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Hollismason posted:Did anyone notice the cover change on Daredevil on Netflix ? I don't remember him being in the suit and now he's in the suit. Or am I imagining that. You're not. It happened over the weekend at some point; the thumbnail changed. My prediction is, they didn't want to spoil what the suit looked like for binge-watching nerds and held off on that for a few days. Now there's a suit so more casual watchers will know, "hey, superheroes." Edit: Hijo Del Helmsley posted:I've saw it posted on various places, but I really hope when they cast Danny, they make him Asian-American. I never realised how "and the white guy arrives and he's better than the natives automatically" Danny's origin story was until it was pointed out. Totally. Which is especially annoying because Dr. Strange does this exact same thing. They might wind up with two of those stories in the same year. I get the complaint that casting an Asian guy as a mystical Ancient Chinese Secret kung fu wizard is racially exotifying. But let's be honest: there is no way to avoid this complaint for a show called Iron Fist, regardless of who the lead is. I'd argue an Asian-American protagonist would at least mitigate that distaste a little. And when else will they cast an Asian guy for a lead role, if not for that? Xealot fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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I really want Danny to be Asian too. It really sucks that all the heroes with their own solo film/shows up this point are white and with the exception of Peggy, menXealot posted:You're not. It happened over the weekend at some point; the thumbnail changed. When I first saw it, I thought it must have changed because I finished it. It's a total bait and switch to new viewers, though. The costume is awesome, but he doesn't wear it till the last bit of the last episode. WickedHate fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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Apr 14, 2015 01:22
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Gilok posted:Personally I hope they get whoever is the best actor regardless of race Correct answer.
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Apr 14, 2015 01:24
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So would Danny then be the "wrong kind of asian" for certain important characters in his story instead of the "wrong kind of everything"?
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Apr 14, 2015 01:26
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Prepare yourself for Danny to not be Asian.
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^Ugh, I prefer living in denial. Much more comfortable.Gilok posted:Personally I hope they get whoever is the best actor regardless of race BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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Deadpool posted:Correct answer. You wouldn't say that about Luke Cage. zoux posted:Prepare yourself for Danny to not be Asian. Chances are low, but he really needs to be.
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zoux posted:Prepare yourself for Danny to not be Asian. It's OK, his family is historically from East of Moscow Russia, so he's technically Asian!
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Apr 14, 2015 01:30
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What are the chances they could get Jet Li or Jacky Chan to play some of the elders in the series? One of them as Lei Kung the Thunderer would be pretty cool.
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Can I confess that even though I've read all of Daredevil through 2013, it was binge-reading and I couldn't keep track of the 8,000 Marvel characters who wandered into the comic over the years? I thought I would be good on references in this thread, but I'm not. The fanfic out there is really hosed up, too. You have to know every character ever, then imagine them all genderbent, blind, living in a hospital, and also they're all gay.
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:I've saw it posted on various places, but I really hope when they cast Danny, they make him Asian-American. I never realised how "and the white guy arrives and he's better than the natives automatically" Danny's origin story was until it was pointed out. Making the 'Gifted Martial Artist' character Asian isn't exactly amazing either.
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Kainser posted:Making the 'Gifted Martial Artist' character Asian isn't exactly amazing either. Look, I'll settle for a gifted Asian-style martial artist BEING Asian. That is how low my expectations are.
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BrianWilly posted:^Ugh, I prefer living in denial. Much more comfortable. Riiiight, but his story is specifically that he is not a part of that culture and kind of accidents his way into being Iron Fist. This isn't to say that he can't be Asian, but even if he is he has to be extremely American. Which IMO is almost more offensive, as it suggests that Asians have genetic Kung Fu. But Marvel is totally not going to cast an Asian guy. Prepare for disappointment. Personally I hope he's Latino  EDIT: It's also kind of reductionist to boil his entire story down to "White guy is better at Asian stuff than Asian guys." It's possible to tell the story from the comics respectfully and without bias, as evidenced by the fact that half the people here didn't notice that interpretation was possible until it was pointed out. Cool Dad fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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Kainser posted:Making the 'Gifted Martial Artist' character Asian isn't exactly amazing either. Just go all in and make him English. Gilok posted:But Marvel is totally not going to cast an Asian guy. Prepare for disappointment. Personally I hope he's Latino A scion of a wealthy Brazilian family, and the entire movie all the mystic kung fu masters poo poo all over BJJ.
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Gyges posted:Just go all in and make him English. Tom Wu is Chinese British - best of both worlds?
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Kainser posted:Making the 'Gifted Martial Artist' character Asian isn't exactly amazing either.
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Xtanstic posted:You're doing the Lord's work, son. Thanks!  1x05      1x06     
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zoux posted:Prepare yourself for Danny to not be Asian. It seems more possible here than with most Marvel properties, though. The leads of the other two shows are a white woman and black man, and Daredevil himself is already a white guy, so I could see a situation where diversity-minded casting is important and they select an East Asian actor.
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Xealot posted:It seems more possible here than with most Marvel properties, though. The leads of the other two shows are a white woman and black man, and Daredevil himself is already a white guy, so I could see a situation where diversity-minded casting is important and they select an East Asian actor. It's not and people are pre-emptively (and I'd say knowingly) setting themselves up for a lot of disappointment and bitching when Danny is inevitably Not Asian.
