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Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


Bhodi posted:

If you're money focused and you think you're doing good in IT, Moana made 250k+ last year writing romance novels and a few years ago the Mitanni made several million and who knows how much those people in the day trading thread make but it's probably a lot. It's unlikely in the extreme that you'll be getting anywhere those numbers taking advice from this subforum, so you'll probably want to go elsewhere to chase your dream of owning a baby giraffe who lays golden eggs.

As far as I know and another poster already alluded to this the best way to make great money (>$250k) is to start your own business or invent something. As for IT not being bringing in large sums, how many authors and day traders never get their big break?

I'm very envious of those that have been able to stay at a company so long, that's pretty incredible.

On another note, I spent all day with a NimbleStorage rep going their products with training. Their SANs appear to be solid. They made their own filesystem that moves the "hot" data to tiers - NVRAM,RAM then SSD. Even against all-flash systems with enough SSD for caching the performance is incredibly close for nearly all environments. Setup and management is all done through a well designed web-interface without any plug-ins. There also big a Cisco Partner and we have a brief UCS overview which also seems better than any hardware I've ever seen.

I'm very impressed. While I'm just tech and don't deal with pricing I've been told by all our sales reps it's very competitive. I'm happy we're moving in good direction but it looks like all my time spent with IBM Hardware wasn't the best investment.

Gucci Loafers fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Mar 21, 2015

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Bhodi
Dec 9, 2007

Oh, it's just a cat.
Pillbug
The tragic part about all this is that KillHour truly believes he can rise through the ranks from lowly technician to CEO or just go off and form a successful company and spend his evenings on jets and yachts and he was told he actually wants this by our fantastic marketing. So is going to spend the next decade of his life making sacrifices to try and get closer and closer to that Sisyphean goal.

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!


Tab8715 posted:

As far as I know and another poster already alluded to this the best way to make great money (>$250k) is to start your own business. As for IT not being bringing in large sums, how many authors and day traders never get their big break?

I'm very envious of those that have been able to stay at a company so long, that's pretty incredible.

On another note, I just spent all day with a NimbleStorage rep going their products with training. Their SANs appear to be incredibly solid. They made their own filesystem that moves the "hot" data to tiers - NVRAM,RAM then SSD. Even against all-flash systems with enough SSD for caching the performance is incredibly close for nearly most environments. Setup and management is all done through a well designed web-interface without any plug-ins. There also big a Cisco Partner and we have a brief UCS overview which also seem like great product.

I'm very impressed and while I'm just tech and don't deal with pricing I've been told by all our sales reps it's very competitive. I'm happy we're moving in good direction but it looks like all my time spent with IBM Hardware wasn't be the best investment.

Their own filesystem gives me scares. They have any white papers for it?

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


jaegerx posted:

Their own filesystem gives me scares. They have any white papers for it?

CASL Architecture

adorai
Nov 2, 2002

10/27/04 Never forget
Grimey Drawer
Nimble is pretty great, so far my main complaint is a lack of powershell awesomeness. You can do some stuff, but not everything yet. Performance wise, it's unbelievable what they can deliver in 3u.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
people still think theyre gonna get rich by investing paltry sums into an ira what

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


adorai posted:

Nimble is pretty great, so far my main complaint is a lack of powershell awesomeness. You can do some stuff, but not everything yet. Performance wise, it's unbelievable what they can deliver in 3u.

What do you mean? They still have a command-line, various plug-ins but it's a SAN once it's setup it's setup?

At least as far as I know that's how it is and seems to be...

Alder
Sep 24, 2013

jaegerx posted:

How the hell did a guy make millions off being an eve sperg lord? You might as well just yell stupid poo poo while streaming like pew die pie.

Lots of people have tried to be pretend scared while playing video games but right now the market is too saturated.

