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The fact that potential whistleblowers were discouraged from coming forward, to me, is the most damning thing. The horrible treatment of the girls, the neglect and dereliction of duty by the officers and social workers on the ground, that's bad enough, but when people trying to actually address the issues are pushed back against, that's when this gets to conspiracy level poo poo. It doesn't surprise me that most people can turn a blind eye to abuse like this, bit quashing whistleblowers is not just willful ignorance, that's actively helping these actions occur. The management of those departments should be behind bars for the rest of their lives.
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Blooody hell. They might "give consent" but the bloody point of many of these laws is that a minor can't meaningfully give consent anyway. They themselves don't know what the hell. Even if certain men perceive them to be "naughty" that should not make any loving difference. gently caress I mean. Really. WTF
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We know that now, but you have to accept that attitudes were different back then and certain acts and attitudes which seem unspeakable today were just the done thing back then. We've come a long way since 2012.
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Jose posted:Everyone involved should lose their job Woah, steady on mate, let's not be too harsh here. I mean those cops will only have their generous pensions to fall back on.
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Jose posted:Everyone involved should lose their job Is exile still a thing? Are there no coal mines in Austrailia to ship these people to?
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Party Plane Jones posted:Is exile still a thing? Are there no coal mines in Austrailia to ship these people to? No coal mines, but there's a couple of education departments you can be packed off to. Murderion fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:The fact that potential whistleblowers were discouraged from coming forward, to me, is the most damning thing. The horrible treatment of the girls, the neglect and dereliction of duty by the officers and social workers on the ground, that's bad enough, but when people trying to actually address the issues are pushed back against, that's when this gets to conspiracy level poo poo. I think this is the most disturbing thing. It's less that there was a conscious conspiracy, more than the organisations involved were/are unconsciously designed to prevent allegations like this from gaining traction. Everybody is accountable to somebody, everyone is implicated, nobody wants to rock the boat. Chances are that anyone with the inclinations or courage to stand up to authority wouldn't succeed in these organisations, so they gradually become wholly managed by cowardly fucks who'd rather sweep unpleasantness under the rug than risk anything. Necrothatcher fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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Gosh I never thought I would praise the efficiency and transparency of our system in responding to trafficking of minors, but here I am.
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Serotonin posted:It's not incompetence. It's wilful classism and rape culture shite. For once, it's not just classism. Police have never given a drat about kids being raped. And neither have schools. Nor churches. Nor Temples. And all the rest. It's always been the child who gets blamed.
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Serotonin posted:It's not incompetence. It's wilful classism and rape culture shite. Children of all social classes are being raped by gangs http://www.childrenscommissioner.gov.uk/content/publications/content_580
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Zombywuf posted:Children of all social classes are being raped by gangs http://www.childrenscommissioner.gov.uk/content/publications/content_580 I'm very angry having read this.
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Zombywuf posted:Children of all social classes are being raped by gangs http://www.childrenscommissioner.gov.uk/content/publications/content_580 But those of lower social class are more vulnerable and have less avenues to go to in crisis E: though apparently even upper class get molested by family members, whooooo 
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:E: though apparently even upper class get molested by family members, whooooo I assume you're referring to the reported abuses in Hampstead (a pretty affluent area of London). The thing about it happening in upper class families is I believe they have more resources to organise and keep social and justice services under their thumb.
