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Aqualung
Oct 10, 2005

Don't worry guys, Ron knows the guy who drives the crane.

I got some notices for porn too. It seems they're spamming a whole range of IPs or something. I've haven't downloaded downloaded porn through torrents for at least 8-10 years now...

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bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

Jaxxon: Still not the stupidest thing from the expanded universe.



Man, I haven't gotten poo poo. Not saying I download a ton of porn, or other :files: but I am a teksavvy subscriber.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

The rate their going, they'll have the entire Canadian ISP range of addresses covered within a couple months so don't feel left out yet!

That business model is great though, spam the gently caress out of enough people, might even get the odd guilty one, and just get the smallest reply rate and reel 'em in. It's like a god drat legal nigerian scam.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

And, I woke up this AM to 4 more notices. All from the same alleged date as the earlier one though. Guess some of their bots just aren't fast enough, or Teksavvy is just getting flooded.

Good grief.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

slidebite posted:

And, I woke up this AM to 4 more notices. All from the same alleged date as the earlier one though. Guess some of their bots just aren't fast enough, or Teksavvy is just getting flooded.

Good grief.

Is this something you could get them fined for under CASL? I guess it's technically Teksavvy forwarding them to you, so probably not, but it arguably borders on harassment.

Antioch
Apr 18, 2003
I got one of those CEG-TEK copyright letters a week ago. Deleted it, but got curious about how much they were asking for, so I clicked the link. I was on my tablet, on the IP the notice had been sent to. I don't imagine they are able to get much data from clicking the link, but I'm probably going to just clear cookies on the tablet anyway.

There's not much else to be done. Obviously I'm not 'paying the settlement' that reeks of extortion. In my mind, the likelihood of this going to court is basically nil. Still, I shouldn't have clicked that link. Kept me up last night worrying about it.

Siochain
May 24, 2005

"can they get rid of any humans who are fans of shitheads like Kanye West, 50 Cent, or any other piece of crap "artist" who thinks they're all that?

And also get rid of anyone who has posted retarded shit on the internet."


slidebite posted:

And, I woke up this AM to 4 more notices. All from the same alleged date as the earlier one though. Guess some of their bots just aren't fast enough, or Teksavvy is just getting flooded.

Good grief.

Keep ahold of them all, find anyone else you know who has issues, and bring it to your MP. An American Company trying to extort Canadians might make some guys day as a political "coupe". I actually hope I get one of these, given that I don't torrent anything past legal ISO's, so I can try and light a fire under my MP's rear end. Thankfully I'm NDP up here, so they'll go to town to piss off the PC's :)

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

infernal machines posted:

Is this something you could get them fined for under CASL? I guess it's technically Teksavvy forwarding them to you, so probably not, but it arguably borders on harassment.
I do not hold any ill-will towards Teksavvy whatsoever. I am 99.9% sure the "claimant" is just saying that some IP address download files, you need to forward them this notice since it is one of your companies IPs, rinse, repeat.

The problem I have is that who knows how CEG-TEK is coming up with these IPs. I'd like to think there is some logic to it, but the number of notices which seems to be going out to people that have no idea what the hell it's about certainly seems to show there are some holes in the process.

Either way, for their apparent business model, it would make no real difference. If you can get real people that torrent all the better, but if you ensnare some innocent dupe that is shocked enough to just pay something to make it go away, I don't think they'll be fussy about it.

Siochain posted:

Keep ahold of them all, find anyone else you know who has issues, and bring it to your MP. An American Company trying to extort Canadians might make some guys day as a political "coupe". I actually hope I get one of these, given that I don't torrent anything past legal ISO's, so I can try and light a fire under my MP's rear end. Thankfully I'm NDP up here, so they'll go to town to piss off the PC's :)
My MP is CPC, and not exactly one who is known as a go-getter. His nickname for some time was "the man who wasn't there" and his riding is getting changed so he won't even be my MP come October so he's pretty lame duck as it is. The new CPC candidate who will become the next MP (it's not even a contest, Southern Alberta) might actually be a better person to talk to. She's a relatively young woman and seems to have the right attitude, but once again, she won't be my MP until October.

I guess it wouldn't hurt to contact him about it and to voice my displeasure at the whole law, but since there is also pretty much a nil chance the trolls will move forward since they actually have to get a court order to get names I'm not sure if it's worth the effort.