To become rich you need starting capital. Then you need to initiate a long ongoing war of attrition for mysterious reasons :v:

Reminds me, I did ask the same question to a friend at SV he doubted my plans said that help desk might actually be HR work. Oh well.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Bhodi posted:

The tragic part about all this is that KillHour truly believes he can rise through the ranks from lowly technician to CEO or just go off and form a successful company and spend his evenings on jets and yachts and he was told he actually wants this by our fantastic marketing. So is going to spend the next decade of his life making sacrifices to try and get closer and closer to that Sisyphean goal.

Yep. After a certain point at which you're making enough to be financially secure, the amount of money you make becomes somewhat arbitrary unless you somehow manage to become a multimillionaire. Yeah it might mean you can afford a slightly nicer car, an extra vacation, or a sightly larger cookiecutter McMansion, but it's effectively all just degrees of the same thing; being upper middle class is a glass ceiling built upon trying to stand out by trying to fit in.

I'm more interested in enjoying what I do and having time for my friends and hobbies, which is why I don't see the point of working 80 hours a week to help someone else's bottom line when you don't have any time to enjoy your life or even your money. If it's your own business, that makes sense because there's a certain level of fulfillment that comes from that, but the DAF/CF approach to working boggles my mind.

psydude fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Mar 21, 2015

adorai
Nov 2, 2002

10/27/04 Never forget
Grimey Drawer

Tab8715 posted:

What do you mean? They still have a command-line, various plug-ins but it's a SAN once it's setup it's setup?

At least as far as I know that's how it is and seems to be...
I would like to script out our DR process to make it as idiot proof as possible. With powercli and the proper netapp plugins it was easy with netapp, and it's possible though not easy on an oracle zfs appliance. It is thus far not possible as far as I can tell with Nimble.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Alder posted:

Reminds me, I did ask the same question to a friend at SV he doubted my plans said that help desk might actually be HR work. Oh well.

Generally, no. At most companies Help Desk = 1st line end-user IT support.

HOWEVER, your friend does have a point. Because my company does have an HR Help Desk. But they're pretty careful to actually call it "HR Help Desk" and not "Help Desk" specifically to avoid that confusion. It does make me wonder how many calls the IT Help Desk gets regarding 401k and how many printer calls go into HR.

adorai
Nov 2, 2002

10/27/04 Never forget
Grimey Drawer

flosofl posted:

Generally, no. At most companies Help Desk = 1st line end-user IT support.

HOWEVER, your friend does have a point. Because my company does have an HR Help Desk. But they're pretty careful to actually call it "HR Help Desk" and not "Help Desk" specifically to avoid that confusion. It does make me wonder how many calls the IT Help Desk gets regarding 401k and how many printer calls go into HR.
My company added some support positions that they called helpdesk, with no internal product identifier. So they have "Help Desk Specialists" and we have "Help Desk Technicians". I'm not sure what they were thinking.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



psydude posted:

If it's your own business, that makes sense because there's a certain level of fulfillment that comes from that, but the DAF/CF approach to working boggles my mind.

I keep seeing references to this. When I was reading this thread before, he was still posting. Did he have a huge meltdown in this thread or something?

Bhodi
Dec 9, 2007

Oh, it's just a cat.
Pillbug

22 Eargesplitten posted:

I keep seeing references to this. When I was reading this thread before, he was still posting. Did he have a huge meltdown in this thread or something?

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3653857&pagenumber=90&perpage=40#post438286089

goobernoodles
May 28, 2011

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Tab8715 posted:

...but it looks like all my time spent with IBM Hardware wasn't the best investment.
Wait, you worked for IBM? You didn't support SAN's did you?

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Oh, okay.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

22 Eargesplitten posted:

I keep seeing references to this. When I was reading this thread before, he was still posting. Did he have a huge meltdown in this thread or something?

The highpoint was when he unironically made the statement that's now the thread title. Then went on another rant about "lol i make more money than everyone in this thread combined". Which is good, since the liver transplant he's going to need by age 30 will be pretty expensive.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



It's funny, whenever people talk about materialism in our culture, the initial response is that nobody actually buys into it. And then you have living counter-examples like him. Someone who unironically says that he has lots of money, so who cares if he spends all his time at work (where he can't spend it).

