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mr. mephistopheles posted:I know what asinine point you think you're making but the whole point of those comparisons was fascism bad and Bush is bad. And the people that did that are idiots but Republicans are way worse about Obama and it's much more acceptable in the mainstream right. Yes, fascism is seen as bad and it didn't take a Nazi Cold War to make that happen.
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computer parts posted:Yes, fascism is seen as bad and it didn't take a Nazi Cold War to make that happen. I already said that same thing. Did you mean to say Democrats instead of Republicans or Obama instead of Bush? Because the way it's phrased comes off as a weird dig on Democrats.
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quote:Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, meanwhile, lambasted the "unevenness" of Obama's swap of five Taliban prisoners for Bergdahl. The ones that get left behind get... left behind I guess? Amazing to see servicemembers fellating over this quote on FB. I like how GOP and the minions are now officially in favor of leaving people behind.
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Joementum posted:The Queen of the Hill House Budget battle is on and we're in the fifth round. So far: Price 1 fails 105-313. Now we're on to Price 2, the last vote, in which the GOP appropriates $2b in war funding with no offset. This will need 161 Republicans to vote for it or the House will have adopted Obama's budget.
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Boon posted:The least you could do is use some punctuation, but this is some real Ben Carson logic. So most enlisted people come from households that make more than the median of all US household incomes, what exactly is your point here?
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Radbot posted:Phonebank for Hahahahaha! Hoooo boy, that's some funny poo poo. Yeah, I phonebanked for Obama in 2008, was an Obamatar, etc. Man, Hillary is my progressive fuckin hero! She's going to make all kinds of progress, just like Obama did, while the GOP and the Kochs just own the poo poo out of the nation from the city level all the way up through the House and Senate. I'm sure they'll change their minds about being obstructionists once it's a woman and not a black man in the Oval! drat dude, that is some  poo poo.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:I already said that same thing. Did you mean to say Democrats instead of Republicans or Obama instead of Bush? Because the way it's phrased comes off as a weird dig on Democrats. I'm saying if fascism wasn't seen as bad already you would have had supporters of Bush giving him favorable comparisons to Hitler.
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Joementum posted:Price 1 fails 105-313. it'd be hilarious if their poo poo is so hosed up that they do adopt Obama's budget though
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Radbot posted:So most enlisted people come from households that make more than the median of all US household incomes, what exactly is your point here? That the median US household income isn't very high at all, and that individuals who enlist, get out, and go back to school are advantaged economically. Also, don't be too quick to congratulate yourself, ~48% come from households below the median income. Let's not pretend that the middle class is just swimming in opportunity. I'm trying to push my sister towards the military as we speak. She's about to graduate as a pharmacist who will have close to $150,000 in student loans. Guess what she could do in the medical corps for 3 years? Turns out it's not kill people for funsies. Boon fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Mar 25, 2015 |
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Quidam Viator posted:Hahahahaha! Hoooo boy, that's some funny poo poo. Yeah, I phonebanked for Obama in 2008, was an Obamatar, etc. Man, Hillary is my progressive fuckin hero! She's going to make all kinds of progress, just like Obama did, while the GOP and the Kochs just own the poo poo out of the nation from the city level all the way up through the House and Senate. I'm sure they'll change their minds about being obstructionists once it's a woman and not a black man in the Oval! So you admit you're just Arzying wildly in the heat of your discontent.
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Mar 25, 2015 23:26
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The House passes the Price 2 budget 219-208. On to the Senate!
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A lot of folks go into the military because its basically the remaining welfare state make-work program that the country has, I don't fault people for that. I do get sad when enlisted think the mission of the US military is anything more than accidentally good, in the modern era. But indoctrination is a hell of a thing. Either way, no major party seriously cares about the soldiers, they care about the Military as a concept and defense contractors.
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Crowsbeak posted:A uncle Rohm. Niiiiiice. 
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To answer your question, QV, pushback against the current direction America is heading would require a massive reinvigoration of public participation in politics beyond grudingly voting every few years. This is not forthcoming because now more than ever people are convinced that their views do not matter in the grand scheme of politics. And their views do not matter in the grand scheme because they don't participate beyond grudgingly voting every few years. And so on. Welcome to modernity, I guess. Would you like Xanax or Zoloft as your entree this evening?
