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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:I wanna see how modern that thing can be pushed. Like, what's the most recently released game that could be played on it. - athlon xp 2400+ -1gb ddr ram -s3 savage 4 (PCI video card) -soundblaster awe64 gold (ISA sound card) -some weird motherboard with slots for the above and both sdr and ddr slots Still have the bits somewhere and it's still the best way to run some early 3D accelerated windows games that won't do modern hardware (eg: interstate 76).
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I think that was always going to come down to "what's the most advanced motherboard with an ISA slot".
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Fuzz1111 posted:I've done the opposite - a few years ago I tried putting together the most advanced PC that could still play the last of the DOS games natively with sound (a worthy goal at the time because 2007 era PC's couldn't quite run stuff like Death Rally at full speed in dosbox). Specs were something like: Now that's a project I would be wholey interested in. And oh the memories of trying to get my parents 75Mhz Ipex computer to play Interstate 76. EDIT: Anyone remember Disc Format Film?  Humphreys has a new favorite as of 08:25 on Apr 22, 2015 |
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Flipperwaldt posted:I think that was always going to come down to "what's the most advanced motherboard with an ISA slot". Actually you can still get new motherboards for modern CPUs with ISA slots. They are usually for industrial purposes where you have some old controller card or something that is only available in ISA. They are also very expensive. http://www.interloper.com/products/product-details.php?productid=115510&cat=105
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Lowen SoDium posted:They are also very expensive. 
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Lowen SoDium posted:Actually you can still get new motherboards for modern CPUs with ISA slots. They are usually for industrial purposes where you have some old controller card or something that is only available in ISA. They are also very expensive. Oh my god. Can you imagine selling products so bespoke and niche that you could just like.... allow that website to be shown to the world? Knowing full-well your customers will have no choice but to type their CC info into it? Geez
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32MB OF ESRAM posted:Oh my god. Can you imagine selling products so bespoke and niche that you could just like.... allow that website to be shown to the world? Knowing full-well your customers will have no choice but to type their CC info into it? Geez The website is simple, clean, and has probably been functioning perfectly since 1998. It's better than a lot of newer ones, that's for sure
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Lowen SoDium posted:Actually you can still get new motherboards for modern CPUs with ISA slots. They are usually for industrial purposes where you have some old controller card or something that is only available in ISA. They are also very expensive. Couldn't you just use the ISA/ serial ports over USB? I imagine that would be way cheaper than baking 20 year old tech into a swish new motherboard.
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I look after the PCs in a recording studio and they use ISA slots for something or other, it's a right pain in the arse.Jonathan Yeah! posted:Couldn't you just use the ISA/ serial ports over USB? I imagine that would be way cheaper than baking 20 year old tech into a swish new motherboard. Have you got a link to anything? This sounds really interesting, thanks 
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Humphreys posted:
The good thing about the disc format is you could take the cartridge out after taking a shot and rewind it one, then you could re-expose another shot over the top for some mysterious ghost pictures WOOOOOOOO
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peter gabriel posted:Have you got a link to anything? This sounds really interesting, thanks Know nothing about it; only just found out it existed myself. Could have kept my EWS64 XL, dammit.
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Humphreys posted:Now that's a project I would be wholey interested in. And oh the memories of trying to get my parents 75Mhz Ipex computer to play Interstate 76. Those lovely tiny negatives made 110 look good.
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Lowen SoDium posted:Actually you can still get new motherboards for modern CPUs with ISA slots. They are usually for industrial purposes where you have some old controller card or something that is only available in ISA. They are also very expensive. Only $450 an I can plug in my old Roland card AND a CGA adapter!? Or, you know, get ten of them for that much (assuming direct memory access isn't required) http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/PCI-to-8-bit-ISA-convertor_1927507505.html 32MB OF ESRAM posted:Oh my god. Can you imagine selling products so bespoke and niche that you could just like.... allow that website to be shown to the world? Knowing full-well your customers will have no choice but to type their CC info into it? Geez Lots of stuff that isn't for the consumer market looks like rear end. Here's a website that provides radio broadcast technology to large portions of Canada: http://www.oakwoodbroadcast.com/specials.asp And the less tech you get, the worse the websites are. Sometimes there aren't even any. Like if you want to order bulk quantities of gravel, at best you'll find something that looks like a print brochure translated into HTML and sometimes not much more than a glorified white pages listing for the local supply company. Same with tubular steel, assuming you need more than the 6 foot lengths that Home Depot probably has for sale.