It's like the IT version of oilfield workers, except oilfield workers work two weeks on, one week off. And most of them don't plan on doing it forever.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

jaegerx posted:

Their own filesystem gives me scares. They have any white papers for it?

Most storage vendors these days run some version of a proprietary filesystem on their hardware these days. Generally it's a combination of filesystem, volume manager, and software raid. NetApp uses WAFL, Oracle uses ZFS, Nimble uses CASL, Tegile uses a modified version of ZFS, Dell uses Fluid FS, Tintri uses Tintri OS....

These are generally redirect-on-write filesystems in the spirit of ZFS, often with some special metadata handling and write coalescing. There are a lot of benefits to building storage arrays with an integrated filesystem and volume manager, versus providing dumb block storage and letting the host dictate data placement. Snapshots and cloning fall out for free from a lot of the implementations, and treating all data as a piece of a file means that the storage can do all sorts of things with the physical blocks underneath as along as it maintains the logical structure of the file.

Tab8715 posted:

What do you mean? They still have a command-line, various plug-ins but it's a SAN once it's setup it's setup?

At least as far as I know that's how it is and seems to be...

As Adorai alluded to, if you want to make things 100% repeatable then scripting is the easiest way to do it. Even in relatively small environments storage isn't generally set and forget. If you're buying Nimble you're probably taking snapshots at minimum, so you are going to be cloning volumes for recovery and mounting those volumes to make them accessible, and there are some opportunities there to streamline the process with scripting. Likewise for DR or just general provisioning a robust scripting toolkit is very useful. As you start to scale to managing tens or hundreds of devices it becomes even more important to maintain consistency between them, and scripting provisioning and configuration makes that much easier.

Join us in the Enterprise Storage Megathread if you're interested in Nimble. Lots of people there with experience using it.

Che Delilas
Nov 23, 2009
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22 Eargesplitten posted:

It's funny, whenever people talk about materialism in our culture, the initial response is that nobody actually buys into it. And then you have living counter-examples like him. Someone who unironically says that he has lots of money, so who cares if he spends all his time at work (where he can't spend it).

It wasn't just that, it's that he acted like he won the thread or something because of it.

CloFan
Nov 6, 2004

I just want to make enough to afford my car and my house, along with a few hobbies. I guess that's why I'm working government in the middle of nowhere

Bhodi
Dec 9, 2007

Oh, it's just a cat.
Pillbug
I was curious - looks like DAF lives in ATDRW now.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Che Delilas posted:

It wasn't just that, it's that he acted like he won the thread or something because of it.

My favorite part was that he wasn't even that well paid. He was making like 95k in NOVA which is comfortable but by not a lot of money for that market. He also bragged about having a base model 3 series, aka the preferred mode of transportation of real estate agents and rich college girls.

It was, to paraphrase The Office, the least amount of success I've ever seen go to someone's head.

Alder
Sep 24, 2013

In a unrelated note, I asked my friend who majored in CS (minor math idek) if he worked in IT support and he reprimanded me stating his official job title is "web analyst." Otherwise known as maintaining the official site of the business and doing other basic tasks required of interns.

Someday I, too, wish to become one but after I schedule that A+ cert am I one step closer to this dream or not? Instead is this going to be my green light :v:

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Bhodi posted:

The tragic part about all this is that KillHour truly believes he can rise through the ranks from lowly technician to CEO or just go off and form a successful company and spend his evenings on jets and yachts and he was told he actually wants this by our fantastic marketing. So is going to spend the next decade of his life making sacrifices to try and get closer and closer to that Sisyphean goal.

Are you smoking crack? I work in technical sales, not break fix. And I don't want to be CEO, or even management. I just said I want enough money to buy some nice things. A $100k+ salary isn't outrageous for a sales engineer to aspire to.

KillHour fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Mar 22, 2015

crunk dork
Jan 15, 2006

alder posted:

a+ stuff
It couldn't hurt, it will help you get past bullshit HR filters and get in somewhere where you have more opportunities than if you hadn't gotten it.