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WickedHate posted:You wouldn't say that about Luke Cage. No I wouldn't because I'm not stupid.
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Hey gif-master, if I could get the scene in episode 4 when Matt finds out that Claire is in danger and sprints down the street, turns into an alley (simultaneously throwing his walking stick into the garbage) and scampers up a wall to kick in her door, so that I can use it as my sole method of communicating urgency or eagerness to get to a place or do a thing, I'd be real appreciative. I dunno how I'm gonna wait for the rest of the Netflix Marvel shows to come out. I'm really looking forward to seeing the shows become more intertwined as we go along and gently caress if I'm not ready to see what Coker does with Luke Cage.
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Oh Snapple! posted:It's not and people are pre-emptively (and I'd say knowingly) setting themselves up for a lot of disappointment and bitching when Danny is inevitably Not Asian. Yeah, Marvel has been pretty consistently going for a physical likeness to the comic character for the lead roles in all of their properties so far. Like, Scott Lang being dark haired is a daring choice for them. I'd say you could change some of the supporting characters to be Asian, like they changed Ben to be black, but all of Iron Fist's supporting characters are already Asian.
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Here is the thing I think it's more important that the character be useful for telling relevant and interesting stories that will appeal to as large an audience as possible than it is to fulfill anyones racial or national pride. While Danny's origins as a white man definitely owe to racism it's ironic that his status as a white man is likely a better hook for stories about racism, othering, and alienation than if he had been asian the whole time.
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Gilok posted:But Marvel is totally not going to cast an Asian guy. Prepare for disappointment. Personally I hope he's Latino White Tiger guest appearing would be all kinds of great.
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Just make Danny a gay black woman like the guy earlier suggested. Problem solved. 
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NecroMonster posted:Here is the thing I think it's more important that the character be useful for telling relevant and interesting stories that will appeal to as large an audience as possible than it is to fulfill anyones racial or national pride. Here is the other thing: I think I'd be more interested in White Guilt in Asia: The TV Series  edit: Well, I take that last part back. Forgot about Agents of SHIELD which means that I am probably the real racist. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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Oh God everyone shut up about Iron Fist's potential casting.
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Everything was going so great and then the last half hour of the last episode happened. Such a paint-by-numbers ending. Also the costume sucks. Gimme back the black t-shirt over his head any day.
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dj_clawson posted:Can I confess that even though I've read all of Daredevil through 2013, it was binge-reading and I couldn't keep track of the 8,000 Marvel characters who wandered into the comic over the years? I thought I would be good on references in this thread, but I'm not. Why are you reading Daredevil Fanfic?
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Steve Yun posted:Everything was going so great and then the last half hour of the last episode happened. Such a paint-by-numbers ending. The worst part about the costume is how much is squashes Charlie Cox's face together. It makes him look really goofy.
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I think Daredevil's ponytail mask is waay better looking than his devil mask, but I am comforted by the fact that Ironfist'll have a similar ponytail mask.
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Drifter posted:I think Daredevil's ponytail mask is waay better looking than his devil mask, but I am comforted by the fact that Ironfist'll have a similar ponytail mask. The proto-bandanna mask with the upgraded suit would have been sweet.
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Steve Yun posted:Everything was going so great and then the last half hour of the last episode happened. Such a paint-by-numbers ending. it was good enough for Zorro
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Steve Yun posted:Everything was going so great and then the last half hour of the last episode happened. Such a paint-by-numbers ending. Objection, 'the last half hour' includes the always hilarious and fun 'scumbags getting arrested by the FBI while opera plays' montage and I won't have that smeared.
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I feel like the face portion of the costume is still awkwardly pouty for some reason, but I do like how it all looks as a whole. The one thing, though, is that it's pretty immediately obvious that the suit does restrict his movements a lot more than the turtleneck and sweatpants. Hopefully they'll work on that a bit for the second season.
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Steve Yun posted:Okay, the last 25 minutes then I genuinely like the end. It's exactly as cliche as you'd expect of course but I dunno, Fisk's final speech, the great fight, the general satisfaction of it not ending on some grim dark note and instead 'yea gently caress that fat turd we won', they did good with a cliche.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I genuinely like the end. It's exactly as cliche as you'd expect of course but I dunno, Fisk's final speech, the great fight, the general satisfaction of it not ending on some grim dark note and instead 'yea gently caress that fat turd we won', they did good with a cliche. I have a feeling that the director is a HUGE fan of The Dark Knight. Sure, it's the greatest comic book movie of all time, but he was practically outright stealing from it with the music and the dead cops.
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dj_clawson posted:I have a feeling that the director is a HUGE fan of The Dark Knight. Sure, it's the greatest comic book movie of all time, but he was practically outright stealing from it with the music and the dead cops. Counterpoint (I'm defending a scene I thought was ok way too hard), the paddy wagon raid was a very fast 'realistic' (for a comic book) scene rather than a twenty minute rocket launcher chase. It was just a really great speech followed by "WOOPS IT'S ARMED GOON TIME" That said yea, very clear 'hey guys Batman was cool, right, Daredevil's like Batman!' moment there. There were others but that was probably the most blatant. Have they talked season 2 at all? It feels like this was made to be a one and done thing but since nearly everyone is saying 'holy poo poo this is great' I could see them doing a second. Maybe get Elektra in the mix and redeem THAT terrible movie for a full circle?
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