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The Daily Beast sums up the Thatcher administration's protection of child abusers. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/06/britain-s-horrific-vip-pedophile-cover-up.html
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Arsenic Lupin posted:The Daily Beast sums up the Thatcher administration's protection of child abusers. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/06/britain-s-horrific-vip-pedophile-cover-up.html gently caress, I'd heard a lot of that already, but laid out as well as that 
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Arsenic Lupin posted:The Daily Beast sums up the Thatcher administration's protection of child abusers. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/06/britain-s-horrific-vip-pedophile-cover-up.html There's a "prolific abuse of miners" joke in there just waiting to be plucked.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:The Daily Beast sums up the Thatcher administration's protection of child abusers. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/06/britain-s-horrific-vip-pedophile-cover-up.html So Don Hale's story has changed yet again - at first he was just claiming that he had information about one nonce and he got served a D-Notice, now he's claiming that he had info supplied to him by Barbara Castle (who chose to entrust the biggest political story of the century to her local paper, and also neither her nor this guy had apparently heard of "photocopiers") about an entire network and 15 Special Branch officers stormed his office to seize papers. Also he's now claiming the papers carried protective markings which have never existed ("for your eyes only" is a loving Bond film, for fucks sake, and "Eyes Only" - the actual protective marking - would have been alongside other protective markings that are way more memorable than the ones he mentioned). I said when he first came forward his story seemed unlikely, but this is just plain bullshit.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:So Don Hale's story has changed yet again - at first he was just claiming that he had information about one nonce and he got served a D-Notice, now he's claiming that he had info supplied to him by Barbara Castle (who chose to entrust the biggest political story of the century to her local paper, and also neither her nor this guy had apparently heard of "photocopiers") about an entire network and 15 Special Branch officers stormed his office to seize papers. Also he's now claiming the papers carried protective markings which have never existed ("for your eyes only" is a loving Bond film, for fucks sake, and "Eyes Only" - the actual protective marking - would have been alongside other protective markings that are way more memorable than the ones he mentioned). I don't know about any of that, but why would you take a story to the Bury Messenger when you could take it to the Manchester Evening News?
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goddamnedtwisto posted:So Don Hale's story has changed yet again - at first he was just claiming that he had information about one nonce and he got served a D-Notice, now he's claiming that he had info supplied to him by Barbara Castle (who chose to entrust the biggest political story of the century to her local paper, and also neither her nor this guy had apparently heard of "photocopiers") about an entire network and 15 Special Branch officers stormed his office to seize papers. Also he's now claiming the papers carried protective markings which have never existed ("for your eyes only" is a loving Bond film, for fucks sake, and "Eyes Only" - the actual protective marking - would have been alongside other protective markings that are way more memorable than the ones he mentioned). Do you think this discredits the whole scandal?
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goddamnedtwisto posted:So Don Hale's story has changed yet again - at first he was just claiming that he had information about one nonce and he got served a D-Notice, now he's claiming that he had info supplied to him by Barbara Castle (who chose to entrust the biggest political story of the century to her local paper, and also neither her nor this guy had apparently heard of "photocopiers") about an entire network and 15 Special Branch officers stormed his office to seize papers. Also he's now claiming the papers carried protective markings which have never existed ("for your eyes only" is a loving Bond film, for fucks sake, and "Eyes Only" - the actual protective marking - would have been alongside other protective markings that are way more memorable than the ones he mentioned). There are going to be people jumping on the bandwagon for personal gain, expect a lot of books and what not to be authored.
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FAUXTON posted:There's a "prolific abuse of miners" joke in there just waiting to be plucked. Has any other woman ever been responsible for so many min(e/o)rs getting hosed?
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Arsenic Lupin posted:The Daily Beast sums up the Thatcher administration's protection of child abusers. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/06/britain-s-horrific-vip-pedophile-cover-up.html Uh OK it pretty much seems like Britain has always been ruled by authoritarian conspiracy and Floor 13 was understating the case?
