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Pissflaps posted:Exactly! They've got little room to 'dictate terms' to the Labour party. They don't want or need a huge amount of room though, is my point. Ideologically, or at least, in terms of ideological ideals they're extremely similar. Don't pay too much attention to "dictate", focus on "terms"; we'll support Labour legislating big thing as long as we get to define some small implementation.
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How many seats do the Tories/Lib Dems/DUP/UKIP combined currently have? Whilst a workable government of them seems very unlikely, how many seats do they have to lose before a Tory led government becomes impossible?
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CoolCab posted:They don't want or need a huge amount of room though, is my point. Ideologically, or at least, in terms of ideological ideals they're extremely similar. Don't pay too much attention to "dictate", focus on "terms"; we'll support Labour legislating big thing as long as we get to define some small implementation. Well that's hard to find fault with. The ideal solution to all this of course is for the SNP to drop their commitment to independence and for Labour to pull out of Scotland entirely, then in about 20 years the parties can merge.
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mediadave posted:How many seats do the Tories/Lib Dems/DUP/UKIP combined currently have? Whilst a workable government of them seems very unlikely, how many seats do they have to lose before a Tory led government becomes impossible? They'd need a majority to survive a confidence vote, which is why SNP+Labour reaching 326 is the magic number, as they would (barring some Grand Coalition malarky) always vote the Tories down.
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dispatch_async posted:Also I find it bizarre that people think that every single policy that a Labour government might want to bring forwards over the next 5 years is already set out in their manifesto. Much of the awful poo poo the last Labour government did wasn't in any manifesto (as was some of the positive stuff - circumstances change over the course of a parliament). Yeah pretty much. If Labour had a history of sticking to their manifestos we would have an elected house of lords by now. Pissflaps posted:Well that's hard to find fault with.
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namesake posted:I think the Lib Dems want to be out of government again and so are proposing all kinds of red lines and deal breakers about all kinds of things so they can refuse to form another coalition while remaining 'principled'. I have heard that before, but that's a bit stupid if it is their plan. That would mean the only example anyone would have of Lib Dems in government in 100 years and being the influence they claim they want to be is of them being the least popular part of an unpopular government (that, I think is only going to get less popular in hindsight).
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Pissflaps posted:Well that's hard to find fault with. Not for the SNP it's not, the ideal situation for them in lieu of independence would be to have a working relationship with Labour similar to the SDLP (except with more muscle due to having a load of seats rather than a handful).
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If we assume that the SNP are unlikely to vote with the Tories very much then Labour can deal with the Lib Dems to pass any votes that the SNP abstain on.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:If we assume that the SNP are unlikely to vote with the Tories very much then Labour can deal with the Lib Dems to pass any votes that the SNP abstain on. Aligning with the Tories already killed half their base, aligning with Labour and the SNP would kill the other half. The Lib Dems are waffling this election because pandering to their now radically reduced base means pandering to people who enjoyed the coalition.
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CoolCab posted:Aligning with the Tories already killed half their base, aligning with Labour and the SNP would kill the other half. The Lib Dems are waffling this election because pandering to their now radically reduced base means pandering to people who enjoyed the coalition. Ah, I was wondering who their current "truth is in the middle" message appealed to..
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I wonder what the SNP will look like in 5 years time. I have my doubts that the party will retain its impetus due to its nature of promising everything to everyone. As soon as this next referendum issue begins to drag on, I have a feeling there may be a shedding of members to some sort of hard line Scottish independence party.
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CoolCab posted:Aligning with the Tories already killed half their base, aligning with Labour and the SNP would kill the other half. The Lib Dems are waffling this election because pandering to their now radically reduced base means pandering to people who enjoyed the coalition. For most of the seats they're going to keep their base in this election is anti-Tory tactical voters... Pretty sure most of the "Orange Bookers" like Clegg and Alexander are likely hosed in this election.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:For most of the seats they're going to keep their base in this election is anti-Tory tactical voters... Yeah, I heard some UKIP guy talking about how with Farage's name on the ballot they'll have 5-10% more than just UKIP as in the polling for Thanet South. I can well imagine the opposite to be true for Clegg in Sheffield Hallam.
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I like to imagine that Dave (like some modern day Fagin) sent Cleggy out to steal this van full of ballot papers. I also like to imagine that when Dave heard that the ballot papers would be voided so as to be unusable he got out the cane and punished poor old Cleggy's arse. But that's.... that's a whole other thing.... communism bitch fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Apr 29, 2015 |
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Antwan3K posted:Yeah, I heard some UKIP guy talking about how with Farage's name on the ballot they'll have 5-10% more than just UKIP as in the polling for Thanet South. I can well imagine the opposite to be true for Clegg in Sheffield Hallam. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/29/clegg-farage-sheffield-south-thanet-ashcroft-poll quote:Clegg’s majority is around 15,000 but Labour have been fighting hard in the seat in an attempt to “decapitate” the Lib Dems. Clegg said he had not seen Ashcroft’s latest poll, but added that private Lib Dem polling of the constituency put him “firmly ahead” and repeated that those polled had not been told the name of the candidate, which he argues distorts the result.
