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Gotta admit, it would be pretty funny to see a team be actually forced to use a driver in one of their cars.
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well really, they're all forced to, that's why the drivers have contracts. Sauber made the mistake of signing one they shouldn't have, apparently.
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Mar 11, 2015 08:17
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I'm confused why he thinks it's a good idea to force them to run him. A payout fine but if they have to run him they're just going to send it out without bothering to put oil in it or something. "Oh I'm sorry VDG, we're out of good front wings. But we've got this one from Simona's old Indycar she left us, that's probably as good".
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Mar 11, 2015 08:19
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Dudley posted:I'm confused why he thinks it's a good idea to force them to run him. A payout fine but if they have to run him they're just going to send it out without bothering to put oil in it or something. I think the speculation that it's a negotiating tactic might be right- it doesn't help his case that Sauber aren't sticking to their contract if he's sitting on the side acting like he has no intention to drive, per that same contract. Of course, he might actually have to drive since Sauber reportedly don't have the money to buy him out.
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Mar 11, 2015 08:22
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Dudley posted:"Oh I'm sorry VDG, we're out of good front wings. But we've got this one from Simona's old Indycar she left us, that's probably as good". The order precludes them from doing anything that stops him from participating. He's probably forcing them to run him because 1) there's no more seats left and 2) no one else is going to sign him anyway because he's a pay driver. It'd be like getting angry at Kimi for asking to be actually paid what he was owed after his time at Lotus.
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Mar 11, 2015 08:23
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As far as the "Team sabotages VDG's car" thing goes, there's precedent that the FIA would come down on them for this: Andrea Moda got thrown out of the sport for, among other things, blatantly running Perry McCarthy's car with no intention of having him qualify for a race.
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Mar 11, 2015 08:29
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Alain Post posted:As far as the "Team sabotages VDG's car" thing goes, there's precedent that the FIA would come down on them for this: Andrea Moda got thrown out of the sport for, among other things, blatantly running Perry McCarthy's car with no intention of having him qualify for a race. But surely there's nothing to stop them from putting Nasr/Ericssen in the car for every free practice session, giving the best parts to the other driver, always favouring the other driver in strategy etc etc which I think is what people are suggesting rather than forgetting to put fuel in or something. Either way the whole situation is a comedy and proof that the politics of F1 are far better than the on track stuff.
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Mar 11, 2015 08:55
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Notice me! Sorry to blue-ball you like that, I am writing Lewis' intro but I foolishly picked this weekend to move house so it might be late. P.S. I was an intern at Mercedes AMG HPP a couple of years ago, if you want somebody to write a blurb on the power units I'm up for that.
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Mar 11, 2015 09:01
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Pablo Bluth posted:
It's only a short duration because the cars cover the 300km distance (the distance that most races are) in a faster time. edit: Oh look, Wikipedia: "Formally, for a race to be called a Grand Prix, it should have a race distance of at least 300 km.[1] This rule can be said for every Grand Prix which was ever on the Formula 1 calendar with the exception of the Monaco Grand Prix – which has had a race distance of less than 300 km since 1968."
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Mar 11, 2015 09:09
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darth cookie posted:It's not like it's the same weekend as my birthday or anything. Get your own birthday! I made it very clear earlier in the thread that it's my birthday this weekend.
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Mar 11, 2015 09:11
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George Zimmer posted:Can whoever is doing Red Bull please include this forgotten gem:
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Mar 11, 2015 09:14
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Did you not see this one?
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Brainwrong posted:Get your own birthday! I made it very clear earlier in the thread that it's my birthday this weekend. Ok well mine is technically Friday so you can have this weekend then.
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Mar 11, 2015 09:20
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aequalis posted:It's only a short duration because the cars cover the 300km distance (the distance that most races are) in a faster time.
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Mar 11, 2015 10:01
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Wirth1000 posted:A little warning before posting track day bro!'s pic please. Im fatter and gayer than that guy.
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Mar 11, 2015 10:03
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Sebastian Vettel posted:But surely there's nothing to stop them from putting Nasr/Ericssen in the car for every free practice session, giving the best parts to the other driver, always favouring the other driver in strategy etc etc which I think is what people are suggesting rather than forgetting to put fuel in or something. Exactly. It was Perry I had in mind when I wrote the post actually, they did literally deliberately not put oil in his car once. But even if Sauber don't do anything deliberately, his mechanics are going to hate him and there just won't be the last 1% of effort in that car.
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Mar 11, 2015 10:13
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Pablo Bluth posted:The official rule is that "the distance of a Formula One race is the least number of laps exceeding 305 kilometres". I know why the race is over quickly, I just reckon the rule is wrong. The number of laps should be set for an estimated race time of ~1h30-1h40. Its entirely possible that if they tried that at Monza they'd run out of fuel.
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Mar 11, 2015 10:29
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I admit the introduction of a fuel limit has caused a problem for my long-held view. On the Sauber issue, I expect VDG to mysteriously fail a drug test. He'll protest his innocence, then years later we'll find out they spiked his drinks.
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Mar 11, 2015 10:42
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I just remembered Verstappen's age. Reminder - he is 17 years old!! And not like 17 and 364 days. He wont be 18 until a few days after the Japanese GP. He will knock about 21 - 22 months off the youngest driver to start a race record. (current holder Alguersuari 19 yrs 125 days) If he has a decent level of success it will look poo poo for F1 in my opinion.
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Mar 11, 2015 11:00
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FWIW, I agree that Monza is a bullshit race that's over too quickly and after the first chicane at the start of the race it's a foregone conclusion what the result will be. Hell, I even went to a race there (as I keep telling everyone) and I felt it was over too quickly.
