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Darth Ballz posted:Also, his raw strength and fighting ability. I wouldn't say he's got a 'fighting ability' in the show. he fights like an angry fat kid. He's certainly not the 12th degree judo ninja that he is in the comics.
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I would also say he is becoming more and more like his comic book counter part as he show progresses as well. They are basically getting the best of both worlds, they are creating a new interesting take on the character while having him go through an arc where he ends up where he is in the comics, but still keeping the the depth they established in the beginning.
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Apr 20, 2015 18:32
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Agreed, they earning the right to have him be a more comfortable comic book villain in later series.
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Apr 20, 2015 18:43
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Whether or not you like Kingpin on the show (and I do) I don't think anyone can argue it's an interesting and bold direction for Netflix to take with a well-established character right out of the gate.
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I loved the Spiderman animated series as a kid but I have no idea why anyone would rather cling to that version of the character than what we got.Drifter posted:I wouldn't say he's got a 'fighting ability' in the show. he fights like an angry fat kid. He's certainly not the 12th degree judo ninja that he is in the comics. He fights like an angry fat kid with a ton of strength and the ability to take absurd amounts of punishment. He's not a ninja, he's just insanely loving tough.
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The Sharmat posted:He fights like an angry fat kid with a ton of strength and the ability to take absurd amounts of punishment. He's not a ninja, he's just insanely loving tough. Yeah, it's kind of crazy that that puts him into a tier with actual superheroes though. Then again, Daredevil seems to be on a pretty low tier himself; he gets tazed by old men, and occasionally has a pretty hard time even one-on-one against random hoodlums. Comics folks: is he always like this? Do you think he's up for some sort of powerup in the near future, or is he just going to keep biting off more than he can chew forever? It was cool for this one season where he got really invested in this war with Fisk but it could start to get silly after a while. edit: Okay, obviously the body armor is sort of supposed to be that powerup, but still. McNerd fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Apr 20, 2015 |
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Apr 20, 2015 19:21
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McNerd posted:Yeah, it's kind of crazy that that puts him into a tier with actual superheroes though. 
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Honestly my biggest problem with the series is that he beats information out of like 10 people. It's not even a thing about superheroes using torture, it's just, he can do other stuff as well. Come up with a new story beat guys.McNerd posted:Yeah, it's kind of crazy that that puts him into a tier with actual superheroes though. Remember when he beat up a hallway full of Russian toughs.
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zoux posted:Remember when he beat up a hallway full of Russian toughs. Right, and he also had a struggle to beat the bowling ball guy. Pretty lucky nobody in that hallway was the bowling ball guy, or had a taser, or was fat and angry. edit: I mean it's pretty clear that fight pushed him to his physical limits; if one more guy had come out of a back room with a gun, he'd have been dead. Which is fine, it was a great scene! But obviously he can't do this every day and get away with it.
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zoux posted:Remember when he beat up a hallway full of Russian toughs. While he had a just-sewn-up knife wound. Daredevil is a straight bad rear end, why does he need to be "powered up." The whole point of the character is that he has these super senses and martial arts training, but he's not Thor. Taking punishment is like his core characteristic.
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zoux posted:Honestly my biggest problem with the series is that he beats information out of like 10 people. It's not even a thing about superheroes using torture, it's just, he can do other stuff as well. Come up with a new story beat guys. On my rewatch, I noticed that in episode 3 (I think) Claire is asking him what the plan is, and he doesn't have one except beat street level criminals until someone talks. Like, he's supposed to be smarter than that. If he didn't love beating people up, he could do the same job by working smarter instead of hitting harder, but it's like he rather just beat on people.
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mikeraskol posted:Taking punishment is like his core characteristic. In fact taking punishment is where he gets his superpowers. Daredevil is a repressed BDSM lover! Blindfolds, sticks, cuts, candles, weird getups, he's quite a kink! Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Apr 20, 2015 |
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Apr 20, 2015 20:04
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Is the name Kingpin actually uttered in dialogue by anyone in this series? I don't remember anything but Fisk and "the man on top"/"the king"/other things adjacent to The Kingpin.
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The word daredevil isn't even mentioned until the last episode. Kingpin isn't mentioned at all.
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No, it isn't. On a conspiracy board the king card is pinned to the top though, representing him. Maybe he'll get the name in prison.
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I think part of it is that those words, daredevil and kingpin, aren't as ubiquitous as they were when those characters were created. They're so much less likely to come up organically in conversation.
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greatn posted:No, it isn't. On a conspiracy board the king card is pinned to the top though, representing him. Maybe he'll get the name in prison. I like that Matt's card on that is a black jack - a jack with a black mask drawn on it. Though perhaps a Jester/Joker would have suited his position in the whole thing more.
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Phylodox posted:I think part of it is that those words, daredevil and kingpin, aren't as ubiquitous as they were when those characters were created. They're so much less likely to come up organically in conversation. Yeah, I understand and think it was better off for it, I was just curious since everyone in the thread obviously calls him that even though, technically, it's just a vestigial name that doesn't actually apply to the character we see on the show (yet anyway). I wonder if he showed up on 2 more seasons and was never christened as Kingpin officially, would the fanbase still call him that anyway forever, or would eventually he just be Fisk? I guess people call the Agents of SHIELD characters by their comic names (Quake, Mockingbird) constantly even if those names haven't been given on the show - makes it confusing for non-comic-readers to follow occasionally. People called a character the Reader from the comics for pages since I guess he was blind, then later it turned out that wasn't even who he was intended to be.
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People don't call Skye Quake, though, they call her Mary Sue Poots THAT'S NOT HER NAME!!!