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
These notices remind me a lot of the RCMP virus that went around(probably still is). When infected a computer wouldn't the desktop and instead just show a message saying your computer was locked because of illegal activity and to play a fine to the RCMP/CSIS/Interpol/FBI via ukash wire. No way to tell for sure how much they made, but I know a number of people who paid up at the time just from working tech support at an ISP.

Siochain
May 24, 2005

"can they get rid of any humans who are fans of shitheads like Kanye West, 50 Cent, or any other piece of crap "artist" who thinks they're all that?

And also get rid of anyone who has posted retarded shit on the internet."


slidebite posted:

My MP is CPC, and not exactly one who is known as a go-getter. His nickname for some time was "the man who wasn't there" and his riding is getting changed so he won't even be my MP come October so he's pretty lame duck as it is. The new CPC candidate who will become the next MP (it's not even a contest, Southern Alberta) might actually be a better person to talk to. She's a relatively young woman and seems to have the right attitude, but once again, she won't be my MP until October.

I guess it wouldn't hurt to contact him about it and to voice my displeasure at the whole law, but since there is also pretty much a nil chance the trolls will move forward since they actually have to get a court order to get names I'm not sure if it's worth the effort.

Honestly, I'd even reach out to the up-and-coming MP and voice your opinion. Even non-sitting members can help push change/info, and speaking with a younger person might get someone who knows what the hell you are talking about. That, and currying some favor with someone who isn't "the person" yet is always a good thing. I mostly just want to see this company get its dick slammed in the door, fined out the rear end, and get rid of this crooked business practice.

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

DariusLikewise posted:

These notices remind me a lot of the RCMP virus that went around(probably still is). When infected a computer wouldn't the desktop and instead just show a message saying your computer was locked because of illegal activity and to play a fine to the RCMP/CSIS/Interpol/FBI via ukash wire. No way to tell for sure how much they made, but I know a number of people who paid up at the time just from working tech support at an ISP.

It might not even be CEG-TEK, someone might have written something to spam various Canadian ISPs with these things, knowing that the ISPs are required now to forward the email.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

slidebite posted:

I do not hold any ill-will towards Teksavvy whatsoever. I am 99.9% sure the "claimant" is just saying that some IP address download files, you need to forward them this notice since it is one of your companies IPs, rinse, repeat.

I wasn't suggesting you file against Teksavvy, I was suggesting you file against CEG-TEK or whoever is handling the notification process on their end. Because as you say, the process appears both random and repetitive and you are being spammed by spurious notices.

My reference to Teksavvy was simply that you may not be able to file a complaint against CEG-TEK under CASL since technically it's Teksavvy that's forwarding you the messages, CEG-TEK is not contacting you directly.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

I would rather not give CEG-TEK any possible avenue whatsoever to get my name and personal information which is another reason I'm a little hesitant even talking to MPs or anyone about it.

It does annoy me but assuming they eventually stop with notices (granted, an "if" at this stage) it should just go away as they really have no way to even know who the hell I am short of a court order.

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?
I figure this is a good place to ask, as people in here are pretty well informed and I trust opinions, so, in about 3 months I'm switching internet providers away from Telus because I need a bit more speed to watch Netflix and Skype at the same time. Assuming maximum use case would be HD Netflix, skype, and playing an online game all at the same time, who's the best provider in Edmonton, and what kind of package should I be looking for? I've looked at Teksavy, but some of the options on their site are perplexing and I legit don't know if any of them would be important. I'm also interested in solid service at a good price rather than e-dick waving. Any input would be appreciated.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

25/5 should be ample.

Teksavvy DSL uses Telus infrastructure which is pretty drat solid.

Personally, I go unlimited because there are times I watch a fair amount of Netflix and download a bunch of stuff via Steam or PSN so I'd rather not worry about going over even if it'll rarely, if ever, happen.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

Jaxxon: Still not the stupidest thing from the expanded universe.



CBC finally noticed the copyright trolls

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

And they have a screenshot of a 90mb Harry Potter MOV file. How did they even find something so old?

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011



No idea. I don't even have any idea what software that is, so I'm inclined to say "artist's depiction" and the artist behind it has no idea how big movies actually are (or what MP4 and MKV containers are).

Sprawl
Nov 21, 2005


I'm a huge retarded sperglord who can't spell, but Starfleet Dental would still take me and I love them for it!

