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Tatum Girlparts posted:Have they talked season 2 at all? It feels like this was made to be a one and done thing but since nearly everyone is saying 'holy poo poo this is great' I could see them doing a second. Maybe get Elektra in the mix and redeem THAT terrible movie for a full circle? Deadpool posted:The deal on season two is this, the entire Marvel/Netflix deal was already budgeted for five shows at $200 million. There would be time to do another season of Daredevil before the Defenders team up if they wanted, but it would have to be a separate deal that would have to be funded separately. They also would have to worry about oversaturation of the Marvel brand on Netflix and whether a potential season two would mess up whatever they have planned story wise for the other shows. So yeah they could do it if they work out the money for it, but we probably won't know that for a bit.
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BrianWilly posted:I feel like the face portion of the costume is still awkwardly pouty for some reason, but I do like how it all looks as a whole. The one thing, though, is that it's pretty immediately obvious that the suit does restrict his movements a lot more than the turtleneck and sweatpants. Hopefully they'll work on that a bit for the second season. 
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Woops, missed that. Sounds fair to me. I understand Netflix not wanting to be Marvel Instant-lite. Honestly though if the other shows do this well I could see that becoming a more tempting option, people are thirsting for some sweet rear end super hero stuff and The Flash and Arrow seem to be kicking rear end for DC still.
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dj_clawson posted:I have a feeling that the director is a HUGE fan of The Dark Knight. Sure, it's the greatest comic book movie of all time, but he was practically outright stealing from it with the music and the dead cops. Seems fair, seeing as The Dark Knight is just cribbing from what is ultimately Daredevil.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Counterpoint (I'm defending a scene I thought was ok way too hard), the paddy wagon raid was a very fast 'realistic' (for a comic book) scene rather than a twenty minute rocket launcher chase. It was just a really great speech followed by "WOOPS IT'S ARMED GOON TIME" Everything's totally up in the air, and who knows if they'll even make a second season (I do, they will) but DeKnight has shown interest. Here's the most concrete thing that's been said so far: quote:“Looking forward, there are so many stories to tell,” says showrunner Steven DeKnight, speaking exclusively to SciFiNow. “The Hand, Elektra, Bullseye… with a 13-episode arc you don’t have to rush it; you can explore. That’s not to say we are going to do Bullseye and Elektra, but it’s on the radar.”
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I'm glad they didn't do Elektra this season, because I've never cared about her. I've never cared about Daredevil too awfully much either before this series though.
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It's OK guys, Iron Fist is going to rock the tactical turtleneck and the bandana. I mean, it'll be green and yellow, but totally in line with stylish sanity. If Marvel fucks that up then to hell with them.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Counterpoint (I'm defending a scene I thought was ok way too hard), the paddy wagon raid was a very fast 'realistic' (for a comic book) scene rather than a twenty minute rocket launcher chase. It was just a really great speech followed by "WOOPS IT'S ARMED GOON TIME" I didn't think the scene was bad. It was just in a movie I had already seen. I can't blame him for stealing from the best. Netflix doesn't announce things until they feel like announcing things. That's just how they work. Plus it usually takes them like a month to get a feel for how many people watched it. House of Cards is their biggest show and the renewal took about that long.
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So I just binge-watched this. A lot of the fights were great. There's a few times where DD is supposed to be super beat up, like, broken ribs beat up, and he's still doing unnecessary flips and stuff. But hey whatever I'll take it over the usual boring TV fights. Between stuff like DD, Banshee, and True Detective's long-take scene, a lot of other shows are going to need to step up their fight choreography and cinematography if they don't want to look like jokes in comparison. The story was mostly predictable (but still fun to watch) but I liked that they try to throw in little twists and subversions every now and then. Like during the bombing episode, one shot pointedly shows Fisk pocketing Vanessa's gun. Then later in the episode Fisk is thanking the guy who 'secretly' made a phone call to the Russians, and Fisk reaches into what looks like the same pocket with the gun like a generic bad guy scene where he kills his own guy, only to pull out an envelope of cash to actually thank him because he wanted him to make that call. I hope next season they just ditch the flashbacks or at least reduce them a lot. They were alright, but just kinda not as good as the present-day stuff. Sometimes it made perfect sense to have them, like flashing back to Matt training with Stick, or Fisk killing his dad, which was a very important plot point. But a lot od them seemed to be like "hey look at the main character, isn't he such a good guy." Tatum Girlparts posted:Objection, 'the last half hour' includes the always hilarious and fun 'scumbags getting arrested by the FBI while opera plays' montage and I won't have that smeared. I found it funny when the melodramatic music climaxed, and the shot was on some guy we barely saw the entire season slowmo walking surrounded by the cops that arrested him. "Oh hey they arrested... whatever that guy's name was supposed to be." If the rest of the Netflix Marvel stuff is this good then it's gonna be a blast.
