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King Burgundy posted:What are your thoughts on Rarity? She's my second highest scumread, after Viva.
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Mar 29, 2015 18:41
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King Burgundy posted:No scum on SA would do that. No one on SA considers reasons for the Night Kill the next day. It is a non thing. I've been on plenty of scum teams and I've read plenty of scum chats after game was over as town and scum are never concerned with it either. Total bullshit. Me/Asii/FV did it in Twin Peaks mafia, for one example. It definitely happens.
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Mar 29, 2015 18:42
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Rarity posted:Total bullshit. Me/Asii/FV did it in Twin Peaks mafia, for one example. It definitely happens. I've never seen it happen in any of my games. One exception doesn't disprove my point. I'd be interested in reading it though if you want to link me to the relevant scum conversation and starting post in thread where it was taken advantage of.
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Mar 29, 2015 18:45
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My point of game on the view so far centers on the Opop slip.Opopanax posted:(a) Yeah I guess he did town first ##vote diqnol He was either lying or joking - the best way to assess it is to read his tone. His first four posts ran the gambit from (a) kind of deadpan to (b) defensive to (c) false-confident. If it was a joke, why wasn't there a punchline? Or at the very least an emoticon or something indicating humor? To me the tone solidly pointed to Opop covering up a lie. Right now I have to look at the most suspicious people as the ones that were trying to move the vote off of him. So before I go into individual cases, here's a general question for Rarity, Max, and EXAKT (The first three people I'm going to case individually:  These posts were all within 6 hours of Diqnol casing Opop, and all of them basically ignored it to make weak pitches on other people. So to you three: When you guys made these cases, had you not read the Diq/Opop interaction yet or did you not think it was significant? And was there something specifically that made you think "joke" over "lie"?
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Mar 29, 2015 18:50
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King Burgundy posted:I've never seen it happen in any of my games. One exception doesn't disprove my point. I'd be interested in reading it though if you want to link me to the relevant scum conversation and starting post in thread where it was taken advantage of. Dude, it was months ago, I don't remember where in the thread it was. Essentially, at LYLO-1 MMM was onto all three of us hardcore but he wasn't getting enough support. That night, following your thinking we should have killed MMM. Instead we killed yuming, which convinced MMM he'd been wrong about us being scum and ended up with us getting a flawless victory. You want more details, go check yourself.
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Mar 29, 2015 18:52
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King Burgundy posted:I've never seen it happen in any of my games. One exception doesn't disprove my point. I'd be interested in reading it though if you want to link me to the relevant scum conversation and starting post in thread where it was taken advantage of. ##vote King Burgundy
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Mar 29, 2015 18:54
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Murmur Twin posted:These posts were all within 6 hours of Diqnol casing Opop, and all of them basically ignored it to make weak pitches on other people. So to you three: When you guys made these cases, had you not read the Diq/Opop interaction yet or did you not think it was significant? And was there something specifically that made you think "joke" over "lie"? I'd read it and dismissed it as a joke cause I didn't think Opop could be that stupid. Also, my response to KB was a joke too.
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Mar 29, 2015 18:54
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Poison Mushroom posted:Actually, it kind of totally does! Hah. Is your new thing in Mafia to have the worst possible opinions just to be contrary? Trying for Scum MVP again? 
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Mar 29, 2015 18:56
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Rarity posted:I'd read it and dismissed it as a joke cause I didn't think Opop could be that stupid. Also, my response to KB was a joke too. Yup. Even though I think Rarity is scum, her response to me on that was clearly a joke.
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Mar 29, 2015 18:56
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Rarity posted:Dude, it was months ago, I don't remember where in the thread it was. Essentially, at LYLO-1 MMM was onto all three of us hardcore but he wasn't getting enough support. That night, following your thinking we should have killed MMM. Instead we killed yuming, which convinced MMM he'd been wrong about us being scum and ended up with us getting a flawless victory. You want more details, go check yourself. Bonus: you get to watch me as town be the only one in the game to believe MMM lying about a Survivor claim and drive myself slowly crazy.
