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Low Desert Punk posted:Do you guys think Josh was good at his job? I know each of the senior staffers have duties that largely go unseen, but it seems like Josh fucks up really often compared to everyone else. We know he's incredibly gifted in large-scale political process from what the characters tell us and how he runs the Santos campaign, but it never seemed like he fit very well as DCoS. I asked more-or-less that same question before (god, years ago now  ) and I think we came up with "it's TV and him always being awesome would be boring".LesterGroans posted:He gets Santos elected president, and he helped get Bartlet elected too. Also, there are a bunch of other victories throughout(the one that got Amy fired, fixing the Shutdown, etc.) just his fuckups are more interesting because they're fewer and far between. That's why the pilot is weirder to look back on. Bartlet would never consider firing Josh for that. Pilots get a lot of leeway for character work though.
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Screwup situations make for better TV than an office full of people doing their jobs competently and never making mistakes.
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Mar 14, 2015 20:03
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There are so many variables you can t control in policy work, gently caress ups are inevitable. Josh wasn't bad at it. I've seen real life people involved in lobbying gently caress up five times as bad and still be employed.
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Mar 14, 2015 20:11
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Josh fucks up a lot, but he also absolutely nails some things. I think that's kind of a trend of the Bartlet presidency - these smart, diligent, passionate, and capable people running the country can't fix all the problems. Also, it makes more sense for Josh to take more on the chin than Leo. Give him 10-20 years and he'd probably make fewer mistakes.
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Mar 14, 2015 21:07
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The first few episodes are great, because Josh gets all the Sam storylines for the first 3 or so episodes and absolutely crushes them, so they start writing him into the A plot more often than not and Sam gets the crappy C plot.
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Mar 15, 2015 03:14
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I like the revelation that Sam made like $800,000 a year as a lawyer. Way more than Cj and probably more than what CJ and Josh made combined before their political careers. On top of that he's awesome and awkward in a cute way and super smart? Wtf Sorkin why did you put yourself in the show like that.
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Mar 15, 2015 04:02
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Wasn't CJ making big bucks doing PR in California before the Bartlett campaign came calling? Or am I mixing up the timeline?
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BobTheCow posted:Wasn't CJ making big bucks doing PR in California before the Bartlett campaign came calling? Or am I mixing up the timeline? She was fired the day Toby came to get her for the campaign but she did seem to be making a decent salary but probably not as high as 800k.
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BobTheCow posted:Wasn't CJ making big bucks doing PR in California before the Bartlett campaign came calling? Or am I mixing up the timeline? When Toby was recruiting her she said her salary was $500k and he countered with $600 a week
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Mar 15, 2015 04:20
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Mu Zeta posted:When Toby was recruiting her she said her salary was $500k and he countered with $600 a week https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsM_eeUyOBs#t=2m20s
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Mar 15, 2015 20:04
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Josh Lyman did some consulting for OCP in Robocop 3, if anyone cares.
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Mar 29, 2015 19:08
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Also, Danny Concannon worked for Playtronics in 1992, pretending to be an NSA-agent.
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brylcreem posted:Also, Danny Concannon worked for Playtronics in 1992, pretending to be an NSA-agent. Currently Danny is a criminal attorney in North Carolina who turned down a child murder case (until the suspect is actually arrested)
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"Duchamp was the father of Dadaism." "I know." "The dada of Dada." "... It's like there's nothing you can do about that joke. It's coming and you just have to stand there." Every loving time.
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Rewatching The Drop In, and the finest minds in the Democratic Party not knowing what a lynx is is cracking me the gently caress up. "I dunno, I think it's like a possum or something."
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"I think this might be because the wood is wet." "Well the fire should dry it pretty quick, shouldn't it?" "You'd think."
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"Donna, can you get us some dried leaves?" "Sure thing, I'll just run out to the forest and be right back."
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"You wanna stand them in a tripod, yeah?" "Yeah, standing three sticks on end and slanting them to a common centre." "Isn't that a tripod?" "Yeah, but..." "You just thought you'd say more words?" "Yeah." aaronsorkin.txt
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May 11, 2015 07:24
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Rewatching this for the first time in a year or two with someone who hasn't ever seen anything by Sorkin. God this show starts off rougher than I remember.
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May 12, 2015 14:47
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king of no pants posted:Rewatching this for the first time in a year or two with someone who hasn't ever seen anything by Sorkin. Somebody should make a re-edit of season one without Mandy in it, like that edit of star wars episodes 1-3 where they took out all the boring politics and jar jar and ended up with a pretty good long movie.
