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AnonymousNarcotics posted:Merk is not scum Amoeba102 posted:Explain. ^^ Still waiting on this, Narcotics. ^^ Amoeba102 posted:You know who said explicitly they aren't town-aligned - PMom. Why are you going nuts over the elite bodyguard? Are you feeling threatened? Yo, I want a answer to this. Somberbrero posted:I am sorry you rolled a third-party ##vote Numerrik Somberbrero posted:"My wincon is pro-town" and "I'm town aligned" are not the same thing. Somberbrero posted:The win-condition that Numerrik presented allows him to win alongside the Mafia and he did not respond to questions about why this would be a town alignment. Somberbrero posted:My win condition is to eliminate all scum players from the game. I do not have to kill another player during the night to achieve my win condition. Numerrik does have to kill another player during the night to achieve his win condition. His win condition is different than mine, so he is not town. Somberbrero posted:Can you expand on that? I <3 how Numerrik gets increasingly sinister as Somberbero's post history continues. It starts off as a policy lynch and slowly becomes a huge existential threat that must be eliminated. It's an absolutely hilarious escalation over the course of three pages.
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Pinterest Mom posted:oh my god somber this semantic argument isn't important. Yes it is. Call it what you want but I think I'm right so I'm not going to drop it. Everyone voting me clearly missed my town breadcrumb. Somberbrero posted:##vote merk I'm a cool town boy. I said it so you can trust me.
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Mar 24, 2015 00:13
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Ok so, I'm not feeling this numerik thing, I wouldnt put it past ecco to spice up an elite bodyguard by adding using your power as an additional wincon. The way he reacts reminds me a great deal of someone interested enough to sign up for games but not taking it serious at all, which I can totally relate to, If anything, now that we fully understand his role and how he says it works, there has to be scum on his lynch right now.
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Mar 24, 2015 00:14
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QuoProQuid posted:^^ Still waiting on this, Narcotics. ^^ All those posts say the same thing. Did you have a point?
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Mar 24, 2015 00:14
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CapitalistPig posted:Ok so, I'm not feeling this numerik thing, I wouldnt put it past ecco to spice up an elite bodyguard by adding using your power as an additional wincon. There are three people voting Numerrik. How do we fully understand his role if he hasn't flipped and there isn't an investigative result?
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Mar 24, 2015 00:15
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And I'd take a bet that one of the three is scum.
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Mar 24, 2015 00:16
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Amoeba102 posted:And I'd take a bet that one of the three is scum. I would agree.
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Mar 24, 2015 00:17
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Somber > merk > Jedit? In likelihood of being scum Not sure. Merk might be more so ahead because Somber just keep digging and I feel like it's more likely to disengage than to double down. Merk has managed to set his vote in stone while disengaging from discussion about it.
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Mar 24, 2015 00:19
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Somberbrero posted:There are three people voting Numerrik. Correct , im saying at least one of those people is scum. We dont fully understand it, but we understand the claim he has made and its not a stretch to see a secondary win condition being what he has said. It all fits together, but that isn't really that indicative of alignment either way. Its a null tell for me right now and I'd want to see what happens during the night before I'd vote for numerik
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Mar 24, 2015 00:23
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Amoeba102 posted:Somber > merk > Jedit? In likelihood of being scum Right now I'd even go so far as to say that I believe that merk is town. I'd be willing to bet that either Somber or Jedit is scum for sure. I'd go Somber>Jedit I still think Glock is scum too though.
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Mar 24, 2015 00:25
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Why is merk town? He seems to me like he's being obstinate on points, twisted poor play as something scummy, and excused himself with a policy vote.
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Mar 24, 2015 00:31
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Yeah my opinion on merk is pretty low right now.
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Mar 24, 2015 00:39
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Narco and CpIg have said "Merk is town". Explain how?
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Mar 24, 2015 00:41
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Amoeba102 posted:Narco and CpIg have said "Merk is town". Explain how? I feel like this is pretty typical play for merk? I'm just not really getting the cases against him, I'm getting a townie vibe.
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Mar 24, 2015 00:57
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merk is playing like an rear end in a top hat but I know he's town. I may know something about him. Just trust me, guys.
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Mar 24, 2015 01:15
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You'd have been better off making a thread based reason rather than soft claiming.
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Mar 24, 2015 01:20
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AnonymousNarcotics posted:merk is playing like an rear end in a top hat but I know he's town. I may know something about him. Just trust me, guys. Is this a joke or your actual justification? If it is the latter, that's an insufficient way of settling my concerns and makes me want to lynch you both. Try again.
