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ShineDog posted:The soul searching is a big part of comic Matt. It ended up really dragging in the midway however. Perhaps I've just had enough of the "WE'RE THE SAME YOU AND I" that features in literally every superhero fiction. It's not cliche if it's actually true and not just a weak rhetorical flourish on part of the villain. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:It's not cliche if it's actually true and not just a weak rhetorical flourish on part of the villain. Yeah, normally when a villain breaks that out I roll my eyes, but this show earned it and it was a pretty big aspect of what motivated Murdock's choices.
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Apr 14, 2015 23:41
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Chill Penguin posted:Am I too late for Iron Fist casting chat? Well, I don't know about Danny Rand, but if they bring Shang-Chi into it then they ought to cast that Afghani kid who is pretty much a reincarnated Bruce Lee: He would have been a great star in the Clones of Bruce Lee film.
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WickedHate posted:And whoever left would have to live under Hydra's rule, which isn't likely to be all that fun. They presumably didn't know about Thor being on Earth, so Hydra's rule PROBABLY wouldn't have "stuck" after Thor smashed up their Superweapons. (And yeah Dr Doom and Magneto at least have basically personally committed several 9/11s each to new york alone so that panel is even more dumb than just "yeah they've killed more people than that")
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Apr 15, 2015 00:05
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Did Magneto turn New York into a concentration camp before or after this?
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e X posted:Did Magneto turn New York into a concentration camp before or after this? After. Because he forgot about 9/11 you see.
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Apr 15, 2015 00:18
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After! But it wasn't really him it was Xorn pretending to be Magneto pretending to be Xorn.
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reignonyourparade posted:They presumably didn't know about Thor being on Earth, so Hydra's rule PROBABLY wouldn't have "stuck" after Thor smashed up their Superweapons. Hahahaha, what a plot hole, thanks for reminding me. Captain America 2: Thor 3: The Complete Destruction Of 3 Helicarriers By Thor Alone.
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Apoplexy posted:Hahahaha, what a plot hole, thanks for reminding me. Captain America 2: Thor 3: The Complete Destruction Of 3 Helicarriers By Thor Alone. They may have had Bruce Banner's name on their list, but that was a pretty iffy success too. Also you're only like 50/50 on Tony not being in an Iron Man suit when you go genocide. It wasn't nearly the foolproof plan they thought, even leaving aside the whole Nick Fury and Captain America taking them down glitch.
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Apr 15, 2015 00:28
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They definitely had banner on the list, Sitwell says so. Clearly didn't know much about banners condition. Youre not supposed to think of the other avengers in the solo films though remember, we're supposed to pretend they don't exist.
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It's still a good thing that Cap and co stopped them first though because they would've killed a hell of a lot of people regardless, so I wouldn't exactly call it a PLOT hole. The Stakes are just somewhat lower than everyone thinks they are, but still pretty high.
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Nah, it's not that, it's that the timetable of Cap2 was so thin that they didn't have time to call in any assets like Iron Man or The Hulk to deal with Hydra launching Insight.
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reignonyourparade posted:It's still a good thing that Cap and co stopped them first though because they would've killed a hell of a lot of people regardless, so I wouldn't exactly call it a PLOT hole. The Stakes are just somewhat lower than everyone thinks they are, but still pretty high. No, I don't either. I just meant that, if Insight went online, Thor could've blown through all 3 Helicarriers alone without a dent. Granted, he would've been a few million lives down at that point, so it's not arguing about how good the outcome was.
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But the thing is that Hydra was still pretending to be SHIELD at that point. If Hydra's plan in Winter Soldier had gone off without a hitch, no one would even know they still exist. SHIELD would've been the one implicated (and kind of ends up being that anyway), the remnants of SHIELD would've been the one on the receiving end of HulkThor vengeance. Which is just the way that Hydra wanted it; billions of the right kinds of people dead -- the exact sorts of people who would've dug deeper and exposed their plots -- and meanwhile the rest of the world is pissed at the dying shell of the only organization that would've been a threat to them. What Cap does in Winter Soldier is actually kind of similar to what Daredevil does in this show: he exposes the people hiding in the shadows, making sure the right villains are accountable for the right crimes.