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Athenry posted:Quake Live is still around and is basically quake 3 in your browser. It is great. Quake live isn't a browser game anymore, but it's free to play and available on Steam or a separate setup.
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Flipperwaldt posted:http://arstech.com/install/ecom-prodshow/usb2isax3.html Thanks man, it's out of stock there but that's good enough info for me to be able to find another I think. Looks like the studio can have new PCs!
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Humphreys posted:Now that's a project I would be wholey interested in. And oh the memories of trying to get my parents 75Mhz Ipex computer to play Interstate 76. Oh poo poo, I think I still have some of these in my big stupid box of photos! I remember playing with them as a kid.
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atomicthumbs posted:The website is simple, clean, and has probably been functioning perfectly since 1998. It's better than a lot of newer ones, that's for sure Yeah. It's not amazon, but it isn't like it would be difficult to shop there. And I suspect it's compatible with every browser under the sun.
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Flipperwaldt posted:Could have kept my EWS64 XL, dammit. For goodness' sake, don't use soundcards old enough to have a driver's license and get something sweet with enough I/O and modern converters.
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Dick Trauma posted:Those lovely tiny negatives made 110 look good. Its a pretty big thing that people overlooked when film was being "miniaturized" in the late 90's to try and compete with the beginnings of digital. Chemical film size plays a huge part in the clarity of the image, particularly if you're trying to keep costs within a reasonable limit. Small was just plain shittier then 35mm. Does anyone have any recent experience in film photography art? Digitial may be far superior for everyday and professional use but darkroom work was one of the highlights of my school days in the early 2000's and would hate for people to miss out on it now because of digital.
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peter gabriel posted:Thanks man, it's out of stock there but that's good enough info for me to be able to find another I think. If I'm understanding the site correctly, using that addon requires whatever software you're using to be recompiled using their own SDK, which makes sense.
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Laserjet 4P posted:For goodness' sake, don't use soundcards old enough to have a driver's license and get something sweet with enough I/O and modern converters. 
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Nutsngum posted:Its a pretty big thing that people overlooked when film was being "miniaturized" in the late 90's to try and compete with the beginnings of digital. Chemical film size plays a huge part in the clarity of the image, particularly if you're trying to keep costs within a reasonable limit. Small was just plain shittier then 35mm. RIT, with its huge photography program in the city where consumer film and cameras were born and raised, recently removed (well, converted to hilariously small offices) a huge portion of the freshman b/w darkrooms and I think all but like 2 color film processing machines. Big, big difference from even 10 years ago when my wife graduated from the program. sirbeefalot has a new favorite as of 20:44 on Apr 22, 2015 |
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Nutsngum posted:Its a pretty big thing that people overlooked when film was being "miniaturized" in the late 90's to try and compete with the beginnings of digital. Chemical film size plays a huge part in the clarity of the image, particularly if you're trying to keep costs within a reasonable limit. Small was just plain shittier then 35mm. A lot of schools are gutting them, but it isn't hard to find local clubs that still run their own darkrooms. Plus a lot of developing B&W film can be done in your own bathroom, it's only two chemicals and not really temperature dependent. It isn't until you start doing a lot of medium or large format work that you really worry about getting good prints made, and if you're crazy enough to shoot LF then you probably have all the rest figured out.
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Nutsngum posted:Its a pretty big thing that people overlooked when film was being "miniaturized" in the late 90's to try and compete with the beginnings of digital. Chemical film size plays a huge part in the clarity of the image, particularly if you're trying to keep costs within a reasonable limit. Small was just plain shittier then 35mm. For a brief period when my brother and I were getting into photography in the mid 1970s we turned our bathroom into a darkroom. We were using a cheap enlarger and going through all my father's old rolls of 35mm developing anything we could find along with our own fledgling images. That's when I started fooling around with placing items directly on the paper and seeing how it turned out, especially things that were partially transparent. Like most analog to digital changes there's a visceral aspect to the experience that's missing, but in this case I think something's definitely lost. You can't reproduce the results with a scanner, and similar to the sad loss of tone in regular digital images it's lacking in digital art as well.