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Apr 14, 2015 02:58
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Did DD kill the truck driver, at the end?
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prezbuluskey posted:Did DD kill the truck driver, at the end? He never kills anybody. Sure, he points them into comas, of gives them lasting damage that maybe cripples them for life, but he doesn't directly kill anybody. Wait, except that guy he set on fire. He killed that guy.
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Apr 14, 2015 03:14
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double negative posted:Hey gif-master, if I could get the scene in episode 4 when Matt finds out that Claire is in danger and sprints down the street, turns into an alley (simultaneously throwing his walking stick into the garbage) and scampers up a wall to kick in her door, so that I can use it as my sole method of communicating urgency or eagerness to get to a place or do a thing, I'd be real appreciative. No prob! 
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I wish we had gotten a hair more courtroom stuff. Not a lot, but just one more case going to trial on screen would have been really nice to see. For a character who's supposed to be a lawyer, they really shied away from having him do lawyer-y stuff on screen.
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Apr 14, 2015 03:17
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Someone needs to supercut every single instance of Murdock throwing his walking stick away. AFAIK it only happens like 3 times though.
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Apr 14, 2015 03:21
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Daredevil is rife with scenes and dialogue that feel like they were cribbed from other shows. Drunken Master 2 fight moves, talk of destroying a city to rebuild it better (is that Robocop or Batman Begins?), the hallway fight from Oldboy with the camera from Raid 2, the 360 rotating camera inside a car from Children of Men, the luxury porn from the Hannibal series, practically half of everything from Batman Year One. But you know what? They made it work and if they're going to copy stuff at least they copied from the best. I still think the ending was poo poo though.
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Apr 14, 2015 03:27
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PunkBoy posted:No prob! It looks more comical than anything when sped up, heh.
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dj_clawson posted:He never kills anybody. Sure, he points them into comas, of gives them lasting damage that maybe cripples them for life, but he doesn't directly kill anybody. Wait, except that guy he set on fire. He killed that guy. He died, but it wasn't intentional. Matt was deflecting his sickle and it struck a light right over the gas-soaked man. Self-defense.
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Apr 14, 2015 03:29
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I didn't stab him, he just ran into my sword!
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Apr 14, 2015 03:32
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Wolpertinger posted:It looks more comical than anything when sped up, heh. Hrm, guess I need to cut back on frame capture rate, haha.
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Apr 14, 2015 03:35
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Valeyard posted:I didn't stab him, he just ran into my sword! Yeah ok.
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I just finished. This is loving great. Holy poo poo. I'm going to watch it again. I need to. It's so drat great. They actually made me cry with Matt's dad, Mrs. Cardenas and Ben.
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Apoplexy posted:He died, but it wasn't intentional. Matt was deflecting his sickle and it struck a light right over the gas-soaked man. Self-defense. I think this is what actually happened maybe I just rewatched the scene so it look like it was matt trying to distract him so kind of not Daredevils fault, although he does say he's going to kill Wilson. Gif of the guy getting torched please.
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Desperado Bones posted:This is loving great. Holy poo poo. I'm going to watch it again. I need to. It's so drat great. They actually made me cry with Matt's dad, Mrs. Cardenas and Ben. This show managed to get me choked up over Kingpin. I really was not expecting that.
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1x07       Boma Yeeeee
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Hollismason posted:I think this is what actually happened maybe I just rewatched the scene so it look like it was matt trying to distract him so kind of not Daredevils fault, although he does say he's going to kill Wilson. At this point Matt was still thinking he was alright with committing murder. Personally, I have no question that he purposefully deflected that blade into the lamp to cause the fire. Bouncing stuff around like that is a big thing for Daredevil, that's one of main uses of the billy club thing he has, like what Stick did with the bottlecap. Think Cap and his shield.  Maybe he had it thought out that Nobu could jump into the river and survive if he wanted to.
