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So does Archer know most everything about the Grail War since he ostensibly took part in it in the past? Or is he from like, an alternate timeline where Shirou wasnt in the War? Im wondering if he figured out Berserker's/Caster's identity or if he just knew since hes done this before.
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KoB posted:So does Archer know most everything about the Grail War since he ostensibly took part in it in the past? Or is he from like, an alternate timeline where Shirou wasnt in the War? EMIYA is from a timeline where Shriou participated in the 5th HGW, but I don't think his particular iteration of it was an option in the VN. (Maybe Mind of Steel?)
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Apr 13, 2015 19:51
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Beef Waifu posted:It's not another Nasu written sex scene, so it's infinitely better. Mederlock posted:Yeah. Anything to remove the retarded sex scenes is a good move imo. The stuff they did to replace the one in the Fate route was definitely an improvement My beef is just with replacing it in the first place. Just cut to black before clothes come off like the all-ages patch for Tsukihime does, way the gently caress less clunky than mana dragons and worm vampires and whatever the hell. It's not like people are going to have a heart attack at the suggestion that two characters boned at one point. WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Apr 13, 2015 |
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Apr 13, 2015 20:08
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AlternateNu posted:EMIYA is from a timeline where Shriou participated in the 5th HGW, but I don't think his particular iteration of it was an option in the VN. (Maybe Mind of Steel?) It's distinct from any of the timelines depicted in F/SN, since iirc Rin didn't even summon him as a hero in that timeline.
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Apr 13, 2015 20:13
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LORD OF BUTT posted:My beef is just with replacing it in the first place. Just cut to black before clothes come off like the all-ages patch for Tsukihime does, way the gently caress less clunky than mana dragons and worm vampires and whatever the hell. It's not like people are going to have a heart attack at the suggestion that two characters boned at one point. I tend to agree. Hopefully that's what they'll do in the Tsukihime remake. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Apr 13, 2015 |
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Apr 13, 2015 20:37
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taser rates posted:It's distinct from any of the timelines depicted in F/SN, since iirc Rin didn't even summon him as a hero in that timeline. I think the only things we know for sure about the alternate universe 5th HGW was that Shirou summoned Saber, Shirou came into possession of Rin's pendant at some point, never decided to destroy the Grail, and eventually won the War and used it to become the hero he always wanted to be.
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Apr 13, 2015 21:07
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LORD OF BUTT posted:My beef is just with replacing it in the first place. Just cut to black before clothes come off like the all-ages patch for Tsukihime does, way the gently caress less clunky than mana dragons and worm vampires and whatever the hell. It's not like people are going to have a heart attack at the suggestion that two characters boned at one point. Oh no, I just don't want to read a Nasu sex scene because it is like the most insane thing to read and makes me feel really uncomfortable except with Shiro and Rin where they have the most awkward sex imagineable and it's actually kind of funny.
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Apr 13, 2015 22:18
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Not disagreeing, mind, I just don't think the weird roundabout way they handle it is very good compared to the extremely obvious and presumably much easier alternative.
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Apr 14, 2015 07:46
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Sylphid posted:I think the only things we know for sure about the alternate universe 5th HGW was that Shirou summoned Saber, Shirou came into possession of Rin's pendant at some point, never decided to destroy the Grail, and eventually won the War and used it to become the hero he always wanted to be. Nah. He did Contract with the World eventually to get the power to use his Marble, but there wasn't any wish on the Grail. (This is a good thing, because I'm pretty sure no one wants to see how it'd interpret "save everyone.") Some of the Fate/Extra stuff (which may not necessarily apply to normal-universe Archer) suggest that due to Shirou not having Tracing (due to no Archer), he spent years using guns instead while he worked all of that out... Which would make a great sidestory. I'd be all for Gun Hero Shirou.
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Apr 14, 2015 07:50
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Einander posted:Nah. He did Contract with the World eventually to get the power to use his Marble, but there wasn't any wish on the Grail. (This is a good thing, because I'm pretty sure no one wants to see how it'd interpret "save everyone.")
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Apr 14, 2015 12:32
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It seems like you could just append "and don't do any horrible hosed up poo poo in the process" to your wish and sidestep the Grail's jackassery pretty easily.
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Apr 14, 2015 16:28
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LORD OF BUTT posted:It seems like you could just append "and don't do any horrible hosed up poo poo in the process" to your wish and sidestep the Grail's jackassery pretty easily. It is the classic Monkey's Paw/Djinn wish connundrum. "Don't do horrible poo poo" is subjective, and it can be very easy to justify hosed up poo poo.