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FetusSlapper posted:Somebody should make a re-edit of season one without Mandy in it, like that edit of star wars episodes 1-3 where they took out all the boring politics and jar jar and ended up with a pretty good long movie. It's not a good long movie. It's disjointed as well, because, surprise surprise, when you edit after the fact with footage that was never meant to be seen that way, it doesn't just magically work out somehow.
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I loving love rewatching this show with people. Yes it's a tad dated in parts. But holy poo poo, just finished season 2 and watched Two Cathedrals with my dad (first time for him). Whatever you can say about Sorkin, there hasn't been anything quite like that finale since, nor will there ever be.
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May 15, 2015 23:47
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I just started rewatching this show on Netflix after not seeing it in years and goddamn was it good in the beginning. NBC could probably air this now during the summer and it would be one of the highest rated shows on TV for the next couple months.
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Lord John Marbury, the UK’s Ambassador to the United States, has died.
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Jul 11, 2015 13:23
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RIP Lord John Marbury. That's a shame, Roger Rees was relatively young.
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Jul 11, 2015 13:30
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Let us grasp the First Lady's breasts in his honor.
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Jul 11, 2015 18:01
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I'm sad about this. I think the remedy is a strong shot of whiskey.
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I'm being coerced into watching the West Wing for the first time, and I'm actually enjoying it far more than I'd anticipated. There's about as much self-congratulatory, mawkish fawning over the American political process as I'd expected, but at least it goes to the effort of portraying a super-idealized administration that almost merits it. One thing that is really starting to annoy me though is the fact that as far as I can tell, whether Jed, Leo, Fitzwallace, and Nancy (or most of the rest of the cast for that matter, if to a lesser degree) are going to be hawkish or not when military intervention is being discussed seems to hinge on a coin toss. Is there some sort of consistency below the surface I'm missing, or is it just lazy writing?
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Are you still on season 1? The cloying sentimental and sweeping musical cues drop off significantly once you finish the first season. They never go away completely, there's a few every season, but the tone and look of season 1 is far more dated than the stuff that comes afterwards. For the hawkish thing, I'd never noticed that but I think I agree with you thinking back. I think it's the second episode with the proportional response and Bartlett and Leo's big argument about war that is the biggest statement about warmongering, but that's so early that Sorkin probably changed his mind about the character a few scripts in. They're basically all big liberal pussies the rest of the show.
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I don't really accept that a meritorious leader should be "hawkish" or not without a distinction in purpose. To that end, I think the characters acquit themselves reasonably, when it's said and done. Bartlett is, by the third season, again portrayed as being nervous and compulsive about a military affair where he wants to go get his guys, and Leo again preaches restraint. CJ is eager, on several occasions, to agitate, when it comes to alliances of convenience with desert theocracies where they beat women. And there's Toby with the ever-coherent standpoint of "they'll like us when we win!" policy of maximal foreign aid as the primary means of getting his way in the long run, which is consistent with his zealous defense of cultural spending in general.
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I wonder if Charlie ever regretted meeting Zoey first, and not Ellie.
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Ellie wouldn't have matched him in his service to the President and his love of the White House. Charlie was a charismatic and driven dude and he hooked up with the available Bartlett daughter who was down for that. Ellie had daddy issues and got what she went looking for: an empty suit with zero convictions or capacity to hold the limelight.
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For some reason I thought Hope Davis played Ellie. drat they look similar.
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Eikre posted:Ellie wouldn't have matched him in his service to the President and his love of the White House. Charlie was a charismatic and driven dude and he hooked up with the available Bartlett daughter who was down for that. Ellie had daddy issues and got what she went looking for: an empty suit with zero convictions or capacity to hold the limelight. I was talking about looks, and not convictions  Josh Lyman posted:For some reason I thought Hope Davis played Ellie. drat they look similar. Yeah!
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Hoops posted:Are you still on season 1? The cloying sentimental and sweeping musical cues drop off significantly once you finish the first season. They never go away completely, there's a few every season, but the tone and look of season 1 is far more dated than the stuff that comes afterwards. Bryter must at least be in season 2, because I'm pretty sure Nancy's first appearance is in the first episode of season 2.
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brylcreem posted:I was talking about looks, and not convictions Are you implying there's someone cuter than Elisabeth Moss?
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brylcreem posted:I was talking about looks, and not convictions Yeesh, hope your wife/girlfriend doesn't have a cute sister.
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BSam posted:Are you implying there's someone cuter than Elisabeth Moss? Yes. Wanna fight me?
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