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Steve Yun posted:This show managed to get me choked up over Kingpin. I really was not expecting that. Neither did Ben Urich!
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Steve Yun posted:practically half of everything from Batman Year One. You do know that Batman Year was written by Frank Miller and before that he wrote Daredevil? The show was mostly based off that run.
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XboxPants posted:At this point Matt was still thinking he was alright with committing murder. Personally, I have no question that he purposefully deflected that blade into the lamp to cause the fire. Bouncing stuff around like that is a big thing for Daredevil, that's one of main uses of the billy club thing he has, like what Stick did with the bottlecap. Think Cap and his shield. Death-Stalker! One of the best DD villains.
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For those guys wanting a Punisher show I think instead he should just be a dude who shows up in every other Marvel tv show from time to time. The hero has got the bad guy cornered and is letting them know that their behaviour is unacceptable when the Punisher bursts in the window and unloads a machine gun into the baddie, then runs off to find the next scumbag as the hero shakes their fist and yells "CAAAAAAASTTLLEEE!"
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XboxPants posted:At this point Matt was still thinking he was alright with committing murder. Personally, I have no question that he purposefully deflected that blade into the lamp to cause the fire. Bouncing stuff around like that is a big thing for Daredevil, that's one of main uses of the billy club thing he has, like what Stick did with the bottlecap. Think Cap and his shield. In the end though, there's a pretty big difference between desperately lashing out when someone is literally seconds away from killing you, and ending up killing them instead, and deliberately killing someone when you had the option to not do so. Same reason he doesn't get incredibly guilty if gangsters end up killing each other when trying to shoot him, and miss and hit another gangster. It's enough of a distinction that you probably can say that he's not a 'killer' or a 'murderer', much more than you'd start throwing that at someone who ended up killing someone in self defense, at least. Chances are, if he saw any way to disable Nobu nonlethally, he would have. He's not like Arrow who uses arrows to the chest as a first resort (and with whom all the agonizing over whether or not he's a killer is much sillier). Wolpertinger fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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Wolpertinger posted:In the end though, there's a pretty big difference between desperately lashing out when someone is literally seconds away from killing you, and ending up killing them instead, and deliberately killing someone when you had the option to not do so. Same reason he doesn't get incredibly guilty if gangsters end up killing each other when trying to shoot him, and miss and hit another gangster. It's enough of a distinction that you probably can say that he's not a 'killer' or a 'murderer', much more than you'd start throwing that at someone who ended up killing someone in self defense, at least. Chances are, if he saw any way to disable Nobu nonlethally, he would have. Oh yeah, definitely. It maps well to the legal definitions of what would be considered "murder", which is pretty fitting for the character.
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I thought Saint Matthew would be a interesting saint but no he's the patron saint of bankers.
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PunkBoy posted:Hrm, guess I need to cut back on frame capture rate, haha. Haha no, that's perfect, thanks man. I found the scene hilarious at normal speed, and your gif only amplifies the effect.
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Just finished watching. My thoughts: -Production values are just outstanding, far above either Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. or Agent Carter. The cinematography, choreography, and sound design (the last of which serves to convey Matt's powers in a far more effective manner than the CG filters of the 2003 film) merit special praise. -There really isn't a weak link in the cast. Well, Elden Henson maybe plays things a little broader here and there as Foggy, but it's still an entertaining performance. -I'm happy that the Netflix shows are all being filmed on location in NYC, but as a resident, the fact that the vast majority was shot outside HK (mostly Brooklyn and some Harlem, AFAIK) is a tad off-putting. The shot about 10 minutes in of what's clearly the Bedford Avenue L exit in Williamsburg, labeled "50th St C/E," kinda sets the tone. But it's not like the real HK reflects the vibe the show is going for, so there probably wasn't a better option (not that Williamsburg really does either, but it's only really conspicuous in that one shot). -Speaking of tone, this really is totally unlike anything in the MCU to date. It's the first Marvel-produced live-action series that doesn't feel like it's following the lead of the films in any significant way, not just with respect to continuity but stylistically as well. -Consequently, it's hard to imagine this Daredevil ever meeting Captain America or Iron Man (whether that ever actually happens onscreen is another matter), but that's not really a bad thing - lord knows the 616 