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Apr 14, 2015 16:31
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LORD OF BUTT posted:It seems like you could just append "and don't do any horrible hosed up poo poo in the process" to your wish and sidestep the Grail's jackassery pretty easily. "Hey, you know what's horribly hosed up? Humans. Humans are horribly hosed up. Therefore, if I remove humans, I am actively reducing the amount of horribly hosed up poo poo."
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Apr 14, 2015 16:33
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Angra Mainyu doesn't seem like the sort of wishgranter you'd be able to outmaneuver on a technicality.
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Apr 14, 2015 16:33
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LORD OF BUTT posted:It seems like you could just append "and don't do any horrible hosed up poo poo in the process" to your wish and sidestep the Grail's jackassery pretty easily. Seems like the best way short of destroying the grail outright is to wish for "do not grant anymore wishes" maybe?
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Apr 14, 2015 16:35
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AlternateNu posted:It is the classic Monkey's Paw/Djinn wish connundrum. "Don't do horrible poo poo" is subjective, and it can be very easy to justify hosed up poo poo. Or alternately just sit there for an hour plus and outline all the atrocities the Grail is not allowed to commit in the process of granting your wish, D&D minmaxer style. 
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Apr 14, 2015 16:37
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Also even without Angra I don't think the Grail can do something where the person making the wish doesn't have a clear idea in mind. So Tokiomi can easily say "open a door to the root" and it'll do that, but Kiritsugu couldn't just ask it to "save the world" because what does that even mean.
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Apr 14, 2015 16:44
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Raenir Salazar posted:Seems like the best way short of destroying the grail outright is to wish for "do not grant anymore wishes" maybe? "Sure, we'll just blow up all of humanity. Then we won't have to grant anymore wishes." Never attempt to outmaneuver a wish granting device that actively has it out for you. Just walk away or destroy it. LORD OF BUTT posted:Or alternately just sit there for an hour plus and outline all the atrocities the Grail is not allowed to commit in the process of granting your wish, D&D minmaxer style. Doesn't matter. That works with literal-minded genies, but not ones actively out to get you. Those will completely twist around anything you might say in order to screw you over.
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Apr 14, 2015 17:35
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Rodyle posted:Also even without Angra I don't think the Grail can do something where the person making the wish doesn't have a clear idea in mind. So Tokiomi can easily say "open a door to the root" and it'll do that, but Kiritsugu couldn't just ask it to "save the world" because what does that even mean. Basically, it seems like some people who have only seen Fate/Zero have a slight misconception on how the Holy Grail works (which of course is not incorrect) because the explanation has to do with how the grail functions when it isn't literally dripping in evil. The holy grail is basically a mass of energy, and if you can't give proper form to the idea or the energy it can't really do anything. As stated above, "save the world" doesn't mean anything, it doesn't direct the Holy Grail to do anything. That's the understanding that comes out of Fate/Zero. Of course, as is known after Heaven's Feel or if you read between the lines in earlier routes, the current Holy Grail is actively malicious and destructive, and will purposefully interpret any wish in the most destructive manner possible. The energy is literally possessed by the devil, it doesn't know how to do anything but destroy. So unfortunately for idealists like Kiritsugu, there's two layers of bullshit preventing the Holy Grail from doing gently caress all to achieve their dream.
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Apr 14, 2015 18:57
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Beef Waifu posted:They were also awful and probably some of the worst because there were so many of them and had Sakura being a sex vampire. Not disagreeing that they were awful, but they still make sense within the context of the story, and their relationship. LORD OF BUTT posted:My beef is just with replacing it in the first place. Just cut to black before clothes come off like the all-ages patch for Tsukihime does, way the gently caress less clunky than mana dragons and worm vampires and whatever the hell. It's not like people are going to have a heart attack at the suggestion that two characters boned at one point. This is exactly what I wanted to happen. This whole ham fisted way of trying to rewrite the story and turn her into some kind of mana vampire thing made no sense to me. Just cut to black and have him wake up in the same bed.... Now the rewriting of the Saber and the Tosaka sex scenes to be something else entirely, now that I'm on board for, seeing as those scenes actually make no sense to exist in the first place. Myurton fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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Apr 14, 2015 19:59
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So I just learned that the author of the doujin(?) that was adapted into the Carnival Phantasm anime is also the author of Kannagi. Can't say I saw that coming.