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Joementum posted:The House passes the Price 2 budget 219-208. On to the Senate! Of course. Military spending can only go up up up.
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Mar 25, 2015 23:40
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Joementum posted:The House passes the Price 2 budget 219-208. On to the Senate! So I won 100$? So what's the chance Obama actually signs the thing?
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DemeaninDemon posted:So I won 100$? So what's the chance Obama actually signs the thing? 0%, but there also would have been a 0% chance of Romney signing it.
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ReidRansom posted:Of course. Military spending can only go up up up. Well, war/military conflict is the United States' chief export now. When I think of military spending in those terms, it makes sense. Nevermind the destructive effect it has on the other parts of U.S. society and the rest of the world, it's our country's main economic driver now.
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Developments in Begoniaghazi and The POLITICO is on it!!!quote:–PLAYBOOK FINDS OUT – A former West Wing staffer tells us: “She was something of a one-trick pony who worked very slowly in a high-volume environment. And she lacked management skills, so lots of drama. The Residence is fraught. Sam Kass’ departure helped calm the waters, and so will the florist’s departure.” But wait, is that the end of the story? No, no it is not. For you see, that anonymous staffer was given the wrong talking points before they commented to the press. quote:In this town, matters of taste — much like positions on marriage equality — can “evolve” over time. Just ask Dowling, who left because her “fussy style” was not in line with the first lady’s emerging modern and clean aesthetics, several sources said. Which was it, Michelle? Floralism, or an act of arranging flowers? What difference at this point does it make?
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paranoid randroid posted:To answer your question, QV, pushback against the current direction America is heading would require a massive reinvigoration of public participation in politics beyond grudingly voting every few years. This is not forthcoming because now more than ever people are convinced that their views do not matter in the grand scheme of politics. And their views do not matter in the grand scheme because they don't participate beyond grudgingly voting every few years. And so on. I'm total agreement with you. So the upshot of what I've learned today is that a Democratic presidential nominee starts with a 78-electoral-vote head start just for having that (D) behind their name. Meanwhile, the GOP owns 38 governorships, the House, and the Senate, and what, something like 70% of state legislatures? So, it's relatively easy for the Democrats to keep winning the presidency, but the GOP's full court press on everything below it GUARANTEES gridlock and obstructionism, which I would say contributes very nicely to your statement about how demoralized voters are, and how little they believe anything they can do will change anything. It's almost as if the GOP is comfortable just as they are, with a completely stalled Federal government, because their big donors don't need anything to change to keep raking in cash; sure, they'd LOVE to win, and rake in more, but the only people who are really hurt by gridlock are Democrats and the 99%, so who gives a poo poo? It's only almost the entire population of the country! I'm not Arzying; I am grimly amused, not panicked. And I'm already medicated, but they'd better up the dosage, right? 
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ReidRansom posted:What're the chances the senate passes it? Only needs 51 because reconciliation, right? Budget reconciliation is a separate thing, but yes it's only a 50 vote threshold in the Senate to pass their version. Then they'll both appoint conferees and zzzzzzzzzzz. None of this really matters because the budget is a non-binding framework document used to form the basis of the appropriations bills, which is where the real battles will be fought. If you want to bore yourself to tears, you can turn on C-SPAN2 for the next six or so hours and watch Senators propose amendments to establish deficit-neutral committees to work on some-issue-or-other, which will fail to be adopted.
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Might cruz make a fuss of this in the senate to gain some attention? Seems like it would be a good time to get some press.
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hobbesmaster posted:And it was someone who got "just return to your unit and we'll forget this entire thing happened" at every step in his command up to Eisenhower and his response was to say he'd never go back and he'd rather be shot. Reading up on this that's not true: until the death sentence was actually given at his court-martial he assumed he'd get a jail sentence and would rather take the jail sentence than go back to the front line. He didn't get a clemency offer after the death sentence. He did, however, confess in writing and refused to destroy the confession repeatedly and refused repeatedly to return to his unit rather than face a court-martial.