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!


Working in IT 4.0. Where we all get rich, just not DAF rich.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


goobernoodles posted:

Wait, you worked for IBM? You didn't support SAN's did you?

No, just for a Business Partner.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



KillHour posted:

Are you smoking crack? I work in technical sales, not break fix. And I don't want to be CEO, or even management. I just said I want enough money to buy some nice things. A $100k+ salary isn't outrageous for a sales engineer to aspire to.

Yeah, I thought Roargasm was the one that wanted to Scrooge McDuck.

SSH IT ZOMBIE
Apr 19, 2003
No more blinkies! Yay!
College Slice
In the back of my head I've been sorta wanting to get out of infrastructure and application administration and get more into business intelligence and reporting. Is that a bad move? Internally it might be somewhat easy-ish to transfer if and when something pops up.

SSH IT ZOMBIE fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Mar 23, 2015

the spyder
Feb 18, 2011
New job starts in one week and the vacation in between has been amazing. I've been catching up on projects around the house and reading/preparing for the new job.

I'm not sure how to ask this, but I've been given the opportunity to start from the ground up building a new IT department for a ~500 person company. Helpdesk is covered by another team memeber, but suggestions are welcome.
I have two major issues I have to resolve. 1) IT is known as being terrible. It's on everyone's mind and I want to change this. Standardizing our helpdesk and rebuilding the networks will help, but only so much. 2) It's a fresh start. I can go with anything hardware wise. There's some EMC/Cisco/HP gear at the second HQ, otherwise it's a clean slate. Any suggestions are welcome. I want to make this place not only a great place to work IT wise, but a place where everything just works and IT is on top of things. What makes your job great? What makes you want to work on tough projects? Basically, how can I ensure I'm a good boss/leader. I've read the complaints, issues, nightmarish stories people have told on here and I want to avoid that as much as possible.

SyNack Sassimov
May 4, 2006

Let the robot win.
            --Captain James T. Vader


the spyder posted:

New job starts in one week and the vacation in between has been amazing. I've been catching up on projects around the house and reading/preparing for the new job.

I'm not sure how to ask this, but I've been given the opportunity to start from the ground up building a new IT department for a ~500 person company. Helpdesk is covered by another team memeber, but suggestions are welcome.
I have two major issues I have to resolve. 1) IT is known as being terrible. It's on everyone's mind and I want to change this. Standardizing our helpdesk and rebuilding the networks will help, but only so much. 2) It's a fresh start. I can go with anything hardware wise. There's some EMC/Cisco/HP gear at the second HQ, otherwise it's a clean slate. Any suggestions are welcome. I want to make this place not only a great place to work IT wise, but a place where everything just works and IT is on top of things. What makes your job great? What makes you want to work on tough projects? Basically, how can I ensure I'm a good boss/leader. I've read the complaints, issues, nightmarish stories people have told on here and I want to avoid that as much as possible.

I don't have direct experience with this, but what I've seen people post in the past is basically protect your people and make sure expectations are managed (both theirs and more importantly the rest of the org's). If people are used to dumping projects on IT and demanding they be done in two days, no one is going to be happy and you're never going to get expectations to change.

Secondly, make sure your department is built for proactive rather than reactive responses. Basic things like making sure hardware & software works well together, redundancy is paramount (so that any one failure isn't an emergency, I knew one guy who basically tried to build things so that he didn't need to set up pages for failures at 3 AM because the systems were supposedly so redundant it would never be an emergency, though I'm not sure I would do this myself no matter how redundant things are), and ultimately seeking out and fulfilling the actual organizational needs in an organized / calculated fashion, rather than responding to tickets about needing some piece of software with "uh....why do we need this oh you need to get it ASAP OK well here you go aaaaah OK next fire".