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Mar 24, 2015 01:21
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AnonymousNarcotics posted:merk is playing like an rear end in a top hat but I know he's town. I may know something about him. Just trust me, guys. ##vote AnonymousNarcotics
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Mar 24, 2015 01:21
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I'm feeling imgay for scum. Soft claiming this early might be bad play, but it's not scummy. ##vote imgay
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Mar 24, 2015 01:27
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I'm hard claiming town, get off my back Pinterest Mom.
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Mar 24, 2015 01:47
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Somberbrero posted:All those posts say the same thing. Did you have a point? It's a reiteration of the shifting goalposts that have formed around numerrik. When it is no longer sufficient to justify his lynch on policy grounds, that his win condition is different from the town, the framework for discussion shifts to his supposed killing abilities, despite numerrik's consistent claims that they are passive. If you want to lynch a third party because he is a third party, that's fine. I disagree that it is always the right policy, but I at least understand the motivation. Trying to pretend that numerrik is somehow a unique threat that actively seeks the death of town players is not acceptable. You are either tunneled so severely on this case that you don't realize how much your rhetoric has changed, or you are scum gradually ramping up pressure against a really awkward new player. It's similar to the issue I have with merk's attack on Glock. I find your actions especially scummy in light of Mom. As Amoeba points out, your "policy lynch" seems to be inconsistently applied. Amoeba102 posted:Somber > merk > Jedit? In likelihood of being scum The one issue I'm conflicted about is the relationship between Somber and merk. While both jumped on him almost immediately, I don't get a sense of cooperation between the two players. If merk flipped scum, I would be hesitant to lynch Somber, and vice versa.
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Mar 24, 2015 01:47
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Pinterest Mom posted:I'm feeling imgay for scum. Soft claiming this early might be bad play, but it's not scummy. In what way do you see imgay as more likely to be scum than any of the other candidates discussed? You've been a little quiet about your reads since the elite bodyguard debacle (1).
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Mar 24, 2015 01:51
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QuoProQuid posted:I would go merk > Somber > CPig. I think there's definitely scum on the numerrik bandwagon, just because it is such an easy way to claim town cred. Yeah I reasoned myself in that post to Merk > Somber > Jedit. Not sure where CPig comes in on the "votes on nummerrik has one scum". Fully though, should add PMom and Keane, since they voted Numerrik at some point but have since rescinded.
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Mar 24, 2015 01:51
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The Ninth Layer posted:The town-aligned win condition is pro-town. There's no inconsistency there. The extra win condition he claimed is also unambiguously pro-town, by the way, unless "HE CAN WIN WITH THE SCUM!!!" is seriously something that bothers you. I think you missed the bit where numerrik said that his pro-Town win condition was not the Town win condition. But if you want a rationale as to why he cannot be Town, then fine. Literally the first thing he said as content was that he had an alternate win condition but by telling us about it he was making it harder to achieve. It's not like he was under any kind of pressure, he just came out and said it. It makes no logical sense for him to do that if he can also win with Town. He could simply have kept his mouth shut about it and let us think - accurately, in fact - that he was a straight Townie. It was only after people jumped on him for effectively claiming 3P that he said he could also win with Town. Altogether, it reads to me like a newbie mistake by a 3P: he thought people would be OK with him being 3P if he claimed his goals aligned with the Town, then squirreled when he found out otherwise. I also have to raise the question of why you're white knighting for him. This is a guy who has played three games and by his own admission doesn't give a poo poo about at least two of them. Why are you acting like he was playing some subtle semantic game with his initial post, even after he has already admitted he wasn't?
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Mar 24, 2015 01:54
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QuoProQuid posted:In what way do you see imgay as more likely to be scum than any of the other candidates discussed? Jumping on AN for soft-claiming this way makes no sense. Certainly we're not looking at a merk/AN scumteam, scum merk/town AN makes no sense, and I don't see a reason for scum AN to defend merk with a soft claim. So why vote AN? It's a lazy vote that's exploiting "AN did something weird" as a justification to lay down a read. It's scummy.
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Mar 24, 2015 01:56
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Amoeba102 posted:Yeah I reasoned myself in that post to Merk > Somber > Jedit. Not sure where CPig comes in on the "votes on nummerrik has one scum". I haven't really focused much attention on Jedit and CapitalistPig's latest posts still ping as odd to me. That's more gut than anything. Keane strikes me as genuine, especially after he realizes nummerrik has played only three games. He also seems to realize how easily the case against nummerick can be exploited (1). PMom's post about her alignment, which she has still not explained, makes me feel better about her. It reads less like a scum slip and more an "Aha!" moment degenerating into real confusion.