Skandranon posted:

And they have a screenshot of a 90mb Harry Potter MOV file. How did they even find something so old?

I bet that a trailer from apple for the movie not a pirated copy.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Noticing my evening 25/5 DSL is really taking a dump the last few nights in particular.

Anyone else out west in Teksavvy land having issues? According to Teksavvy's status page:

quote:

DSL customers in BC and AB may experience slow speeds or network congestion issues during peak hours. We are aware of the issue, and working toward a resolution. ETA early-mid June (delayed from April).

It's pretty crappy.

9:45PM in Alberta

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Sprawl
Nov 21, 2005


I'm a huge retarded sperglord who can't spell, but Starfleet Dental would still take me and I love them for it!

slidebite posted:

Noticing my evening 25/5 DSL is really taking a dump the last few nights in particular.

Anyone else out west in Teksavvy land having issues? According to Teksavvy's status page:


It's pretty crappy.

9:45PM in Alberta



Seems fine in the lower mainland.

StealthArcher
Jan 10, 2010




Sprawl posted:

Seems fine in the lower mainland.



That's 2am, you're waaaaaay out of anything approaching 'peaktime'. Try doing it again around 6-9pm your time and see then.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Teksavvy got back to me

Teksavvy posted:

Yes, you appear to be part of the congestion issue that is reported. Unfortunately a Ticket cannot be opened for this issue as there is already a pending fix. This is a known issue that we are working to resolve.

It is expected to be resolved (approx. June 10th, 2015).

Good thing I don't do my streaming on evenings or weekends :buddy:

Actually, I can still watch 480 on netflix pretty well, but I suspect it'll choke at 720 let alone 1080.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
And it'll be fixed in only two months!

Now that's service.

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

infernal machines posted:

And it'll be fixed in only two months!

Now that's service.

To be fair, the smaller ISPs are completely at the mercy of the main providers. Rogers/Bell/Tekus constantly pull poo poo like this to gently caress over people who don't pay them directly.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Skandranon posted:

To be fair, the smaller ISPs are completely at the mercy of the main providers. Rogers/Bell/Tekus constantly pull poo poo like this to gently caress over people who don't pay them directly.

Yes, this gets trotted out every time, and it's completely true. And also completely unhelpful if you need to use your internet service in the interim.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

So don't reward the shitheads.

Go use Starbucks wifi if you're so hard-up for internet access.

thexerox123
Aug 17, 2007

teethgrinder posted:

So don't reward the shitheads.

Go use Starbucks wifi if you're so hard-up for internet access.

It doesn't really help the situation to make suggestions that are even less helpful and more dismissive of the problem than Rogers/Bell/Telus' customer service.

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?

infernal machines posted:

And it'll be fixed in only two months!

Now that's service.

I assume the process is the same for DSL, but on cable when a node needs to be split there was always a lot of red tape and permits needed from the city planning board or whatever before we could even start constructing another node to split. Also the technology behind cable can't tell you how overloaded a node is past 100% so half the time you would split a node and both of them would come up at 100% within 2 weeks.

Zigmidge
May 12, 2002

Exsqueeze me, why the sour face? I'm here to lemon aid you. Let's juice it.

thexerox123 posted:

It doesn't really help the situation to make suggestions that are even less helpful and more dismissive of the problem than Rogers/Bell/Telus' customer service.

You're right. Let's just skip the issue altogether and buy robetel service.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
I'm not arguing any particular course of action, I'm just pointing this out as an issue I've run into before, specifically with Teksavvy, that had a similar resolution timeline.

Regardless of who's "fault" it is, if I'm paying Teksavvy I generally expect Teksavvy to be able to provide the service I'm paying for or adjust our arrangement accordingly. Despite the prevailing attitude around here it's not my responsibility to make Teksavvy's business model work.

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

infernal machines posted:

I'm not arguing any particular course of action, I'm just pointing this out as an issue I've run into before, specifically with Teksavvy, that had a similar resolution timeline.

Regardless of who's "fault" it is, if I'm paying Teksavvy I generally expect Teksavvy to be able to provide the service I'm paying for or adjust our arrangement accordingly. Despite the prevailing attitude around here it's not my responsibility to make Teksavvy's business model work.

I guess we expect you to be a little more outraged at the shenanigans by robotel. That's what this thread is for, yeah?

