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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:i am intrigued by the new power management stuff in the new kde beta how the gently caress is KDE looking more appealing than upgrading my lenovo to win 10?
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http://tools.suckless.org/ii/ Irc it (ii) ii is a minimalist FIFO and filesystem-based IRC client. It creates an irc directory tree with server, channel and nick name directories. In every directory a FIFO in file and a normal out file is created. The in file is used to communicate with the servers and the out files contain the server messages. For every channel and every nick name there are related in and out files created. This allows IRC communication from command line and adheres to the Unix philosophy. example Join a channel as follows: $ echo "/j #wmii" > in and ii creates a new #wmii (channel) directory with in and out files.
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The_Franz posted:looks like the pull request for kdbus was sent in a couple of days ago On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:20:34AM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > > We're all forced to use cgroups, systemd, udev unless we want to have busybox > > as userland. That's a fact. > > Is that a problem? I'm amazed that you're really actually asking that question :-( -- Regards/Gruss, Boris.
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write your own userland then nosh is the only systemd-like alternative userland that anybody has actually bothered to sit down and code, but i guess programming is hard and bitching at other people to do your programming with your preferred colour of bikeshed is easy.
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quote:The nosh package is a suite of system-level utilities for initializing and running a BSD or Linux system, and for managing daemons. wait a fuckin minute here quote:Hurd users lol
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pram posted:lol
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Gazpacho posted:http://tools.suckless.org/ii/ Do they add to that site every april fools? Edit: Proud to be allistic. SYSV Fanfic fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Apr 16, 2015 |
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im the arch decisions based on a platform where you really need to think about if its appropriate to use the plural or singular version of user
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re: endless, loving good job and im glad to see this poo poo start to spin up. coworkers wondering if you can put windows on it, eugh how open is it for people to work on? is it the kind of thing the local uni students can start putting together improvements for and kick upstream or is it going to be a more locked down structure
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I don't understand resource misers. You paid for 2gb of ram and two cores, why not use it. Do these people buy 6,000 sq. ft. homes and live in a closet too?
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ahmeni posted:re: endless, loving good job and im glad to see this poo poo start to spin up. coworkers wondering if you can put windows on it, eugh Currently we don't have the resources or capacity to review stuff that people send to our GitHub, and most of the apps are closed-source right now.
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SYSV Fanfic posted:I don't understand resource misers. You paid for 2gb of ram and two cores, why not use it. Do these people buy 6,000 sq. ft. homes and live in a closet too? because modern computers are barely faster than computers from the turn of the century despite being 50x more "powerful" and that's kind of wack imo most of the speedup can be attributed to SSDs as well, put a rotating disk into modern hardware and the speedup is more or less completely erased.
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And their capabilities got better in turn. You couldn't drive 2x 1920x1200 monitors in full color with transparency, hardware acceleration, and desktop effects (previews in alt-tab). Nor could you run as many applications at the same time. As computers get better, people expect them to do more and more and keep up with the workload. So they don't "seem" faster but they totes are, and you're just naturally doing more before they start to slow down again.
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Mr Dog posted:because modern computers are barely faster than computers from the turn of the century despite being 50x more "powerful" and that's kind of wack imo   
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ahmeni posted:re: endless, loving good job and im glad to see this poo poo start to spin up. coworkers wondering if you can put windows on it, eugh like theres a shortage of cheap poo poo running windows out there
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Suspicious Dish posted:And their capabilities got better in turn. You couldn't drive 2x 1920x1200 monitors in full color with transparency, hardware acceleration, and desktop effects (previews in alt-tab). Nor could you run as many applications at the same time. i have a unix workstation from circa 2001 that has no problem with this
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i have a unix workstation from circa 2001 that has no problem with this how much did it cost in today's dollars?
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Subjunctive posted:how much did it cost in today's dollars? a decent 6.5 figgies
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capabilities haven't changed that much but prices have changed a lot this is true for a lot of communications technology. the telegraph was as revolutionary as the internet, in its day. but sending messages over the internet is like 1/1,000,000th as expensive as telegraph messages were
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Mr Dog posted:because modern computers are barely faster than computers from the turn of the century despite being 50x more "powerful" and that's kind of wack imo I'm not capably of mocking this the way it deserves to be mocked. Personally I'm a fan of having my software do as much as it can for me. I can always buy a faster computer, but I will never be able to buy more time. Wasting my time by re-solving an adequately solved problem when I don't have an academic interest is stupid. Notorious b.s.d. posted:capabilities haven't changed that much but prices have changed a lot How large is this workstation and how fast does your electric meter spin when its in use?
