Linux: vim isn't moe

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pram: Jun 10, 2001

*leans back deeply in chair and lights pipe* it wasnt in ubuntu until 2008

# ? Apr 9, 2015 05:20

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# ? Apr 25, 2024 17:35

pram: Jun 10, 2001

3 years short of a decade your honor

# ? Apr 9, 2015 05:21

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

by 2008 it mostly worked

so lol @ people bitching about pulseaudio in 2015

# ? Apr 9, 2015 05:34

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

what features did the sysv-heads bitch about in BSD when it was taking over

e: besides csh which would have been 100% deserved

Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Apr 9, 2015

# ? Apr 9, 2015 06:28

atomicthumbs: Dec 26, 2010; We're in the business of extending man's senses.

"So what's the deal with Linux wifi?" - jary sinefield

# ? Apr 9, 2015 08:26

Dubstep Jesus: Jun 27, 2012; by exmarx

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

by 2008 it mostly worked

so lol @ people bitching about pulseaudio in 2015

i used a linux with pulseaudio in 2009 and it was broken as gently caress

# ? Apr 9, 2015 08:27

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Gazpacho posted:

what features did the sysv-heads bitch about in BSD when it was taking over

e: besides csh which would have been 100% deserved

some people bemoaned the lack of STREAMS for networking because they wanted to do very complicated low-level poo poo and it let them, but infinitesimally few people actually needed that. everybody sane vastly preferred sockets as an API. (as terrible as it is, it's easier than STREAMS.)

BSD didn't fully succeed in its takeover until OS X was the most widely-deployed end-user Unix (a few minutes into the day it became the default OS on all new Macs)

otherwise, SysV "with BSD extensions" was the basis for virtually all the workstation and server OSes that were being released as of the mid-late-1990s, I think NeXT was really the only holdout on that front. even Sun succumbed, that's what their Solaris garbage was about.

# ? Apr 9, 2015 08:31

SYSV Fanfic: Sep 9, 2003; by Pragmatica

Sudo Echo posted:

lunix

If you aren't going to run games (lol) going with a full screen VM on top of windows is the way to go on a laptop. Esp. just for doing code academy or w/e.

Does that website teach anything useful or does it produce "programmers" that have to memorize an algorithm to reverse a list before an interview?

# ? Apr 9, 2015 14:08

cthulhoo: Jun 18, 2012

SYSV Fanfic posted:

Does that website teach anything useful or does it produce "programmers" that have to memorize an algorithm to reverse a list before an interview?

~fizbuzz~

# ? Apr 9, 2015 14:16

Forums Terrorist: Dec 8, 2011

how in god's name do you call yourself a programmer if you can't reverse a list, that's like 10 lines of code

# ? Apr 9, 2015 14:22

cthulhoo: Jun 18, 2012

lol 10 lines

do you make your own poo poo bubble sort too or what

# ? Apr 9, 2015 14:24

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

cthulhoo posted:

lol 10 lines

do you make your own poo poo bubble sort too or what

fizzbuzz();

# ? Apr 9, 2015 14:27

SYSV Fanfic: Sep 9, 2003; by Pragmatica

cthulhoo posted:

lol 10 lines

do you make your own poo poo bubble sort too or what

lol, didn't know psuedocode had a reverse method.

# ? Apr 9, 2015 14:34

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

SYSV Fanfic posted:

lol, didn't know psuedocode had a reverse method.

it.bing(you.rear end);

# ? Apr 9, 2015 14:42

SYSV Fanfic: Sep 9, 2003; by Pragmatica

Captain Foo posted:

it.bing(you.rear end);

free(shitposts->yours);

# ? Apr 9, 2015 14:45

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

SYSV Fanfic posted:

free(shitposts->yours);

i guess this post is a use after free error laffo

# ? Apr 9, 2015 14:58

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

eschaton posted:

some people bemoaned the lack of STREAMS for networking because they wanted to do very complicated low-level poo poo and it let them, but infinitesimally few people actually needed that. everybody sane vastly preferred sockets as an API. (as terrible as it is, it's easier than STREAMS.)