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

thexerox123 posted:

It doesn't really help the situation to make suggestions that are even less helpful and more dismissive of the problem than Rogers/Bell/Telus' customer service.

It's literally what I did? Bell took three weeks to properly hook up my TekSavvy connection. I just took my laptop to Starbucks across the street in the interim when I really needed to do poo poo online.

Why the hell would I want to reward Bell with a contract for their misbehaviour? gently caress them.

(The first Bell tech ripped the ethernet out of the wall-socket and walked out without saying anything.)

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
I'm outraged plenty, I'm just sick of them being used to excuse literally every complaint anyone has about the smaller providers, especially Teksavvy.

As long as this is a Bell infrastructure issue, yeah this is 100% bullshit and that resolution timeline is beyond pale. It's just really unfortunate that the solution is still "well, just wait two months".

On the other hand Teksavvy has repeatedly oversold their service to the extent that their core infrastructure or edge links can't handle the volume. This also causes major performance issues and has been hand waved as somehow being the fault of the incumbents, until it comes to light that only Teksavvy customers are being affected.

infernal machines fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Apr 15, 2015

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

infernal machines posted:

I'm outraged plenty, I'm just sick of them being used to excuse literally every complaint anyone has about the smaller providers, especially Teksavvy.

As long as this is a Bell infrastructure issue, yeah this is 100% bullshit and that resolution timeline is beyond pale. It's just really unfortunate that the solution is still "well, just wait two months".

On the other hand Teksavvy has repeatedly oversold their service to the extent that their core infrastructure or edge links can't handle the volume. This also causes major performance issues and has been hand waved as somehow being the fault of the incumbents, until it comes to light that only Teksavvy customers are being affected.

Assuming what you said is true, you have my sympathies. We all are in a terrible place in regards to internet in this country (hence the thread). I don't know what the correct solution is, just that the worst thing to do is going back to robotel.

Zigmidge
May 12, 2002

Exsqueeze me, why the sour face? I'm here to lemon aid you. Let's juice it.
Not trying to further any argument here but don't they all oversell their service?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Zigmidge posted:

Not trying to further any argument here but don't they all oversell their service?

To varying extents, yes. From discussions I've had with another vendor I use it seems Teksavvy has taken to doing it more than others recently and that's been reflected in the service issues they've experienced over the last couple years.

In this specific case you'll notice it's a speed issue that only occurs during peak time on dsl. No where is the congestion there? It's either Teksavvy's link to the incumbent's last mile infrastructure or Teksavvy's internal network. Both of which are exclusively Teksavvy's responsibility.

infernal machines fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Apr 15, 2015

John Capslocke
Jun 5, 2007

infernal machines posted:

To varying extents, yes. From discussions I've had with another vendor I use it seems Teksavvy has taken to doing it more than others recently and that's been reflected in the service issues they've experienced over the last couple years.

In this specific case you'll notice it's a speed issue that only occurs during peak time on dsl. No where is the congestion there? It's either Teksavvy's link to the incumbent's last mile infrastructure or Teksavvy's internal network. Both of which are exclusively Teksavvy's responsibility.

Not sure what it's like out West, but last time there was congestion in Ontario, Teksavvy had a multiple Gbps links, collecting dust waiting weeks ( the longest time incumbents have to respond, per-CRTC rulings) for the respective incumbent to light them up.

Is Teksavvy's dismissive "blame the incumbent" attitude towards every aspect of support annoying as gently caress? Yup, but sometimes they have no legal recourse to make the incumbents stop dragging their feet.

(Ironic I am defending Teksavvy while I currently have a half-bricked DSL modem due to Bell pushing a bum firmware update and both parties are effectively telling me, get hosed :haw:)

John Capslocke fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Apr 15, 2015

Mantle
May 15, 2004

Is there a technical reason why Teksavvy cannot offer me 50/10 on DSL where Telus can at the same address? Or is it a business/strategic/marketing reason?

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Volguus
Mar 3, 2009

Mantle posted:

Is there a technical reason why Teksavvy cannot offer me 50/10 on DSL where Telus can at the same address? Or is it a business/strategic/marketing reason?

Odds are Telus won't let them. Same like Start.ca who cannot offer 250/20 because Rogers won't let them (the reason is that they need a special kind of modem and poo poo, but in reality ... why not keep them out if you can?).

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