Finally, my overarching goal is always the right tool for the right job, and making sure you find the balance between letting users have an enjoyable experience (i.e. not locked down to hell and back) while making sure you maintain the consistency & level of control you need to make the experience a good one. Things like not necessarily letting Macs in the organization without something like Casper, or having a firmly defined policy in terms of admin rights, software that can be installed on machines, etc. If the company is "modern", meaning BYOD & letting users do what they want, you may have a somewhat uphill struggle organizational inertia-wise convincing people that to help them you need to change some of that. Same with security-related changes (I'm struggling with changing password policies right now - hard to get people to buy into 15-character complex passwords when they've been able to use two character non-complex ones for the past 10 years).

And you sort of implied this, but if you don't have management backing you up on this you're hosed, so make sure all these changes are explained and that you have firm buy-in, so that when Special Snowflake McGee bitches about everything you're doing ruining his productivity you have management fighting the battle for you.

This sounds awesome and I envy you for the opportunity. Let us know what you end up doing.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



the spyder posted:

New job starts in one week and the vacation in between has been amazing. I've been catching up on projects around the house and reading/preparing for the new job.

I'm not sure how to ask this, but I've been given the opportunity to start from the ground up building a new IT department for a ~500 person company. Helpdesk is covered by another team memeber, but suggestions are welcome.
I have two major issues I have to resolve. 1) IT is known as being terrible. It's on everyone's mind and I want to change this. Standardizing our helpdesk and rebuilding the networks will help, but only so much. 2) It's a fresh start. I can go with anything hardware wise. There's some EMC/Cisco/HP gear at the second HQ, otherwise it's a clean slate. Any suggestions are welcome. I want to make this place not only a great place to work IT wise, but a place where everything just works and IT is on top of things. What makes your job great? What makes you want to work on tough projects? Basically, how can I ensure I'm a good boss/leader. I've read the complaints, issues, nightmarish stories people have told on here and I want to avoid that as much as possible.

Potato Alley makes some great suggestions.

Build a solution that doesn't require your people to wrestle it into submission every time they want to do something.

I've been involved in building an internal security framework for a global company, and currently I'm in the midst of creating (with a multi-department team) a "2.0" version of our backend and infrastructure for our Managed Services group.

Determine what services you need at a high level. At this point I'm not sweating the actual infrastructure design, I more interested in how I'm going to manage everything and making sure it's flexible and scalable (for future growth and changes). I usually find it good to put a visualization of the different components that I need to deliver my mandate. So for example, I'll create a block and call it "Network Monitoring and Management", another called "Config Management", "Asset Management", and "Ticketing", and so on. Visio, Omnigraffle, Dia, any tool like that will work fine.

Then I define each of these sockets which means creating another diagram for each. What attributes for example does "Network Monitoring and Management" need? Well, at the very least I need to send SNMP Gets, and also receive SNMP Traps. How do I want it organized? How much automation do I want, can I trigger events to fire based on certain thresholds? This is where I also start to interconnect all my sockets. For example "Configs" and "Assets" needs to hook into "Monitoring and Management". "Assets" needs to hook into ticketing. Do I need "Monitoring" to hook into "Tickets" or should I have it go to an LEM/SEIM that will then go to "Tickets"? That kind of stuff.

Now, to the reason I call them sockets. Once I have all that defined and all my interweaving arrows set up, I start to evaluate tools that may best get the job done. That includes vendor showdowns by having them come in and set up demo systems on a dev or lab network. What I want is a tool that will best slot into my sockets, rather than a solution that "well, it sorta does that and if we eliminate some things we can do X but not Y". Of course compromises have to be made to fit schedule and budget, but try to stick as much as you can to your requirements you defined. Don't change your solution to fit the tools. I've seen that, and it never works out in the long run. Hence the "2.0" project I'm in.

I know the guys who are taking the lead with the actual architecture of the backend infrastructure and systems are mostly using the same approach, but their focus is more on Best Practices with an eye to flexibility and scaling. Of course we're all communicating with each other during this either via emails or meetings so no one is caught flat-footed by each other's designs canceling out something vital.