nobody ever liked STREAMS. performance was impractical for most purposes

every SysV vendor (except AT&T) shipped a sockets-based TCP/IP

eschaton posted:

BSD didn't fully succeed in its takeover until OS X was the most widely-deployed end-user Unix (a few minutes into the day it became the default OS on all new Macs)

otherwise, SysV "with BSD extensions" was the basis for virtually all the workstation and server OSes that were being released as of the mid-late-1990s, I think NeXT was really the only holdout on that front. even Sun succumbed, that's what their Solaris garbage was about.

sun's bsd kernel was garbage and they knew it. smp support was badly hacked in. the driver model was a mess. rather than go it alone on a rewrite, they teamed up with at&t to make svr4. that was the day bsd died.

osx is not really much of a bsd revival. it's proprietary, it doesn't use a bsd kernel, and it has approximately 0% of the old unix markets (workstations and servers)

# ? Apr 9, 2015 15:45

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Gazpacho posted:

what features did the sysv-heads bitch about in BSD when it was taking over

the only differences you would notice, as a user, were command line arguments for stuff like 'ps.'

all useful bsd features were routinely ported into SysV systems in the 1980s. this was easy to do because the berkeley software distribution (bsd) was basically a patchset for at&t unix. at&t licensees could pick and choose the bsd bits they wanted, and leave the rest behind.

bsd as an independent OS was pretty much a non-starter. by 1988, no vendor considered bsd viable. by 1995, csrg had given up entirely.

# ? Apr 9, 2015 15:49

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

After trying centos 7 and trying to use firewalld I've changed my mind, grey thread autist is right change is bad.

# ? Apr 9, 2015 16:10

OldAlias: Nov 2, 2013

firewalld is fine. it's better than loving iptables.

# ? Apr 9, 2015 16:24

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

OldAlias posted:

firewalld is fine. it's better than loving iptables.

It is, the ability to sensibly define services is great, I'm just struggling to debug something with it because I'm not used to it.
also :thejoke:

# ? Apr 9, 2015 16:29

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

quote:

Neither Linux nor GNU was a professional culture thing at their inception. Linux was a Finnish grad student's hobby project to make a POSIX OS. Stallman and GNU were academically-motivated rather than industrialist-motivated. If you don't think career academics are weird... I would doubt you've met any. If you don't think MIT-lineage hackers are weird... I would doubt you are having this conversation in good faith.

ddate being removed from util-linux (by one of your colleagues at Red Hat, in fact) is a somewhat recent example of the serious-businessing and professional-culture takeover. I don't expect you to agree with me. You benefit from the organization that pays you and supports your work having more control over what goes into the GNU + Linux ecosystem.

I already use Slackware on my personal machines. I also like BSD, which I have played with in the past, but not significantly enough to use it as my daily driver on my personal machines. I do use my sdf account regularly. I've seen the saying that I will now butcher, more than a few times, "Two things came out of Berkley in the sixties, LSD and BSD, this is not a mere coincidence."

Industry would have simply embraced, extended, and extinguished open source projects without the protections outlined in the GPL. These days, since the means of production (computers able to produce working code) can be had for a negligible cost, industry has moved to creating controllable software ecosystems and systemd seems to be a similar move to the embrace, extend, and extinguish model.

From your perspective, it's a closed file, but you work at the company that stands to benefit most, so excuse me if I take your opinion with a grain of salt.

midnightclimax posted:
Why specifically the porn industry? Where they more tech-savvy, or MS didn't want to cater to them?

Porn has always been bleeding edge with regard to media technology. At it's core, I'd chalk it up to liberal thinkers generally also being libertines.