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Sorvah posted:Youre not supposed to think of the other avengers in the solo films though remember, we're supposed to pretend they don't exist. That is definitely the most glaring flaw of the whole "shared universe" idea. If a hero is overwhelmed there are literally hundreds of heroes who could help him, but instead they have to face the bad guy and his army of henchmen and succeed against incredible odds alone just because.
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ChickenMedium posted:That is definitely the most glaring flaw of the whole "shared universe" idea. If a hero is overwhelmed there are literally hundreds of heroes who could help him, but instead they have to face the bad guy and his army of henchmen and succeed against incredible odds alone just because. Yeah, but their friends are all being overwhelmed by their own bad guys and henchman armies at the same time 
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Polaron posted:Yeah, but their friends are all being overwhelmed by their own bad guys and henchman armies at the same time I guess that's a way to go with it. I'd like to see a newscast in the background of some future Marvel production that is just story after story of horrific supervillain atrocities and dastardly plots being foiled by intrepid superheroes.
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Does this count as a spoiler? Jessica and Luke Cage on set. If her series is supposed to air before his, does it mean he's already powered up a this point, or maybe she knew him before, or...either way I'm pretty hyped for this.
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Polaron posted:Yeah, but their friends are all being overwhelmed by their own bad guys and henchman armies at the same time Yeah, isn't there at least a 1:25 hero to villain ratio?
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This thread moves pretty quick so maybe someone mentioned this, but did anybody notice the quick hint-drop during the college flashbacks to "that Greek girl" or somesuch thing pointing pretty clearly at Elektra?
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Everyone did, don't worry. It's going to be a likely season 2 plot.
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BrianWilly posted:Does this count as a spoiler? Jessica and Luke Cage on set. Maybe he's just wearing a helmet because it's still the law and if he didn't wear one he'd inevitably be pulled over by some cop who doesn't know him for not wearing one. Better to just put it on and ride in peace frankly. Also, I was watching Brooklyn 99 last night and I'm kind of sad that Terry Crews didn't get cast as Luke. I've never seen Mike Colter in anything to pass judgement on the guy, but he just doesn't have quite the same physical presence as Terry and that seems to be handy in a guy with superhuman strength and durability.
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strangemusic posted:This thread moves pretty quick so maybe someone mentioned this, but did anybody notice the quick hint-drop during the college flashbacks to "that Greek girl" or somesuch thing pointing pretty clearly at Elektra? Yes. It's directly from the comics. Specifically, from the Man Without Fear run. http://marvel.wikia.com/Daredevil:_The_Man_Without_Fear_Vol_1_2
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tsob posted:Maybe he's just wearing a helmet because it's still the law and if he didn't wear one he'd inevitably be pulled over by some cop who doesn't know him for not wearing one. Better to just put it on and ride in peace frankly. Also, I was watching Brooklyn 99 last night and I'm kind of sad that Terry Crews didn't get cast as Luke. I've never seen Mike Colter in anything to pass judgement on the guy, but he just doesn't have quite the same physical presence as Terry and that seems to be handy in a guy with superhuman strength and durability. Dude, Mike's a big loving dude. I'm sure he's been suckin' down creatine like a hooker on holiday pay so he's even bigger than normal. He's also pretty darn present in shows like Good Wife, his character's almost a Wilson Fiskish type dude. I'm really looking forward to seeing Netflix's take on superpowers and poo poo. I think they cast a good dude to be Cage. I wonder if they tried to save some money during Daredevil's stuff to help with the obviously more expensive CGI required for super-stuff. What were some of the more notable Luke Cage villains and plots?
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Drifter posted:Dude, Mike's a big loving dude. I'm sure he's been suckin' down creatine like a hooker on holiday pay so he's even bigger than normal. Unfortunately Sony owns the right to Dr. Doom.