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Mar 11, 2015 11:18
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Tried to look up this image, found instead that Christian Horner's parents aren't going to his wedding with Geri Halliwell because they think he's a bastard for leaving his pregnant partner of 14 years to shack up with a Spice Girl. 
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Mar 11, 2015 11:26
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vdg forcing out ericsson or nasr presumably jeopardizes funding that sauber needs to exist and thus pay its employees. none of the mechanics need to be told to hate vdg, they will do it on their own.
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Mar 11, 2015 11:31
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be nice wicka posted:vdg forcing out ericsson or nasr presumably jeopardizes funding that sauber needs to exist and thus pay its employees. none of the mechanics need to be told to hate vdg, they will do it on their own. Or they could hate their boss for getting them into this mess. Vdg actually has being likely dicked over by Sauber in common with his mechanics anyway, maybe they will unite around him.
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Mar 11, 2015 12:12
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Butt Wizard posted:Or they could hate their boss for getting them into this mess. their boss got them into a "mess" that presumably saved the existence of the team, do you really think they're going to be angry about having jobs?
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Mar 11, 2015 12:34
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I think it's important to remember that VdG already paid Sauber last year, with the intention that he was going to drive this year. Further, his main sponsor is likely his wife's billionaire father. So Sauber is not just loving him over, they're literally loving over his family. Only thing they haven't done at this point is literally hosed his wife (I think?). That's probably the motivation to try to screw them over so hard.
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Mar 11, 2015 12:35
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like i don't disagree that sauber hosed over van der garde, that fact isn't up for he debate, and he clearly deserves any money he paid back plus damages. but trying to force his way into a race seat, assuming it's not a negotiating tactic, is beyond stupid.
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Mar 11, 2015 12:38
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be nice wicka posted:like i don't disagree that sauber hosed over van der garde, that fact isn't up for he debate, and he clearly deserves any money he paid back plus damages. but trying to force his way into a race seat, assuming it's not a negotiating tactic, is beyond stupid. Yeah but it might just also be his father in law wanting to gently caress them over as hard as he can for having the audacity to steal from him.
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Mar 11, 2015 12:46
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Women should be banned from F1. First Clare Williams tries to burn down a pit garage and now that feckless woman at Sauber is signing every male racing driver on the planet regardless of contracts.
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Mar 11, 2015 12:47
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If Sauber were solvent enough to buy out Van der Garde's contract we wouldn't be here.
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Mar 11, 2015 12:52
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DAAS Kapitalist posted:If Sauber were solvent enough to buy out Van der Garde's contract we wouldn't be here. If Peter Sauber hadn't put his maid in charge of the team we wouldn't be here.
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Mar 11, 2015 13:13
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What's likely to happen is that van der Garde will be offered a drive for three to five races with a possible extension based on performance. That's as little and as much as Sauber can get away with without breaking somebody's contract. Sutil will be politely told to gently caress off, but they'll make him fourth permitted driver if he drops it.
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Mar 11, 2015 13:14
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Exactly. Contracts have to be upheld. Last year Sauber took VDG's money for a drive this year but then turned around and told him to gently caress off instead. It's a clear breach of contract and if they cannot pay him back the money with interest they have to let him drive.
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Just been going through TLTIJA's post on rules changes, because I never pay attention in the off-season to all this poo poo and like to catch up just before the season gets underway.. this one delights me:quote:As in 2014 lapped drivers may ‘unlap’ themselves by passing the safety car. However, the safety car will now no longer need to wait until the lapped cars have regained the tail of the field before heading to pit lane. ..thank gently caress, Martin Brundle will be pleased... along with millions of viewers who cannot stomach the thought of him moaning about it every time the safety car comes out. edit: for anyone that gives a monkeys -> http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2015/03/looking-ahead-to-melbourne-key-rule-changes-for-2015/
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be nice wicka posted:vdg forcing out ericsson or nasr presumably jeopardizes funding that sauber needs to exist and thus pay its employees. none of the mechanics need to be told to hate vdg, they will do it on their own. Hate the guy that paid their wages and kept them all in jobs last year, Sauber committed multi million pound fraud and I am surprised criminal charges haven't been brought.
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Mar 11, 2015 13:22
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Formula 1 sounds like a horrible sport, I hope nobody watches it.
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be nice wicka posted:their boss got them into a "mess" that presumably saved the existence of the team, do you really think they're going to be angry about having jobs? If they treat guys who give them 8 figures like poo poo, how much do you think they care about guys being paid 5?
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Mar 11, 2015 13:48
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I guess the worst case scenario (if he actually gets to drive, that is) is maybe they could share the car, but Sauber's sponsors are not going to be impressed with that.
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Mar 11, 2015 14:05
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I'm confused. How is Sebastian Vettel supposed to win his fifth WDC while Lewis, Nico and Mercedes remain so dominant? This season is broken already.
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You Am I posted:Nope, just haven't seen anything in the App Store yet, considering we are two days out of the first practice session It's because Bernie doesn't give a gently caress about the silly internet fad or the no-money-having kids who use it. Alain Post posted:well really, they're all forced to, that's why the drivers have contracts. Sauber made the mistake of signing one they shouldn't have, apparently. Didn't they actually sign 4 drivers? Am I remembering it wrong, or has the 4th guy just said "gently caress it"? MrL_JaKiri posted:Tried to look up this image, found instead that Christian Horner's parents aren't going to his wedding with Geri Halliwell because they think he's a bastard for leaving his pregnant partner of 14 years to shack up with a Spice Girl. At least it seems his parents were decent human beings. I hope Horner and his best man Vettel have a nice time. Then they get hit by lightning.
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