's in our best interests to be open and honest with our votes and what we do, personally, because once those votes are done it's not like scum can do anything to harm us unless they can, like, manipulate votes after the fact or something. Which would make no sense.
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jon joe posted:It's a gut read. A gut read about a gutread.  If we're gonna Ecco Gambit this one, I'm alright with PMom as a target, though I'm still really feeling Somber.
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Somberbrero posted:i'm trying to not be an rear end in a top hat but some of these arguments make me want to throw things and call people bad names. am i posting different than i do when i'm town, presumably? over what sample size? in what way? are those behaviors scummy by themselves? Burn meta cases/defenses. Seriously, all of them. SA's become so enamored with meta that it's now worthless.
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Little Mac posted:I was thinking at first that PMush had replaced Asiina and there's no loving way I'd vote Asiina after that meltdown but he replaced TT and I could go for that. After his opening post, which is an easy vote on Somber, he pretty much posts nothing of value. Somber comes off as mostly townie to me, personally, so if I were going to drop a vote anywhere it'd be PMush. 
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Mar 10, 2015 01:06
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I apologize again. I'm bad at this. 
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Poison Mushroom posted:You think it's genuine, then? Yeah, it's genuine. It's also ironic because you were dug into for gut reading.
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Mar 10, 2015 01:07
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Little Mac posted:I would vote Jon Joe for being so anti-helpfuk to using the mechanics to break the game. I think it's in our best interests to be open and honest with our votes and what we do, personally, because once those votes are done it's not like scum can do anything to harm us unless they can, like, manipulate votes after the fact or something. Which would make no sense. I don't feel the game can be broken. I think it's not in our best interests to be open and honest with our ballot passes. I do think the scum can manipulate passes. This is why I am against the plan.
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jon joe posted:I don't feel the game can be broken. I think it's not in our best interests to be open and honest with our ballot passes. I do think the scum can manipulate passes. This is why I am against the plan. But MMM pretty much said after re-opening the thread that arguing about how best to manipulate this system is what the game is all about so it HAS to be able to be broken.
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Mar 10, 2015 01:13
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Little Mac posted:But MMM pretty much said after re-opening the thread that arguing about how best to manipulate this system is what the game is all about so it HAS to be able to be broken. I think we have two different reads on what MMM said and what that means.
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jon joe posted:I don't feel the game can be broken. I think it's not in our best interests to be open and honest with our ballot passes. I do think the scum can manipulate passes. This is why I am against the plan. You've not been able to detail a single solid reason to think this. Also, something's happening in the Roleblock Room. Something that might be big for today's vote for lynch.
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Byers2142 posted:You've not been able to detail a single solid reason to think this. Sorry if my reasoning has been too implicit, here is my single solid reason: I have trust in MMM as a game designer and balancer too much to believe that he would allow his game to be broken in such a way. To further expound, this comes from my work with him in designing games for OWURG.
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Mar 10, 2015 01:19
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Furthermore, it is the Word of Mod in the votedocs that revealing things may be a bad idea.
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Porpoise!
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I hope my previous two posts have elucidated for you my reasoning.
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jon joe posted:Furthermore, it is the Word of Mod in the votedocs that revealing things may be a bad idea. I don't believe in Mod.
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jon joe posted:I hope my previous two posts have elucidated for you my reasoning. I have a hard time buying that MMM would have thought of everything here and we should kick the tires to see if we can get an advantage. You're basing your decision, at the end of the day, on MMM being a flawless game designer.
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Just got home, should be around for deadline.Byers2142 posted:Also, something's happening in the Roleblock Room. Something that might be big for today's vote for lynch.  Summary for those of us not in the loop? Little Mac posted:I don't believe in Mod. You're an SA-theist?
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Byers2142 posted:Roleblocker Room Voter 4 is scum. Also won't tell us anything, but yeah, scum. Is this a read or a proof thing (ex: he slipped up and said 'I am Without revealing which room I'm in, I've got my own read on one of the voters there.
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Byers2142 posted:I have a hard time buying that MMM would have thought of everything here and we should kick the tires to see if we can get an advantage. You're basing your decision, at the end of the day, on MMM being a flawless game designer. Not a flawless one. A capable one. Coupled with this warning, I believe this to be sufficient reason to not reveal what ballot one holds en mass, or to reveal who one is passing ballots to. I think discussing of targets in this chat is good, though.
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Murmur Twin posted:
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Murmur Twin posted:
People posting in other people's columns.
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Byers2142 posted:People posting in other people's columns. I am going to assume this is little mac trolling for fun (regardless of alignment) until proven otherwise.
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Right now, we know that roleblockers are Little Mac, KB, and me in this thread. Someone in the doc said they were Meinberg, in Little Mac's column. Someone else (based on the writing style) posted a bunch of bullshit in Little Mac's column as well.
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jon joe posted:I am going to assume this is little mac trolling for fun (regardless of alignment) until proven otherwise. Quite the opposite, actually!
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jon joe posted:I am going to assume this is little mac trolling for fun (regardless of alignment) until proven otherwise. Little Mac is the victim. 
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Byers2142 posted:Little Mac is the victim. The perfect crime.
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Somber, I'll stop voting you if you tell me what room you're in. I'm hunting for the Roleblock Room, Voter 4.
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Byers2142 posted:Somber, I'll stop voting you if you tell me what room you're in. I'm hunting for the Roleblock Room, Voter 4. Do you really think this unknown person's behavior is scummier than your main scum target? Furthermore, what about this behavior's is indicative of scumminess rather than trolling? Finally, shouldn't we give this person an opportunity to just claim who they are in thread and claim why they did what they did? (hint: they were having fun)
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May not be here for deadline. ##vote pmush
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