# ? Apr 9, 2015 18:52

The_Franz: Aug 8, 2003

jre posted:

KEEP LINUX WEIRD!

lol this guy can't be for real

# ? Apr 9, 2015 19:50

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

i want to embrace, extend and extinguish his posts

# ? Apr 9, 2015 19:51

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

The_Franz posted:

KEEP LINUX WEIRD!

lol this guy can't be for real

I thought that at first, but he genuinely is that retarded

Suspicious Dish posted:

i want to embrace, extend and extinguish his posts

I'm the unironic use of early 2000 slashdot memes

# ? Apr 9, 2015 19:57

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

jre posted:

I'm the unironic use of early 2000 slashdot memes

# ? Apr 9, 2015 20:03

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

i hate pulseaudio because it's bloated with pointless features like network transparency

i also hate wayland because it rips out vital features like network transparency

-- actual things that i have genuinely believed in my shameful history as the kind of idiot nerd who uses linux on the desktop

# ? Apr 9, 2015 20:03

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE: Aug 1, 2004; whoa, what just happened here?; College Slice

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

reminder: xbill/xpoettering

# ? Apr 9, 2015 20:17

midnightclimax: Dec 3, 2011; by XyloJW

I need a beowulf cluster of hot grits puking natalie portman gifs.

# ? Apr 9, 2015 20:19

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

found this book today:

# ? Apr 9, 2015 21:12

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

Soricidus posted:

i hate pulseaudio because it's bloated with pointless features like network transparency

i also hate wayland because it rips out vital features like network transparency

-- actual things that i have genuinely believed in my shameful history as the kind of idiot nerd who uses linux on the desktop

lmao

# ? Apr 9, 2015 21:14

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Symbolic Butt posted:

found this book today:

i'm the rear end

# ? Apr 9, 2015 21:17

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

i'm the rear end

no poo poo

# ? Apr 9, 2015 22:19

BobHoward: Feb 13, 2012; The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

eschaton posted:

yeah, like has Linux seriously not had a central audio daemon until now? what a clown show.

it's not like someone couldn't have read up on Core Audio to see how it should be done

lennart has cited core audio as his main inspiration for pulse. of course being lennart he bikeshedded it a bit, e.g. he just had to force network transparency in rather than letting that be an external client, but supposedly its modeled on core audio

this influence is great source material for beardos going full :supaburn:

about linux being taken over by dirty foreign terrorists. same goes for systemd since poettering has been known to acknowledge launchd influence

# ? Apr 10, 2015 00:26

pseudorandom name: May 6, 2007

is "network transparency" just another way of saying "capable of playing audio on Bluetooth headphones" or are you talking about something else?

# ? Apr 10, 2015 00:33

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

pseudorandom name posted:

is "network transparency" just another way of saying "capable of playing audio on Bluetooth headphones" or are you talking about something else?

one of my tasks was like "make bluetooth work on this machine with a realtek chip" and I'm glad it wasn't specified that I had to make it play audio too

I don't know how bad that would be, I just know it was fairly hard to make it transfer files at all

# ? Apr 10, 2015 00:48

Origin: Feb 15, 2006

i don't know about this linnart pottery guy but if he's making lunix nerds poo poo themselves in absolute rage he must be doing something good.

systemd loving rules.

pulseaudio loving rules.

# ? Apr 10, 2015 01:11

Origin: Feb 15, 2006

why are you taking my operating system past the early 90s! :qq:

# ? Apr 10, 2015 01:14

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

pseudorandom name posted:

is "network transparency" just another way of saying "capable of playing audio on Bluetooth headphones" or are you talking about something else?

bluetooth audio finally works properly on linux with bluez 4.x. unless you want to hook up a headset. in which case it is completely, totally, irreparably broken and the mailing lists are full of fingerpointing

speakers: totally hunky-dory

headset: lol not our job, maybe you should try contributing some patches to this other project over here :smug:

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# ? Apr 25, 2024 17:35

SYSV Fanfic: Sep 9, 2003; by Pragmatica

Haven't been able to install fglrx and wine at the same time from the repos since 14.10. Here's hoping for 15.04.

# ? Apr 10, 2015 02:06

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