Now, it sounds like a lot (and it sort of is), but really everything up to starting to evaluate tools can be done in a few days if your team and stakeholders are small and nimble to a couple weeks for larger teams with more disparate stakeholders, the bulk of it just spent noodling around with different approaches and firing different versions off for comments. The thing I really liked about being shown this way of starting a project like this is that it sorta works from a small to mid-size company all the way up to a multi-national entity.

Oh, and get a *real* PM to help run this. Not a person who can fire up MS Project and create milestones, but someone to actually lead meetings and corral a bunch of Alpha Nerds into moving in the same direction. You may have to go outside and hire a consultant for this but it's worth it. These people are worth their weight in gold.


EDIT: I may not have been clear, but the above is just an *example*. Obviously, you need to tailor it to fit your needs. I just find it very useful to get everything off the ground early by going in with firm requirements and this helps me do that somewhat quickly.

Proteus Jones fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Mar 23, 2015

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Jan 16, 2004

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MJP
Jun 17, 2007

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Misogynist posted:

Lateral moves are awesome to see on a resume. It shows that people are bored where they are and motivated by the need for personal growth rather than money.

I would greatly appreciate opinions on this - I'm in a place where, all things considered, I'm fairly happy, but there's not going to be any raises this year despite the fact that me getting a VCP has saved a big chunk of change that would otherwise go to an outsourced engineer given that we moved into a VMware private cloud.

Moreover I'd really like to have a few telecommute days a week to be in a position to be around the house to take care of my wife's medical issues over lunch/downtime.

However, the longest time I held a job without moving out of it - either due to RIFs or layoffs, or seeking elsewhere - was around 2.5 years, and that's from 2004-2007. Everything has been around a one year and change average.

I've been at my current position a year and four months. Last one was around the same. Isn't that too job-jumpy? I feel like I can be OK sticking around here, so long as things don't turn south very quickly.

Chickenwalker posted:

Is OpenDNS worth a drat? Anybody use it? How easy is it to add a domain to your whitelist with their business level offering and how long does it take to kick in?

Thinking about proposing this for our users since the editing programs and media servers we use mean we basically can't install antivirus on any stations.

We use it here. Whitelisting a domain is a counter-intuitive process. You create a block page, create a list of topics to block, add the domain, create a policy, add the block page to the policy, then add specific accounts that people need to authenticate against the block page to get through it. There is no number to call for live humans if you need support, but they respond fairly swiftly to tickets.

It's still easier to work with (and probably cheaper) than Websense.

Once you add their DNS servers to your DHCP scope as the correct option, you just need to give it a few hours for OpenDNS to register traffic within their network coming from you, then ipconfig /flushdns (or Mac/*nix equivalent) to get it going.

I recall that there were other options discussed at one point in A Ticket Came In or its previous incarnation.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


Has anyone heard of, worked with or worked for SCOM-USA?

Glassdoor isn't bringing up a whole lot...

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



My eventual goal is to do software development. Right now I'm going to school for it while I work, but I'm wondering: Is there a way into that field through IT work without a degree?

Basically I'm just not sure how I'm going to handle getting my B.S. after this year, unless CU Boulder offers online-only B.S. degrees in computer science like they do graduate degrees. I don't know how I'll find a job in IT flexible with my school hours unless it's just a full-time evening/late night job, which would blow.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.

22 Eargesplitten posted:

My eventual goal is to do software development. Right now I'm going to school for it while I work, but I'm wondering: Is there a way into that field through IT work without a degree?

Basically I'm just not sure how I'm going to handle getting my B.S. after this year, unless CU Boulder offers online-only B.S. degrees in computer science like they do graduate degrees. I don't know how I'll find a job in IT flexible with my school hours unless it's just a full-time evening/late night job, which would blow.

You can take other classes, maybe at a local community college, and list them on your resume. WGU offers a BS with a software development focus, but it doesn't sound like that matters much for you if you're already getting a degree.

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22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Yeah, I'm completing my A.S. at a community college right now. If I go through the summer as well, I should be done by the end of 2015. Assuming these physics classes don't kill me.

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