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Apr 16, 2015 15:14
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Progressing through the VN to the scene at Illya's castle, I'm amazed that Carnival Phantasm hasn't made any jokes about Tohsoka being strangely attracted to Gilgamesh's wealth.
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Apr 17, 2015 15:23
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Raenir Salazar posted:Progressing through the VN to the scene at Illya's castle, I'm amazed that Carnival Phantasm hasn't made any jokes about Tohsoka being strangely attracted to Gilgamesh's wealth. There are jokes about her obsession for money, such as reaction to Caren money offer and her car, named "Get Money model".
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Apr 17, 2015 15:56
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Her magic is literally entirely based on precious gems, hell yeah she cares about money.
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Apr 17, 2015 15:58
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Gil is like a walking Piggy Bank though.  e: Oh christ, Lancer and Shirou are hilarious.
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Apr 17, 2015 16:10
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Raenir Salazar posted:Progressing through the VN to the scene at Illya's castle, I'm amazed that Carnival Phantasm hasn't made any jokes about Tohsoka being strangely attracted to Gilgamesh's wealth. Read Gilgamesh vs Rin
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Apr 17, 2015 16:14
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gently caress the card minigame in hollow/ataraxia is stupid and infuriating and I can't stop playing it
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Apr 18, 2015 01:09
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I'll have to google how to play hanafuda but I don't want to
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Apr 18, 2015 01:53
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In light of Sella and Liz getting offed last week in UBW, it reminds me how much I loved them in Hollow Ataraxia, especially with how much Sella shat on Shirou.
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Apr 18, 2015 02:00
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Redmark posted:gently caress the card minigame in hollow/ataraxia is stupid and infuriating and I can't stop playing it Once you figure out the AI does not play around what abilities you have at all you've broken it. EDIT: ^^ Speaking of, haha oh man their ability in the FHA Hanafuda is broken as poo poo. The only reason I can tolerate playing against its broken rear end is because it trivializes everything when you get to use it.
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Twiddy posted:If by stupid and infuriating you mean broken and kind of easy (unless we're just bitching about how terrible Shinji and that one ability Caster has are, yeah). Not sure what you mean by AI not playing around abilities. You just get the one NP that moves a card you need to the top of the deck, right? You still have to hope that you have a card in the same month to actually take it with. Going by your post I'm sure I'm missing something obvious about the game. And by infuriating I mean that sometimes you can't do anything about losses, especially if the opponent has first pick. Not to mention that sometimes you literally win or lose 6 points before the round even starts...
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Apr 18, 2015 05:04
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Redmark posted:Not sure what you mean by AI not playing around abilities. You just get the one NP that moves a card you need to the top of the deck, right? You still have to hope that you have a card in the same month to actually take it with. Going by your post I'm sure I'm missing something obvious about the game. Eventually you only more characters/teams and they each have an ability and route in the game.
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Apr 18, 2015 18:58
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The animation and additional dialogue was gorgeous. I really liked how they animated Gil losing some of his composure.
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Apr 18, 2015 19:34
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Yeah, it was absolutely amazing. Probably best animated UBW episode so far.
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Apr 18, 2015 19:45
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Well I expected nothing about gratuitous action and back story, and that was... incredible.
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Apr 18, 2015 19:47
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Finally on Heaven's Feel. Okay, I must know. Was the scene where Archer shows up at random to Shirou's shed an april fool's joke update? I'm very confused as Shirou doesn't seem to mention it in the immediate next chapter. e: Interesting how if Sakura had never seen Shirou trying to make the pole jump she might have ended up a much meaner character. Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Apr 19, 2015 |
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Apr 19, 2015 05:06
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The pole jump is just the dumbest thing
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Apr 19, 2015 05:24
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I don't know why, but I was under the impression Illya was the one who created Seylla and Leysritt.
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Apr 19, 2015 06:50
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UBW made me chuckle at times and smile with amusement but holy poo poo does Heaven's Feel make me laugh like an idiot. (Particularly when Sakura and Saber gang up and punish Shirou for sneaking out) I'm going to be very sad later.  e: "Hmm, now that I think about it, a smart and devil-like person was in my age group too…" Was this Young Gil or Tohsoka, anyone know? e2: And now I finally discover where the mapo tofu thing comes from. This is truly the best route. Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Apr 19, 2015 |
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MonsieurChoc posted:I don't know why, but I was under the impression Illya was the one who created Seylla and Leysritt. She was.
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