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Electromax posted:Yeah, I understand and think it was better off for it, I was just curious since everyone in the thread obviously calls him that even though, technically, it's just a vestigial name that doesn't actually apply to the character we see on the show (yet anyway). I wonder if he showed up on 2 more seasons and was never christened as Kingpin officially, would the fanbase still call him that anyway forever, or would eventually he just be Fisk? Well quake is a good nickname anyway since Skye is always making quakes, and Bobbi is always imitating car alarms and dive bombing crows, so Mockingbird works there too.
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tsob posted:I like that Matt's card on that is a black jack - a jack with a black mask drawn on it. Though perhaps a Jester/Joker would have suited his position in the whole thing more. His father's name was Jack. Whereas the Kingpin's dad also drove a nail into his own head (when making those signs). Parallels.
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McNerd posted:Right, and he also had a struggle to beat the bowling ball guy. Pretty lucky nobody in that hallway was the bowling ball guy, or had a taser, or was fat and angry. That bowling ball guy was a professional assassin though, so he was a few steps up from "random thug". Similar class of fighter as Rance, guy that tried to kill Karen.
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Oh wesley  you dun goofed
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Someone made this point in the BSS TV thread, but for 90% of the fights in this show Daredevil is already beat up, pulling out stitches, etc. He's almost never fighting at full strength. The first time he fights Fisk he just went mano a mano with Nobu and was basically near death. He still hadn't recovered from that the final time he fought him in the finale. Hell even in the hallway fight scene Daredevil is severely hurt and was just recently stitched up by Claire.
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Kurtofan posted:Oh wesley It's neat because he normally has things so together, but he's trying to protect Fisk from FLIPPING THE gently caress OUT and he's off on his own not handling this problem any of the ways they normally would. There's normally a plan, but he was winging it.
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McNerd posted:Right, and he also had a struggle to beat the bowling ball guy. Pretty lucky nobody in that hallway was the bowling ball guy, or had a taser, or was fat and angry. But it didnt happen and the story presented is how it is. I hate fanfic poo poo "WHAT IF".
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Daredevil was beaten by an old man with a stun gun.
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Snak posted:It's neat because he normally has things so together, but he's trying to protect Fisk from FLIPPING THE gently caress OUT and he's off on his own not handling this problem any of the ways they normally would. There's normally a plan, but he was winging it. I love the look on his face when it all goes wrong. It's like he hasn't considered the possibility that his intimidation wouldn't work.
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Kainser posted:Daredevil was beaten by an old man with a stun gun. He heard Stick's signature tapping and completely lost his composure and ended up underestimating the out of shape old man for a moment, it's understandable at least.
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Snak posted:It's neat because he normally has things so together, but he's trying to protect Fisk from FLIPPING THE gently caress OUT and he's off on his own not handling this problem any of the ways they normally would. There's normally a plan, but he was winging it. Okay that answers the question I was going to post. I was so confused over how Wesley would mess this up but yeah that makes sense.
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Skeezy posted:Okay that answers the question I was going to post. I was so confused over how Wesley would mess this up but yeah that makes sense. Yeah I think he does what he does because he knows Fisk well enough to either want to protect Fisk or to be very afraid of what Fisk will do if he finds out. Remember this is right when Vanessa is in critical condition from being poisoned, Wesley does want Fisk getting this double wammy. He's worried and makes him careless.
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He also gets himself shot because a) Fisk is a huge baby who cannot take care of himself and b) Wesley is both extremely servile and protective of the guy to a fault. Basically neither of them can or will really let Fisk be his own man and people die because of it.
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Jeez what a good show. This is the Breaking Bad of superhero shows.
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Snak posted:Yeah I think he does what he does because he knows Fisk well enough to either want to protect Fisk or to be very afraid of what Fisk will do if he finds out. Remember this is right when Vanessa is in critical condition from being poisoned, Wesley does want Fisk getting this double wammy. He's worried and makes him careless. I also think that Wesley isn't particularly 'hands-on' as a criminal. His intimidation is inept, because it's not something he normally does for Fisk. He obviously wanted to keep things quiet, so he decided to take care of Karen himself, but completely misjudged her and the situation. Leaving the gun on the table was a mistake, but it's in character as we never see Wesley do this kind of thing. He's more of a coordinator/arranger than a doer.
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I kinda wanted a flashback of when Fisk met Wesley. Also it's been mentioned probably but the dude playing Wesley kinda looks like James Spader.
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Wesley is a good friend, he's just a solid all around dude.
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Skeezy posted:I kinda wanted a flashback of when Fisk met Wesley. I thought he looked like Victor Garber minus 25 years.
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Snak posted:Yeah I think he does what he does because he knows Fisk well enough to either want to protect Fisk or to be very afraid of what Fisk will do if he finds out. Remember this is right when Vanessa is in critical condition from being poisoned, Wesley does want Fisk getting this double wammy. He's worried and makes him careless. Fisk was also pretty much turning into a trainwreck in terms of strategy at that point.
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etalian posted:Fisk was also pretty much turning into a trainwreck in terms of strategy at that point. He was up against the Owl, the Hand, and Lady Crane. He was always a bit out of his league. He'll be ready for the next round when he inevitably is cleared of all charges due to a legal complication or receives immunity after fleeing to Europe after a period of time.
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As far as Daredevil's suit goes I assume this is just the beta version and as the series progresses he'll find ways to modify it or change it more and more until it's more streamlined. That makes sense since they are going all out by making the series very origin based. I understand the direction they were going with Kingpin but I think the acting choices were odd. Kingpin does seem too aspergers like. It's doubtful that someone with that little social skills could make it in the crime world. It does not really explain how he was able to manipulate his way to the top.
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