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Mar 24, 2015 01:58
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Yeah, QPQ, I agree. There are things about PMom which are not suspicious. PMom is admittedly 3P though and the different reaction compared to numerrik is telling for other players.
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Mar 24, 2015 02:00
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Less Serious: Can someone tell me when "dunk" and "white knighting" became a standard part of Mafia lingo? It's been a few months since I played my last mafia game, but I've never seen these terms ever pop up in context of Mafia. "Dunk" seems especially weird.
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Mar 24, 2015 02:01
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Dunk is a euphemism for lynch, which some people prefer to not use. It's just over a month old.
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Mar 24, 2015 02:03
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Numerik's added win-con actually seems pretty reasonable and, if as described, is not anti-town in any way. He literally only wins if town wins or if he dies killing mafia. Both of those are pro-town TBH I don't feel like any of the people getting really worked up on either side of the numerik poo poo are too scummy.
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Mar 24, 2015 02:16
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Jedit posted:Oh, Jesus loving Christ you are terrible. "It's not fair to say I'm a dumb newbie, I'm a really dumb newbie!" This poo poo though, this poo poo is probably the scummiest post in the whole thread ##Vote Jedit
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Mar 24, 2015 02:16
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Actually I stand by that comment and want to lynch Jedit but for real why are we just overlooking the fact that P-mom literally said he wasn't town aligned? That seems super loving relevant. ##Unvote ##Vote P-Mom
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Mar 24, 2015 02:18
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Jedit also made this post which pinged me as scummy. It's not only defensive, but pre-defensive and simultaneously offensive, trying to dissuade people from voting for him both by appealing to pity and by saying "I might case you for being scummy if you vote for me".Jedit posted:No, I'm being defensive because being lynched before I can get started is getting pretty loving tiresome. That's part of why I haven't played a game in a while.
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Mar 24, 2015 02:19
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Quandary posted:Actually I stand by that comment and want to lynch Jedit but for real why are we just overlooking the fact that P-mom literally said he wasn't town aligned? That seems super loving relevant. Jeez. Again we have to say that 3P doesn't necessarily mean anti-town. You know what is anti-town? Scum like you! ##vote jedit
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Mar 24, 2015 02:24
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AnonymousNarcotics posted:Jeez. Again we have to say that 3P doesn't necessarily mean anti-town. You know what is anti-town? Scum like you! Oh wow I'm a dummy again. This isn't jedit but you're both pretty scummy. Leaving my vote on jedit.
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Mar 24, 2015 02:25
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AnonymousNarcotics posted:Jeez. Again we have to say that 3P doesn't necessarily mean anti-town. You know what is anti-town? Scum like you! 3P does mean anti-town almost always. Even Numerik who has an additional win condition said he was town aligned. P-Mom literally said that he does not win with the town, which means he likely does not have incentive to look for scum, and possibly has incentive to actively avoid looking for scum
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Mar 24, 2015 02:26
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AnonymousNarcotics posted:Oh wow I'm a dummy again. This isn't jedit but you're both pretty scummy. Leaving my vote on jedit. QuoProQuid posted:Is this a joke or your actual justification?
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Mar 24, 2015 02:27
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Okay 3rd times a charm. I'm at rehearsal so I'm trying to do this surreptitiously. I think Quandarys post was stupid, and definitely sounded scummy, but this is the first thing that stood out to me as being scummy from him. A lot of people pointed out scummy things jedit said so I'm fine with voting him. I'll find quotes.
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Mar 24, 2015 02:27
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Quandary posted:P-Mom literally said that he does not win with the town, which means he likely does not have incentive to look for scum, and possibly has incentive to actively avoid looking for scum Well now you're just lying.
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Jedit posted:I think you missed the bit where numerrik said that his pro-Town win condition was not the Town win condition. First of all, he said from the start his win condition was pro-town, which his claimed win condition is. Secondly, his play doesn't make "logical sense" to begin with so it's not like we can say he was pulling some gambit or anything. Claiming was a newbie mistake on his part but I don't understand why it's a mistake a townie with his role could not make. Finally, I'm not at all saying he was playing some subtle semantic game. Several times I've said the opposite: that numerik is a player who has trouble articulating his thoughts clearly, a trait that is fairly common among people new to Mafia. I'm "white-knighting" him because I think lynching a new player for playing like a new player is stupid and unfair.
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