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Antifreeze Head posted:Only $450 an I can plug in my old Roland card AND a CGA adapter!?
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Nutsngum posted:Its a pretty big thing that people overlooked when film was being "miniaturized" in the late 90's to try and compete with the beginnings of digital. Chemical film size plays a huge part in the clarity of the image, particularly if you're trying to keep costs within a reasonable limit. Small was just plain shittier then 35mm. My ex teaches high school photography and they do a film unit complete with darkroom.
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I took darkroom photography in High School, but in the past few years since I graduated they've gutted my HS's old darkroom. My 14yo cousin is taking DR Photo at her fancy-shmancy school though.
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I'm about to be transferring to art school to major in photography. Film photography is very much alive and well (and, at least for medium and large format, still looks better than digital).
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atomicthumbs posted:I'm about to be transferring to art school to major in photography. Film photography is very much alive and well (and, at least for medium and large format, still looks better than digital). The cameras look nicer too  Just look at that grip!
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Nutsngum posted:Does anyone have any recent experience in film photography art? Digitial may be far superior for everyday and professional use but darkroom work was one of the highlights of my school days in the early 2000's and would hate for people to miss out on it now because of digital. I took a couple of photography classes in college in 2007. Had to share a single medium-sized darkroom with about a dozen other students and our work was limited to B&W. The other class was digital photography. No matter how many pixels you throw at a photo, it still won't look as good as film. Everyone should take the opportunity to develop their own film at least once.
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keyboard vomit posted:The cameras look nicer too My long-lost first SLR was an ancestor. She may not look advanced but don't be fooled: there's a built-in light meter! 
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Nutsngum posted:Its a pretty big thing that people overlooked when film was being "miniaturized" in the late 90's to try and compete with the beginnings of digital. Chemical film size plays a huge part in the clarity of the image, particularly if you're trying to keep costs within a reasonable limit. Small was just plain shittier then 35mm. I shoot and develop 35mm b&w film occasionally. It's fun, and thanks to an old enlarger off Craigslist I can also make prints. There's a whole thread in the Dorkroom about it, but filmposting in here is good too. I use a Pentax ME Super and shoot Arista Premium 400, which I guess has been discontinued so I'll probably switch to Arista EDU. I want to get a medium-format TLR because they are amazing
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I have a 1930s vintage rangefinder Leica that takes awesome photos. I really should get back into using it.
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The thing I miss most about shooting film is not seeing the photos until they've been developed. With digital I've seen them all before I even take the next shot.
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keyboard vomit posted:The cameras look nicer too Best part, the glass contains thorium!
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Dick Trauma posted:My long-lost first SLR was an ancestor. She may not look advanced but don't be fooled: there's a built-in light meter! I had one of these for a while, but I sucked at photography. 
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I saw something today that I thought was obsolete, or at least no longer being made. They had a Zune media player in one of the showcases on today's The Price is Right. Are Zunes still being made?
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Mister Kingdom posted:I had one of these for a while, but I sucked at photography. The X-700 was a goddamned fantastic camera. I had an X-370, an X-700, a couple of Maxxum 7000s ,a Maxxum 9000, and a Maxxum 7 plus a ton of old Minolta glass. Then I sold it all when I had to switch to digital (and Canon) for work. I miss all my old Minolta stuff every day.
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rockinricky posted:I saw something today that I thought was obsolete, or at least no longer being made. They had a Zune media player in one of the showcases on today's The Price is Right. Are Zunes still being made? I'm sure what you saw was a re-run.
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Flipperwaldt posted:I think that was always going to come down to "what's the most advanced motherboard with an ISA slot". The video card was chosen for a reason though because some of the high resolution (aka more than 320x240) DOS games could be very picky about the video card: I've only ever got IndyCar Racing's high res mode (640x480) to work on an old 486 laptop, and I remember mostly navigating Death Rally's menus via scrambled output that filled 1/4 the screen (the game itself was lower res and worked fine).
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