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:capabilities haven't changed that much but prices have changed a lot you can hold either capability or price constant, if the capabilities really haven't changed. I think they have -- driving 4K video at 60Hz wasn't feasible even on the Origins. Wireless networking, the speed of storage (I'd have loving killed a man for today's $200 SSD+SATA2 setup when I was squeezing perf out of 10K fiberchannel arrays), resolution of displays. You can carry a system that's more powerful than a SPARCStation 20 out of the Apple Store between 2 fingers, and it has a better display than the 20 could drive and a responsive touch interface. quote:this is true for a lot of communications technology. the telegraph was as revolutionary as the internet, in its day. but sending messages over the internet is like 1/1,000,000th as expensive as telegraph messages were "sending instantly across the world" is a pretty important capability.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-32329525 """ But Carolina Milanese, chief analyst at Kantor Worldpanel ComTech says Endless faces an uphill challenge, especially given its $169 starting price. "I struggle to understand why Endless is picking users who are not at the bottom of the economic bellcurve", she told the BBC. """ maybe because the middle of the bellcurve, is, by definition, the widest part? the market where most people are? lmao if an analyst cant figure that one out
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The_Franz posted:looks like the pull request for kdbus was sent in a couple of days ago "omg this is complicated and scary make something simpler!" hey, you had your chance to just use Mach. you insisted on reinventing it.
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Mr Dog posted:because modern computers are barely faster than computers from the turn of the century despite being 50x more "powerful" and that's kind of wack imo the real problem is all the inefficient code that's everywhere these days. people are just too lazy to optimise properly and will insist on using hilariously inefficient languages for everything. the end result is that the average program could run much, much faster if it was designed properly and written carefully in a low-level language, but actually runs like molasses because the idiots chose to half-rear end it in c++, in this popular opinion from the 1990s
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except for the part where your computer is doing things your 80s/90s computer just literally could not do.
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Subjunctive posted:you can hold either capability or price constant, if the capabilities really haven't changed. I think they have -- driving 4K video at 60Hz wasn't feasible even on the Origins. you could purchase a configuration for exactly this. it was called the onyx. an origin stuffed full of graphics boards back then the only uses for 4k video were arena-size projectors and dumb vr room poo poo. cost-prohibitive Subjunctive posted:Wireless networking, the speed of storage (I'd have loving killed a man for today's $200 SSD+SATA2 setup when I was squeezing perf out of 10K fiberchannel arrays), resolution of displays. You can carry a system that's more powerful than a SPARCStation 20 out of the Apple Store between 2 fingers, and it has a better display than the 20 could drive and a responsive touch interface. yeah SSDs have changed the game considerably i do not miss working with paired RAID0 SCSI arrays to try and get reasonable random write perf Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Apr 16, 2015 |
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remember when alpha transparency and smooth rotations in games was the hottest poo poo
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SYSV Fanfic posted:How large is this workstation and how fast does your electric meter spin when its in use? about the size of a desktop pc i want to say it's 750 watts
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:remember when alpha transparency and smooth rotations in games was the hottest poo poo curved geometry was the poo poo
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Suspicious Dish posted:except for the part where your computer is doing things your 80s/90s computer just literally could not do. a 15 year old computer does everything my current one does, it just cost a lot more to get it done
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running firefox instead of netscape and sublime text instead of emacs isn't "progress" it's barely even change
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did your computer run two 1920x1200 monitors in true 24-bit color?
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Dual head 2048x1536 baby.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:you could purchase a configuration for exactly this. it was called the onyx. an origin stuffed full of graphics boards InfiniteReality was indeed insane (like 200GB of video RAM?), but I didn't think it had a display connection with a high enough data rate to drive 4K@60, even if it could render a scene that fast. (Parallel video decode is rare, so likely only one of those cards mattered perf-wise, in the unlikely event that it could accelerate H.264 or equivalent anyway.) I can't find a reference though. does your 2001 workstation drive 4K@60?
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Suspicious Dish posted:except for the part where your computer is doing things your 80s/90s computer just literally could not do. i know nobody burns cd/dvds anymore, but burning in the mid-late '90s was a pain in the rear end, even with a scsi burner you couldn't do anything else while it was burning.
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more importantly: is that numberwang?
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Dolomite posted:i know nobody burns cd/dvds anymore, but burning in the mid-late '90s was a pain in the rear end, even with a scsi burner you couldn't do anything else while it was burning. i forget who but a desktop manufacturer had a (then) amazing demo about how you could play two videos simultaneously on a machine that didn't cost $5,000
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Dolomite posted:i know nobody burns cd/dvds anymore, but burning in the mid-late '90s was a pain in the rear end, even with a scsi burner you couldn't do anything else while it was burning. don't forget to disable the screensaver, hang-up the modem and unplug the network cable (which you probably didn't have in 1995). tiptoe out of the room just to be safe. *comes back 10 minutes later* ok, let's see how it doing... gently caress
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The_Franz posted:don't forget to disable the screensaver, hang-up the modem and unplug the network cable (which you probably didn't have in 1995). tiptoe out of the room just to be safe. that poo poo didn't get any better until early-mid 00's and I don't remember why
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