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Boon posted:The least you could do is use some punctuation, but this is some real Ben Carson logic. so you basically agreed with my premise that at best they are passively assisting a lovely system because of economic pressures
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USPol March presents the 8th Annual Debt Limit Fight: I wonder, would the world as a whole have been better if the Nazis survived
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Munkeymon posted:I hope Cruz' birth certificate has French on it A few excerpts: quote:For the Smiths [school teachers in Wisconsin], the effects were instant. With more than $6,000 less in an already-lean annual family budget, Ms. Smith, a Spanish teacher who had worked part time to spend mornings with her children, had no choice but to move to full-time hours. “We just weren’t going to be able to make it,” she said. quote:But Mr. Berg, 54, and Mr. Nelson, 50, [a gay couple in Wisconsin] now say they plan to sell their home. They want to move to Duluth even though the cost of housing is higher and, they say, they had imagined staying in their Wisconsin house forever. They say same-sex marriage, which Minnesota began permitting in August, matters more. “We would rather live in a state that appreciates us for who we are,” Mr. Berg said. quote:Diana Gradine, a case manager at a nonprofit center for homeless people with substance abuse problems in Duluth, was among those helping the uninsured get coverage under Minnesota’s new program. Not long ago, though, Ms. Gradine, who lives in a second-floor apartment in Superior, got a letter about her own insurance. Wisconsin was removing her from its Medicaid program. On the other side: quote:In 2013, Minnesota raised the income tax on individuals making more than $150,000 a year, a move, he said, that could affect his ability to recruit executives. They passed a tax on telecommunications services and equipment. They decided to tax businesses that provide warehouses for business materials, a tax set to go into effect this spring, whose cost, Mr. Fulton said, would be passed on to him by his suppliers. It's "Well, Wisconsin's policies are hurting people and forcing people to move and reducing the quality of life for everyone" vs "You know maybe sorta kinda possibly I'll make slightly less money maybe at some point in the future?"
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joeburz posted:so you basically agreed with my premise that at best they are passively assisting a lovely system because of economic pressures I think you've misplaced your disdain. I don't think the military deserves to be glorified, nor do I think it deserves to be denigrated. Yes, I agree that your best case is the common one. You've also passively supported the same lovely system I would imagine...
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Boon posted:I think you've misplaced your disdain. I don't think the military deserves to be glorified, nor do I think it deserves to be denigrated. Yes, I agree that your best case is the common one. i completely understand why someone would join for GI bill money, however understanding and sympathizing doesn't mean im supporting them as a member of the military or think their job is inherently great or good for the country. id love for everyone to have that opportunity for guaranteed work to provide themselves an education, but without the bullshit jingoism and american imperialism that goes with it.
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paranoid randroid posted:I know Fiddy pulls for the GOP, but man he does not look happy about that situation. Get Rich or Die Trying
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joeburz posted:i completely understand why someone would join for GI bill money, however understanding and sympathizing doesn't mean im supporting them as a member of the military or think their job is inherently great or good for the country. id love for everyone to have that opportunity for guaranteed work to provide themselves an education, but without the bullshit jingoism and american imperialism that goes with it. It's possible to make a distinction between the members of the military (who serve in it) and the policy-makers who control it (and generally don't serve in it). It's the second group that pushes the bullshit jingoism and American imperialism.
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Really starting to think I might need to create a Ted Cruz version of this. Any thoughts on a title? Ted Cruz Says Horrible Things just doesn't quite have the same ring to it as it did with Santorum.
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FAUXTON posted:Get Rich or Die Trying He looks like he's trying to figure out if he actually survived that shooting.
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Joementum posted:If Mike Pence signs a bill that allows businesses to discriminate based on sexual orientation (which he is expected to do) Gen Con is going to pick up its dice, and figurines, and cards and leave Indiana. It's one of the biggest annual tourist events for Indianapolis. To the tune of 50$ Million in economic impact. Indy is a good spot, hopefully Pence backs down.
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Quote of the night, "The line of 'Make America great again,' the phrase, that was mine, I came up with it about a year ago, and I kept using it, and everybody's now using it, they are all loving it. I don’t know I guess I should copyright it, maybe I have copyrighted it." ~ Donald Trump, on his coining of Ronald Reagan's campaign slogan.
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Tobermory posted:It's possible to make a distinction between the members of the military (who serve in it) and the policy-makers who control it (and generally don't serve in it). It's the second group that pushes the bullshit jingoism and American imperialism. and im sure there is a good cop or two in the Ferguson PD.
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