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SYSV Fanfic posted:Haven't been able to install fglrx and wine at the same time from the repos since 14.10. Here's hoping for 15.04. this has come up like 100x times in this thread but you never listen 1. fglrx is completely useless don't even try to install it, nothing good lies down that road 2. ubuntu lol
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BobHoward posted:lennart has cited core audio as his main inspiration for pulse. of course being lennart he bikeshedded it a bit, e.g. he just had to force network transparency in rather than letting that be an external client, but supposedly its modeled on core audio excellent, sounds like there's at least one person in the Linux world doing things right!
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pseudorandom name posted:is "network transparency" just another way of saying "capable of playing audio on Bluetooth headphones" or are you talking about something else? oh no, it's something far worse: "the application playing some audio shouldn't have to be running on the same computer as the speakers it's coming out of" they saw X-Windows and its crazy concept of "network transparency" and decided that was the right way to do audio too. no doubt there's plenty of code in all of its critical paths to deal with the possibility of the latency etc. involved in sending audio over a LAN or WAN and trying to keep it in sync with something else.
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oh, like AirPlay
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pseudorandom name posted:oh, like AirPlay is airplay proprietary?
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Smythe posted:is airplay proprietary? it is
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Soricidus posted:i hate pulseaudio because it's bloated with pointless features like network transparency well at least you got better 
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Celexi posted:it is fail
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Soricidus posted:i hate pulseaudio because it's bloated with pointless features like network transparency i use linux on desktop but actually wanted those things (and systemd) as i realized init/alsa/oss/xorg were really bad and outdated, i am not sure what makes people like those things so much to be blinded by whatever may be better on something else newer
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Celexi posted:i use linux on desktop but actually wanted those things (and systemd) as i realized init/alsa/oss/xorg were really bad and outdated, i am not sure what makes people like those things so much to be blinded by whatever may be better on something else newer well tbf retarded ubuntu devs pushed pulseaudio while it was unstable, systemd is pure grognard rage tho
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Apr 10, 2015 06:58
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Should I install Pulseaudio on my Debian laptop? I do not currently have any problems with audio at all.
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Apr 10, 2015 09:20
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why gently caress with something that works
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cthulhoo posted:why gently caress with something that works he's running debian
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well at least its not fedora or some other flavor of permabroken horrorshow lmao
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cthulhoo posted:permabroken horrorshow Like dish said, he's running Debian
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Apr 10, 2015 09:56
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I run Fedora on my gaming desktop, on which sound also works. This is not the Linux experience I am used to. Good thing I also have an OpenBSD server.
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Apr 10, 2015 10:25
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Athas posted:Should I install Pulseaudio on my Debian laptop? it's not standard? lol debian
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cthulhoo posted:well at least its not fedora or some other flavor of permabroken horrorshow lmao fedora is the distro i've had less troubles with, i have yet to have to tune or change anything on it at all, sound works, nvidia drivers are self updated to latest, all steam games work fine, nothing i can think of never "just" worked out of the box, unlike debian/ubuntu/mint which i was basically hours tuning poo poo
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unironic defense of desktop linux itt shameful *tugs on suspenders* my, uh, fedora linux, you see, ~just works~ on my laptop *uses gnome3* *is retarded*
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Apr 10, 2015 11:27
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Could always be worse. Someone could be a gentoo user.
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Apr 10, 2015 11:50
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nonono wait for it arch http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?p=3641 best part is how this retard literally charred his garbage craptop while compiling something on it
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Apr 10, 2015 11:51
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ubuntu worked on my shitbox, praise satan(?)
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ive been using desktop linux since about 2002 or 2003, and the only thing i would like that it doesnt already have/do might be some windows-style remote desktop, where the local screen is locked, the session is reassigned to a remote protocol with probably a different screen resolution, and graphical effects are turned off for the remote session i am totally ignorant about wayland, would it make that kind of thing any easier?
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Apr 10, 2015 13:07
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wayland would probably do that
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:this has come up like 100x times in this thread but you never listen 1. Pioneer requires it 2. You are an rear end in a top hat, sir.
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i hate ubuntu but i really like kubuntu kubuntu is getting even better since now even though canonical doesnt "support" it anymore it seems to be what all of the KDE devs are using to prototype KDE 5 their testing ISOs are built from kubuntu 15.04 but with a bunch of PPAs added first to get brand new KDE packages most of the recent testing ISOs werent worth using since they arent very different from the kubuntu 15.04 im using on my laptop already, but they just released plasma 5.3 and kbntu 15.04 is frozen on 5.2 so i will have to play with the next iso
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cthulhoo posted:unironic defense of desktop linux itt who told you about my suspenders
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pseudorandom name posted:oh, like AirPlay your remote display protocol is a piece of poo poo
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eschaton posted:oh no, it's something far worse: "the application playing some audio shouldn't have to be running on the same computer as the speakers it's coming out of" LAN latency is under 1 ms
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cthulhoo posted:well tbf retarded ubuntu devs pushed pulseaudio while it was unstable, systemd is pure grognard rage tho systemd is still pretty rough around the edges i'm a little surprised it's in rhel 7
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:LAN latency is under 1 ms yeah, way less than BT audio, and if you're trying to keep it in sync with something that something is probably video and much more heavyweight
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So what is the advantage of NetworkManager over wpa_supplicant with wpa_gui? It even has a tray icon. And it's all the same lovely drivers underneath. The only problem I have with wpa_supplicant is that it is sometimes really stupid/lazy about telling the DHCP client that it should try to get a new IP address since the connection just changed.
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Recent NetworkManager (>= 1.0.0) has a built-in dhcp client originally created by  the systemd heathens it's off by default tho you have to edit some poo poo in /etc to switch it on
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cthulhoo posted:nonono uhh notable yospos poo poo desktop enthusiast 'oval office n paste' unironically advocated arch AND gnome 3
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Apr 10, 2015 18:37
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lmao @ this ncurses wifi menu
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pram posted:lmao @ this but man does it fly. Edit: Hopefully into a wall at high speed.
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cthulhoo posted:nonono quote:In spite of my problems, I’m very glad I don’t need to mess with the Windows or Mac world. They are more bloated, yet more constrained. The Linux desktop has plenty of workitems, but it advances everywhere. I’m surprised Arch is only the 9th most popular version of Linux on Distrowatch. However, if you add in Manjaro and Antergos, it would be #2. (I recommend people run Antergos rather than Manjaro, if they don’t want to install from the command line as it uses the official Arch repositories.) lol
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I'm the 9th most popular version of Linux.
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pram posted:lmao @ this
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