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Asiina posted:I think MC looks townie out of the whole roleblocker claim thing. I suppose I can't rule out that I'm crazy, if no one is seeing my sign of this. But I've reread that stuff several times now and I'm still seeing it. I see what I see.
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Mar 11, 2015 00:52
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:Not voting Cardinal today on account of being the guy that received the message, no matter how dumb. How am I being an rear end in a top hat?
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Mar 11, 2015 00:53
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Asiina posted:I am TNL's confirmed mason best buddy. We shared a tracker role as long as both of us were still alive. As I've been saying, this confirms you as town, imho. My guess is you will get killed tonight.
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Mar 11, 2015 00:53
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:Save your ultimatums, they won't be necessary. I think this claim is nonsense. Either MC or MCS is lying about their role, imho. This much kill redirection does not make sense with what we've seen thus far. Since no one else is seeing MC at the moment, I'll flip to MCS. But they are my top two. ##vote MCS
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Mar 11, 2015 00:56
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Cardinal Ximenez posted:MEDS CURES SCHIZOS (whose avatar is of a MS Paint Adventures character called "Spades Slick") I don't understand what this means. Can you solve the puzzle for me?
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Mar 11, 2015 01:00
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MC Eating Disorder posted:Oh also what made you choose MCS to self-roleclaim? I don't get it as a D1 play and I'd like a lot more justification for that as well I'm curious about this as well.
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Mar 11, 2015 01:01
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Ok, I'm caught up. I'm a bit distracted going through my kids nighttime ritual, but I'll be around-ish until deadline for any discussion.
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Mar 11, 2015 01:02
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Card that was weird as poo poo
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Mar 11, 2015 01:06
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Im so confused. Someone explain to me like Im a first grader
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Mar 11, 2015 01:06
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King Burgundy posted:Because of the bolded text, this opinion still seems wrong to me, fwiw. Like, I get what you are saying if there were TWO dead masons. At that point a third has absolutely no verification. But with only one dead confirmed town mason, a second mason claiming with no counter claim would pretty much be mod confirmed town for me. By the nature of the role, there have to be at least two. What the hell is so hard about it? A: Mod makes one guy a confirmed town mason with no masonry. This accomplishes nothing since he can't talk to anyone and nobody but him knows he's confirmed town. B: Mod makes two masons who are confirmed town to each other. We have a normal masonry. One of them dies before claiming, the masonry is useless. The remaining mason is not confirmed anything because there's nothing but a single unverifiable claim. Right now, I buy Asiina's claim because there's nothing else to oppose it. Her night actions click with mine. Nobody is counterclaiming her. However, she is confirmed nothing.
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Mar 11, 2015 01:09
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:What the hell is so hard about it? Is option A something you've actually seen before? Single town confirmed masons that flip as that when they die? That setup seems ridiculous to me. Who would do that?
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Mar 11, 2015 01:12
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MC Eating Disorder posted:Oh also what made you choose MCS to self-roleclaim? I don't get it as a D1 play and I'd like a lot more justification for that as well MC Eating Disorder posted:I'm willing to unvote if you've got a convincing answer, but we're way too close to the end of D2 for me not to drop a vote and I just don't buy anonymously asking someone to roleclaim first thing on D2 as being in any way good for town I chose the recipient randomly. I was not going to reveal my role, but the confusion of two messengers and a potential lynch forced me. MC Eating Disorder posted:ok I want to say I see the connection here but I don't and you're gonna have to elaborate a little more on this please Because of MCS's lack of response, my assumption was that my message was not received due to a bus driver or he was scum. Now that I think about it, even if he didn't want to roleclaim, he could have said "hey I got message last night too that told me to do this but I'm not!" and prevented a lot of confusion. Combining this all together, I'm not thinking that's very "town behavior". ##unvote ##vote MEDS CURE SCHIZOS
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Mar 11, 2015 01:14
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King Burgundy posted:Is option A something you've actually seen before? Single town confirmed masons that flip as that when they die? That setup seems ridiculous to me. Who would do that? loving EXACTLY. NOBODY WOULD DO THAT, ERGO THERE IS ONE MASON LEFT AND THE MASONRY IS USELESS BECAUSE NEITHER NINTH NOR GOOD SIR DID poo poo TO BREADCRUMB. Nobody is confirmed anything as a result, except Ninth who is loving dead and still playing this game better than you are. loving christ. Someone clarify if he's always this dumb?
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Mar 11, 2015 01:14
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Cardinal Ximenez posted:I chose the recipient randomly. I was not going to reveal my role, but the confusion of two messengers and a potential lynch forced me. Tellin' a guy to roleclaim ain't exactly town behaviour either, friend.
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Mar 11, 2015 01:16
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Also, Cardinal is apparently upset that I wouldn't breadcrumb bulletproof to an anonymous message. Clearly, not wanting to give away "Can't be killed by nightkills" to someone who might be scum is not town behavior. I need a goddamm lobotomy to keep playing.
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Mar 11, 2015 01:17
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gently caress it. Magnus, I absolve you of all assholery in the name of Daddy, Junior, and Casper. Stop the madness. Just stop. ##vote Cardinal Ximinez
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Mar 11, 2015 01:19
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:loving EXACTLY. NOBODY WOULD DO THAT, ERGO THERE IS ONE MASON LEFT AND THE MASONRY IS USELESS BECAUSE NEITHER NINTH NOR GOOD SIR DID poo poo TO BREADCRUMB. I feel like you are the one that isn't getting it. But given I've had three interactions like this now with three different people in this game, you may well be right. But let me break it down for you: 1.You say option A is impossible. No Mod would do that. 2. This means there are at least two confirmed town masons in the game because we have a mod confirmed flip saying that there was one. 3. This means an un-countered mason claim is CONFIRMED town because there HAVE to be two. This seems like simple math to me. I'm not sure what is being missed.