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They've already said that when we meet Luke Cage he will already have his powers. Also for the talk of where the other Avengers are during Captain America, I can't speak for Thor or Hulk or Iron Man but Hawkeye's absence is apparently explained in Age of Ultron. If the reports are true it's a pretty good reason too.
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Tony: "Hey why didn't you call me during the Hydra takeover" Steve: "...Because we're not actually friends?" There.
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BrianWilly posted:Tony: "Hey why didn't you call me during the Hydra takeover" Yeah, people tend to conflate their own, comic inspired versions of the characters with their movie counterparts. At the end of the Avengers, these people were colleagues at best.
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BrianWilly posted:Tony: "Hey why didn't you call me during the Hydra takeover" You realize that makes Steve look like a total tool right? And also doesn't explain why he'd even be in the Avengers if he needed to be friends with all of them to agree to save the world beside them. Not that he didn't appear to be becoming friends with Tony by the end of Avengers regardless.
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Deadpool posted:Also for the talk of where the other Avengers are during Captain America, I can't speak for Thor or Hulk or Iron Man but Hawkeye's absence is apparently explained in Age of Ultron. If the reports are true it's a pretty good reason too. The hot topic on everyone's mind, "Where's Hawkeye?", finally explained BrianWilly posted:Tony: "Hey why didn't you call me during the Hydra takeover" I'm sorry your family died Little Timmy, but I just can't stand that Iron Man jerk 
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Valeyard posted:The hot topic on everyone's mind, "Where's Hawkeye?", finally explained Well since he's the only one missing that actually was part of SHIELD yes it was something that people were wondering.
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e X posted:Yeah, people tend to conflate their own, comic inspired versions of the characters with their movie counterparts. At the end of the Avengers, these people were colleagues at best. No, I think the end of the Central Park scene showed that Tony and Bruce were dating, right?
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Deadpool posted:Well since he's the only one missing that actually was part of SHIELD yes it was something that people were wondering. You're right, I just can't stand Jeremy Renner
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The real answer is who cares.
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dj_clawson posted:No, I think the end of the Central Park scene showed that Tony and Bruce were dating, right? I'd say they're a bit past that. 
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This is how I felt watching this show. I enjoyed it as much as this guy enjoys his continental breakfast. It was so good!
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Deadpool posted:Well since he's the only one missing that actually was part of SHIELD yes it was something that people were wondering. I think people may have been wondering that only in the same way you wonder if the fish you had last night is responsible for the diarrhea that's dribbling out right now.
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Valeyard posted:You're right, I just can't stand Jeremy Renner And yet he is inexplicably popular in fanfic.
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Apoplexy posted:No, I don't either. I just meant that, if Insight went online, Thor could've blown through all 3 Helicarriers alone without a dent. Granted, he would've been a few million lives down at that point, so it's not arguing about how good the outcome was. It's a good thing Thor 2 took place in London. Man would Hydra have felt dumb killing Jane Foster with their helicarriers just as she and Thor are trying to stop the Dark Elves from unmaking all of creation. Deadpool posted:Well since he's the only one missing that actually was part of SHIELD yes it was something that people were wondering. I like Hawkeye and not only have no problem with him in the movies but enjoy him being there. But, being completely honest, it never even crossed my mind that Hawkeye should totally be having some sort of roll in the Winter Soldier arc. I even took the time to wonder if Strange had his powers already and if so how hilariously trying to shoot hims was going to blow up in Hydra's face. I also wondered whether Luke Cage was on their radar and whether shooting him would have an effect. Briefly I wondered if due to the distance Daredevil would be able to recognize and dodge the bullets. Not even a single thought about Hawkeye though.
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tsob posted:You realize that makes Steve look like a total tool right? And also doesn't explain why he'd even be in the Avengers if he needed to be friends with all of them to agree to save the world beside them. Not that he didn't appear to be becoming friends with Tony by the end of Avengers regardless. So, like...yeah, Steve probably didn't call Tony because they weren't friends. Not great friends who trust each other with this stuff, anyway.
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