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goddamnedtwisto posted:So Don Hale's story has changed yet again What exactly has changed from this report last July? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...estminster.html
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:Do you think this discredits the whole scandal? No, not at all. I just think it hurts serious investigative efforts when people put up such dodgy stories. Maybe there's even a kernel of truth in what he's saying (I acknowledged as such when his first version came out) but gilding the lily only serves to make it easier to dismiss legitimate stories. Zombywuf posted:What exactly has changed from this report last July? Well, the three officers in that story with a D Notice have become 15 officers with a D Notice and a search warrant - as I've already pointed out, D notices just don't work that way and presumably someone told him that. There's no mention of Cyril Smith putting the pressure on or of the documents being protectively marked, the timescale has changed between him getting the dossier and the raid, and there's still the hole that you can ride a coach and horses through of neither he nor Barbara Castle thought to make copies of the documents that would be the key part of the biggest political story of the century, and that Barbara Castle just went "Meh, okay, may as well let the pedos do their thing" after all this happens. I'll be very charitable and say that maybe he heard some gossip, maybe even from Barbara Castle, about this story, he nudged around, and was warned off. That seems totally plausible and in line with what has happened in the past. Over time he's bigged the story up in the pub (journalists are the most notorious bullshitters on the planet) and now he's getting some publicity from it.
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Chadderbox posted:Has any other woman ever been responsible for so many min(e/o)rs getting hosed? That hag in Australia might be a contender but her pedophilia ring hasn't been uncovered yet. E: Gina Rinehart is the hag in question.
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Exaro reporting reporting the police raided two homes of Leon Brittan, as well as the homes of former Tory MP Harvey Proctor, and Lord Bramall, all at the same time.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Well, the three officers in that story with a D Notice have become 15 officers with a D Notice and a search warrant - as I've already pointed out, D notices just don't work that way and presumably someone told him that. quote:There's no mention of Cyril Smith putting the pressure on or of the documents being protectively marked, the timescale has changed between him getting the dossier and the raid, quote:and there's still the hole that you can ride a coach and horses through of neither he nor Barbara Castle thought to make copies of the documents that would be the key part of the biggest political story of the century, and that Barbara Castle just went "Meh, okay, may as well let the pedos do their thing" after all this happens. I mean, given the utter failure to do anything about Saville by anyone I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt on this one. quote:I'll be very charitable and say that maybe he heard some gossip, maybe even from Barbara Castle, about this story, he nudged around, and was warned off. That seems totally plausible and in line with what has happened in the past. Over time he's bigged the story up in the pub (journalists are the most notorious bullshitters on the planet) and now he's getting some publicity from it.
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FAUXTON posted:That hag in Australia might be a contender but her pedophilia ring hasn't been uncovered yet. I'm pretty sure Gina just bakes them into pies in her gingerbread house. Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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Geez you can see why politicians are so happy for the War On Terror, the only leverage the security services used to have on them were the CP pix.
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FAUXTON posted:There's a "prolific abuse of miners" joke in there just waiting to be plucked. I think the only thing more prophetic than The Onion's Bush Inauguration piece is this one by Frank Turner now.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31907201quote:Metropolitan Police probed over child abuse 'cover-up' claims Salt the earth
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I expect this is all bollocks too eh GDT? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31908431 quote:Officers were then ordered to hand over all their evidence - including notebooks and video footage - and were warned to keep quiet about the investigation or face prosecution under the Official Secrets Act, it is claimed.
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Serotonin posted:I expect this is all bollocks too eh GDT? You're absolutely right, calling out obvious bullshit from one person means I believe every single person in power is pure as the driven snow and literally nothing at all ever happened ever.
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So I don't think this has been posted http://news.sky.com/story/1442551/was-man-murdered-for-exposing-paedophile-ringquote:Police investigating Westminster-linked child abuse are examining whether a man was murdered because he was about to expose a paedophile ring operating within a London council.
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Zombywuf posted:So I don't think this has been posted http://news.sky.com/story/1442551/was-man-murdered-for-exposing-paedophile-ring  This is like... I can't even think of an equivalent scandal that's come to light holy poo poo
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:
And Theresa May says there's more to come. Theresa May posted:I think what we what have seen so far is the tip of the iceberg and society will be shocked when they see to what extent this is an issue around the UK http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/child-abuse-whistleblowers-should-have-immunity-from-arrest-says-theresa-may-10114881.html Can't help but think she's playing with fire here.
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