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Mar 11, 2015 01:22
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King Burgundy posted:I feel like you are the one that isn't getting it. But given I've had three interactions like this now with three different people in this game, you may well be right. Even an uncountered claim is not confirmed until they flip.
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Mar 11, 2015 01:23
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Chic Trombone posted:Even an uncountered claim is not confirmed until they flip. So you think it is possible there was a single confirmed mason in this game?
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Mar 11, 2015 01:25
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That's obvious, though, and if this were anyone other than Betrayer I'd accuse them of fake anger.
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Mar 11, 2015 01:25
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King Burgundy posted:So you think it is possible there was a single confirmed mason in this game? No, I didn't say that. I said we can't treat anyone as actual confirmed town until they flip. That's how this game works. I believe Asiina's claim, yeah, so I think she's town, but she's not actually Confirmed Town. Also, Betrayer, take a deep breath buddy
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Mar 11, 2015 01:28
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Votecount for Day 2  Cardinal Ximenez (4): Rurea, Chic Trombone, Ernie. (2): CapitalistPig, Rurea, Magnus Gallant, MEDS CURE SCHIZOS (2): King Burgundy, Cardinal Ximenez Magnus Gallant (1): Ernie., MEDS CURE SCHIZOS, Chic Trombone (1): Magnus Gallant MC Eating Disorder (0): King Burgundy, Rurea (0): King Burgundy, Cardinal Ximenez, MiltonSlavemasta, Not Voting (3): AnonymousNarcotics, MiltonSlavemasta, RureaWith 13 alive, it's 7 votes to lynch. The current deadline is March 10th, 2015 at 10 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 1 hour, 30 minutes.
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Mar 11, 2015 01:29
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Chic Trombone posted:No, I didn't say that. I said we can't treat anyone as actual confirmed town until they flip. That's how this game works. I believe Asiina's claim, yeah, so I think she's town, but she's not actually Confirmed Town. Look, I get what you are saying. Blah blah no one is confirmed until flip yadda yadda. But this seems like a rare exception to me. Short of mod wankery, there would be two confirmed town masons in this game at the very least, after we saw one die and flip. If there wasn't a second there are very few excuses for why that would be: A)Mod puts only one confirmed town mason in the game B)Faked/wrong flip information about TNL That is it really.
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Mar 11, 2015 01:33
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...they're confirmed to each other, not us. They both know the other is town. Without that confirmation, they have no idea of each other's actual alignment and have to rely on trust. Is that so difficult?
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Mar 11, 2015 01:37
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:...they're confirmed to each other, not us. They both know the other is town. Without that confirmation, they have no idea of each other's actual alignment and have to rely on trust. That is a needlessly roundabout way to think about this
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Mar 11, 2015 01:40
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Opopanax posted:That is a needlessly roundabout way to think about this I know, but he still doesn't get it if we say it the other way like we did ten times before. I feel like I need a goddamn Powerpoint to explain this. Congratulations, King Burgundy. You are making me consider making a Powerpoint to explain something to you like you're in the military and need to be told not to rape people or drive drunk. I hope you're happy.
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Mar 11, 2015 01:42
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Also, we're nearing an hour to deadline.
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Mar 11, 2015 01:50
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:I know, but he still doesn't get it if we say it the other way like we did ten times before. We can table this for now, because yeah, I'm going to need that powerpoint. It isn't relevant as long as no one tries to cuddle Asiina, so I'll just save the rest of the argument for the general mafia thread after this game ends.
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Mar 11, 2015 02:10
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AN, Milton, Rurea? Since you three aren't in on this yet, Who do you want to vote?
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Mar 11, 2015 02:13
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And Ernie and Magnus, you two have your votes on people that do not look in any danger of going anywhere. Do you have any thoughts on the other vote leaders?
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Mar 11, 2015 02:17
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I got your back betrayer. ##vote card
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Mar 11, 2015 02:20
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WELLLLLLL I had my vote on Card. And then i re-read and he posted and it made me reconsider. Im very conflicted. I don't know if he would be my #1 scum pick right now, but he IS scummy.
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Mar 11, 2015 02:29
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its -2 right now with 30 minutes to go
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Mar 11, 2015 02:29
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I kind of believe his claim 
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Mar 11, 2015 02:30
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You could have just voted instead of waffled in an attempt to seem like you have a conscience.
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Mar 11, 2015 02:36
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Seriously, newbies and cowards alike, nobody is going to judge you for trying to avoid a no lynch.
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Mar 11, 2015 02:42
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:Seriously, newbies and cowards alike, nobody is going to judge you for trying to avoid a no lynch. THERE IS STILL TIME
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Mar 11, 2015 02:43
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nah nevermind ##vote cardinal
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Mar 11, 2015 02:44
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##vote cardinal
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Votecount for Day 2 Cardinal Ximenez (7): Rurea, Chic Trombone, MEDS CURE SCHIZOS (2): King Burgundy, Cardinal Ximenez Ernie. (1): CapitalistPig, Rurea, Magnus Gallant, Magnus Gallant (1): Ernie., MEDS CURE SCHIZOS, MC Eating Disorder (0): King Burgundy, Rurea (0): King Burgundy, Cardinal Ximenez, MiltonSlavemasta, Chic Trombone (0): Magnus Gallant, Not Voting (2): AnonymousNarcotics, MiltonSlavemasta With 13 alive, it's 7 votes to lynch. The current deadline is March 10th, 2015 at 10 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 12 minutes. 
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