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Mar 29, 2015 18:57
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King Burgundy posted:Hah. Is your new thing in Mafia to have the worst possible opinions just to be contrary? Trying for Scum MVP again? More to the point, taking a hardline position on things scum will do or will never do? To use a buzzword, you're trying to force a narrative! I don't like it.
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Mar 29, 2015 18:58
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I'm kind of intentionally ignoring this thread for a few more hours before I do a full read, but I really like your posting Murmur Twin.
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Mar 29, 2015 18:59
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King Burgundy posted:Hah. Is your new thing in Mafia to have the worst possible opinions just to be contrary? Trying for Scum MVP again?
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Mar 29, 2015 19:00
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Reading my last couple posts, I feel like I'm channeling Yuming. 
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Mar 29, 2015 19:01
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Poison Mushroom posted:You're getting all caught up in theorycrafting! Trying to puzzle out the mechanics of a game totally makes sense in a role-heavy one like a CYOR. But getting all into that in a vanilla game? Boo. Uh. I'm not puzzling out mechanics. I'm saying that even in normal games, Scum on SA do not try to mislead people with the NK. This is nonsense, PM. 
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Mar 29, 2015 19:08
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Poison Mushroom posted:I don't like this, either! It feels like fake joking. Like a forced "haha, aren't you funny? Aren't I funny?" thing. Like KingB is trying to act and sound relaxed, but because he thinks that's how he's supposed to react. Faking emotional responses is pretty scummy! It's my attempt to not be an rear end in a top hat when I just watched you do the same thing in another game and laughed with the mod about how you were scum MVP. I'm trying to put it in the most joking light possible, but man, you are playing really badly. I just don't want to be mean.
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Mar 29, 2015 19:10
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Murmur Twin posted:My point of game on the view so far centers on the Opop slip. I hadn't really read the Opop/Diqnol interaction, but Opop definitely came off as scummier. I voted Hal because his post felt like fence-sitting, and like it was trying to pull some heat off of Opop. It was also early enough in the day that I wanted to look at people who weren't Opop and cast votes to see how people would react to them.
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Mar 29, 2015 19:12
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Hmm, I had PMush as null when I did my reread last night, but I really don't like her last few posts.
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Mar 29, 2015 19:14
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I'm going to combine multiple posts into single on-theme quotes for the sake of readability. RARITY Rarity posted:Opop I will give you this one opportunity to REDEEM YOURSELF. Will you take it? Obviously there was a level of joking around to this, but I think a town Rarity should have tried to get Opop to make a solid case. Instead she solicits a vote on WM, which he obliges her on before vanishing. Rarity posted:What? How? I'm gonna need you to explain that in more detail. The only thing you need to remember is that WM has never been scum before so he will be prone to newbie scum mistakes. Rarity posted:Ok, I see your point. But I don't think that's the only way newbie scum would play and assuming scum only act one way is the kind of thinking that allows scum to win. In the first block of quotes, Rarity implies that WM's game has the tendencies of how newbie scum plays. After Diqnol points out that newbie scum would have scumbuddies to rely on, Rarity changes her mind: Iin the second quote,. the bold part more or less contradicts the original point she was making on Wall Monitor, which implies to me that she never believed her case on WM in the first place. Rarity posted:I'm busy making my mixtape for Byers's game, my push on WM looks to have stalled so ##vote Opop, see ya tomorrow This feels like scum covering up her tracks after a failed defense attempt. That said, I've been listening to Rarity's mixtape while I've been casing her and it's very good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=playlist TheRam posted:I'm kind of intentionally ignoring this thread for a few more hours before I do a full read, but I really like your posting Murmur Twin. Thanks I think this is our third game together and we've never really interacted yet, but I enjoy your posting and have a town read on you so far. Looking forward to your reads!
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Mar 29, 2015 19:25
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King Burgundy posted:It's my attempt to not be an rear end in a top hat when I just watched you do the same thing in another game and laughed with the mod about how you were scum MVP. I'm trying to put it in the most joking light possible, but man, you are playing really badly. I just don't want to be mean. I'm trying the opposite approach this time, flying rear end-first into whatever whims or feelings I've got and taking the game as seriously as a game should be taken. We'll see how it works!