universe encompasses a ton of series that are wildly divergent in style and tone; while the Marvel Studios house style isn't as monolithic as the company's detractors claim, it does exist and it's nice to see something in the MCU that doesn't make any attempt to adhere to it at all, even though I personally prefer the lighter tone of the Waid run to the grim-and-gritty Miller and Bendis runs that were the primary inspiration. I do hope that the other Marvel Netflix series are allowed to similarly define their own tone and not required to adhere strictly to this one, however. -Vondie Curtis-Hall is great as Ben Urich, even if the "print journalism good, Internet bad" poo poo would have been embarrassingly dated a half-decade ago. -Madame Gao is a fun character and I really like what she sets up for future Netflix series. But I wish she adhered less to Orientalist cliches. -The "PG-16" level of violence is mostly well suited to the story, though the endings of episodes 3 and 4 were both much too over-the-top for my taste. OMG THIS ISN'T KIDDY PG-13 MARVEL SO DARK AND EDGY. -Speaking of problems with tone: In interview after interview, the producers said their intent was to make "a crime drama first and a superhero series second." They mostly succeeded, perhaps a bit too well, because... -The series places so much emphasis on Daredevil's Gritty, Realistic Struggle Against Realistic Crime that the few parts that do emphasize the more fantastic, comic-booky aspects of the character's history (particularly in episodes 7 and 9) feel pretty incongruous with the rest of the series. -That's not to say that I'd have been happier had said elements been ignored entirely; to do so wouldn't feel true to the character or this universe. But I do wish DeKnight et al. had either introduced those elements in a more subtle manner, or made a more comic-booky, less "realistic" show that placed more emphasis on those elements. (Preferably the latter, especially since it's hard to see how any Daredevil S2 could be made without taking things in a more fantastic direction anyway, given the other Netflix shows and certain plot threads in this one). Despite a few niggles, this is a fantastic start to the Defenders megaproject and one of the best things to come out of the MCU to date. Here's hoping the rest of the Netflix shows can match this level of quality.
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dj_clawson posted:He never kills anybody. Sure, he points them into comas, of gives them lasting damage that maybe cripples them for life, but he doesn't directly kill anybody. Wait, except that guy he set on fire. He killed that guy. He was a Hand ninja. They don't count. They get resurrected all the time. Also, I think if they just took away the part of the mask that covers Matt's nose, it would look a lot better. Make it more like Captain America's mask in form, but leave the dark eyes and the way the rest of it is connected.
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When it comes to Madame Gao/the Hand/Iron Fist stuff in general, I think people do get a bit too sensitive about all the cliches - it's not like a massive amount of ancient mystical asian kung fu cliches aren't used in chinese-made wuxia movies/books/manhua anyway. And ideally, Iron Fist should be a little bit wuxia-like anyway. You can use those cliches with a bit of a tongue in cheek and still stay in good taste as long as you don't get racist with stereotypes, I think. They even poke fun at it with Foggy rolling his eyes when Matt is like 'yeah i had a wise old blind mentor who taught me kung fu'.
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jivjov posted:I wish we had gotten a hair more courtroom stuff. Not a lot, but just one more case going to trial on screen would have been really nice to see. For a character who's supposed to be a lawyer, they really shied away from having him do lawyer-y stuff on screen. That was always my favorite part of the comics, when he's not Daredevil. Of course that's missing the point, so I can't really complain if he's constantly Daredevil, but I do love it when he's not, he's just a blind guy pretending to be more blind than he is. Almost all of my favorite scenes came out of that: when he jumps up the building in the suit, when he's at the gallery with Vanessa, when he's sort of hitting on the real estate agent (on the rewatch, Foggy's expressions are great in that scene), whenever he's using some fancy legit gadget for blind people, when he was introduced to Ben (who was TOTALLY onto him, or at least that was my reading of it), et cetera. Wasn't a big fan of the priest scenes, though. The thing about confession is, I believe, that you do more talking than the priest does. Except for the first scene, he really just shows up and gets a lecture. You can't be absolved unless you confess, right? Why do I know more about Catholicism than Matt, and I'm not Christian?
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You are allowed to talk to priests without it being confession. Edit: I do think the "forgiveness for what I'm about to do" thing is probably overdone to the point of cliche. Not the best way to start the series for me. Tree Dude fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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Timett posted:You are allowed to talk to priests without it being confession. My understanding of Christian history is that some people in Germany got pretty upset about the Church offering absolution for sins not yet committed.
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