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Mar 29, 2015 19:28
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Basically, I feel a little salty about getting called Scum MVP for acting on the completely unreasonable ideas "Maybe the cop claim is lying" and "maybe there's a Godfather".
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Mar 29, 2015 19:29
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BTW, I just want to put this out there, since it doesn't affect anything, and it might lend us some insights later. I was given a gift from the departed. I am now an unconfirmed mason with TheRam. I was assuming this would have come from Diqnol on his death. But I can't be sure of that, and I don't know if Opop would have been able to do something similar.
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Mar 29, 2015 19:29
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Poison Mushroom posted:Basically, I feel a little salty about getting called Scum MVP for acting on the completely unreasonable ideas "Maybe the cop claim is lying" and "maybe there's a Godfather". Sorry. You were just sooooo confidently wrong. And it briefly looked like you were going to win the game for the scum.
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Mar 29, 2015 19:30
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King Burgundy posted:Sorry. You were just sooooo confidently wrong. And it briefly looked like you were going to win the game for the scum.
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Mar 29, 2015 19:35
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Murmur Twin posted:[Good Case on Rarity] Agreed 100% with this.
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Mar 29, 2015 19:36
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King Burgundy posted:Agreed 100% with this. Double agreed. I would be perfectly happy dunking either Rarity or Viva today.
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Mar 29, 2015 19:38
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EXAKT Science posted:Just feels like you have an agenda, friend I think EXAKT is scum who is (a) throwing out questions to give the false impression of content (b) throwing out votes/reads willy-nilly to see what sticks. I looked over his posts on Day 1 and found it really dificult to see a firm stance on anything (with the unfortunate exception of his defending Opop): EXAKT Science posted:Oh hey Hal! This post is scummy as well! Is there anyone you would vote? Day 2 it continues: EXAKT Science posted:##vote Viva best vote for today. Disclaimer: I know this case essentially amounts to me just reposting a lot of what EXAKT has said. My main point is that it feels more like he's trying to generate content than he is finding scum and casing them. I find Rarity scummier than EXAKT but am suspicious of him. Heading out of the hosue for awhile but I'll be around tonight!
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Mar 29, 2015 19:55
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Wait where do I defend Opop? 
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Mar 29, 2015 20:16
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EXAKT Science posted:Seriously, we should be voting Viva today. Exact, can you write up a case on Viva?
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Mar 29, 2015 20:23
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fiery_valkyrie posted:Exact, can you write up a case on Viva? Yeah, absolutely!
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Mar 29, 2015 20:25
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fiery_valkyrie posted:Exact, can you write up a case on Viva? FV, what do you think of KB's posts about diqnol's death?
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Mar 29, 2015 20:35
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EXAKT Science posted:Wait where do I defend Opop? (Phone post) Oops! My original case on you started with you casing Hal instead of Opop after Diqnol's case and that I felt you were redirecting attention for him. As I continued reading I was more pinged by your casing style than that vote (since you unvoted Hal) so I removed that part. I acknowledge that you were in favor of the Opop lynch, for what it's worth.
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Mar 29, 2015 20:50
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From her first big content post, which comes after Diqnol jumps on Opop:quote:re: Opop I already don't like this. For one, it's a misrepresentation of the case on Opop at that point. It was far more than just the scumslip and meta, as Opop was responding poorly to the pressure on him and was getting cagey and defensive rather than making any attempts to advance scumhunting. Also lol at the preemptive answer there. Is it supposed to be read in a semi-joking way? I think it falls flat. VivaNova posted:I feel this interpretation only works if you think Hal is scum with either Opop or Diqnol and you think he's trying to get attention off one of them. Yes/no? I didn't think too much of this post at the time, aside from very vague ~vibes~, but in retrospect I really don't like it. It looks like she's trying to say that one of Opop/Diqnol is scum, but that she has no opinion which one it is. It also lets her (attempt) to cast shade on Diqnol. VivaNova posted:It wasn't getting married! It was going back to school! Content-free post, explicitly avoids making a real comment on Rarity. In fact, she and Rarity have really only had one interaction all game, here: Rarity posted:By the way, Viva I would really like to hear what you think of wall monitor! I don't really like Viva's response post: VivaNova posted:So many posts. I don't like the first line for the same reason that I don't really like when people make posts saying they're rereading, but that's the weakest point here. For one, she is very down to attack Wall Monitor, and says that he's wrong about what's bad about Opop. However, what she says is bad about Opop is "what rarity said", which honestly isn't much. Rarity isn't really focusing on Opop because she's attacking WM! Also, NB that Opop's vote on WM is because Rarity prompted him to drop the vote! Continuing, in response to MMT's casing Opop, Viva has this to say: quote:Continuing on Opop which is more interesting to me than WM: More defense of Opop, continuing trying to dismiss the case on him as weak and too scummy to be scum. And then this massive post here: VivaNova posted:OK, 6ish hours till a Fri night deadline. Opop's -2, WM's 2 behind. Only other vote is a weird one on FV. Her case on WM here is much more articulated than the case on Opop, and comes second in the post, which implies to me that it should be leading up to a vote on him. However, she hedges between the two at the end of the post, and doesn't put a vote down when it would be completely natural to do so from a town perspective. My thinking is that this is because she sees the Opop dunk as inevitable, and doesn't want to be seen casting a vote for the alternative option to him once he flips scum. VivaNova posted:Max is busy drinking an inferior beverage to beer. I can try to answer you since he's agreeing with something I posted but I feel I explained it pretty well. She jumps in to answer my question, which I posed directly to Max about why he was agreeing with her case. Why? VivaNova posted:So you don't actually need any clarification on this point, you're just trying to set dumb traps for people trying to actually play the game. Cool. She gets super snippy with me for doing nothing but mention that I thought it was interesting that she jumped in to answer a question about her that I posed directly to another player. I don't know why she seems to be so nervous about my trying to get Max to talk about her. VivaNova posted:I figured it was implied by my casing them and the fact they were the only two candidates for a while, but I couldv'e been clearer I guess. KingB calls her on her not voting after her case, or even saying whom she would vote. I don't like the way this response to that reads. VivaNova posted:RIP diqnol! Even though you read me wrong, you will be missed~ I dislike posts like this on principle, especially coming from a person who was the top scumread of the person who died, and who is under a lot of suspicion from other players.
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Mar 29, 2015 21:08
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Viva did not make a single vote yesterday.
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Mar 29, 2015 21:14
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Rarity posted:FV, what do you think of KB's posts about diqnol's death? It reads like confirmation bias to me. Like KB is saying I'm suspicious of these people, Diqnol was suspicious of these people, therefore scum. In isolation it doesn't look scummy just a bit basic.
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Mar 29, 2015 21:23
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Exact, could you sum up in 2 or 3 bullet points why Viva is scum?
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Mar 29, 2015 21:55
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fiery_valkyrie posted:Exact, could you sum up in 2 or 3 bullet points why Viva is scum?
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Mar 29, 2015 21:58
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Votecount for Day 2  VivaNova (2): CapitalistPig, EXAKT Science EXAKT Science (1): fiery_valkyrie TheRam (1): Max Rarity (1): King Burgundy King Burgundy (1): Poison Mushroom Not Voting (7): DuckHuntDog, Hal Incandenza, Murmur Twin, Rarity, TheRam, VivaNova, wall monitorWith 13 alive, it's 7 votes to lynch. The current deadline is March 30th, 2015 at 9 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 1 day, 3 hours.
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Mar 29, 2015 22:12
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EXAKT Science posted:From least to most damning, in my opinion: Ok, I actually like that better than your case, which just seemed to be you posting everything she said and saying "I dont like this". I will reread Viva tonight.
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fiery_valkyrie posted:Ok, I actually like that better than your case, which just seemed to be you posting everything she said and saying "I dont like this". I will reread Viva tonight. That's probably because I dislike pretty much everything she's posted :p
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Mar 29, 2015 22:13
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