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quote:Labour is unhappy about the make-up of the audience at Thursday’s BBC Question Time event.
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It's a companion piece. keep punching joe fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Apr 29, 2015 |
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i wonder if ol' rupert's a bit upset that miliband said his power is waning
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# ? Apr 29, 2015 21:59 |
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See, nonpartisan journalism at its finest.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05rk8rj Go to 29 minutes in. David Cameron literally says "if you don't have a job in 6 months you have to go home" about EU migrants. He's gone full UKIP! I can't believe the interviewer didn't call him out on that.
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Ah, the Sun never ceases to make me roll my eyes. Here's another wheelchairgate, this time involving a peer. quote:A Lib Dem peer who is wheelchair-bound today told how she was made to feel like a nuisance “inanimate object” after she was barred from boarding an almost empty bus.
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Counterpoint! quote:Up to two thirds of the audience in Thursday’s Question Time Leaders’ debates will be left wing, The Telegraph can disclose. Looks like both sides pre-emptively claiming that the audience is biased against their guy!
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mediadave posted:I have heard that before, but that's a bit stupid if it is their plan. That would mean the only example anyone would have of Lib Dems in government in 100 years and being the influence they claim they want to be is of them being the least popular part of an unpopular government (that, I think is only going to get less popular in hindsight). People forget. Remember when no-one was ever voting Labour again after Iraq? Those were the days. The only exception to this rule seems to be WW2 which our national identity has been pretty hung up on ever since.
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keep punching joe posted:It's a companion piece. So they're endorsing the Tories because they can stop the party they're endorsing in Scotland.
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keep punching joe posted:It's a companion piece. Can you reupload this as when I click on it I get a 404 error
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notaspy posted:Can you reupload this as when I click on it I get a 404 error
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notaspy posted:Can you reupload this as when I click on it I get a 404 error Sorry, fixed the link. Annoying Imgur BBcode glitch.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Counterpoint! Found their mistake. Do you think they'll print a correction?
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thanks d00dz
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Badger of Basra posted:This is a cool thing :http://www.theguardian.com/business/ng-interactive/2015/apr/29/the-austerity-delusion?CMP=fb_gu Just going back to this article. Does anyone more familiar with the Labour party know if they're not fighting the Conservatives on this point because they're fully signed up to an austerity = good vision of the world, or because they know it's wrong and have taken a tactical decision not to speak out about it?
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Prince John posted:Just going back to this article. Does anyone more familiar with the Labour party know if they're not fighting the Conservatives on this point because they're fully signed up to an austerity = good vision of the world, or because they know it's wrong and have taken a tactical decision not to speak out about it? The press has decided it's true, so it is true. Much like how immigration is a bad thing because the press has decided it's bad.
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Zalakwe posted:People forget. Remember when no-one was ever voting Labour again after Iraq? Those were the days.
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keep punching joe posted:It's a companion piece. It must really gall Murdoch that there's not even a party who'll do well enough UK-wide that he can run an endorsement that'll allow for SUN WOT WON IT trumpeting post-election I wish they had ran a more pragmatic front page that's like IT'S A TORY-LIB DEM-DEMOCRATIC UNIONIST-UKIP- OH GOD OH MY GOD KILL IT and the baby is Cameron with like Nick Clegg's head attached to his head and one arm is a miniature Peter Robinson and Nigel Farage's mouth is bellowing from where its navel should be
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Prince John posted:Just going back to this article. Does anyone more familiar with the Labour party know if they're not fighting the Conservatives on this point because they're fully signed up to an austerity = good vision of the world, or because they know it's wrong and have taken a tactical decision not to speak out about it? I imagine we'll see if they get into office, once they're in government they can do what they like, but as stated, apparently everyone believes that austerity is very cool and good so to publicly object to it (without the support of the media) would be a losing battle.
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GimpChimp posted:It must really gall Murdoch that there's not even a party who'll do well enough UK-wide that he can run an endorsement that'll allow for SUN WOT WON IT trumpeting post-election GimpChimp posted:I wish they had ran a more pragmatic front page that's like IT'S A TORY-LIB DEM-DEMOCRATIC UNIONIST-UKIP- OH GOD OH MY GOD KILL IT and the baby is Cameron with like Nick Clegg's head attached to his head and one arm is a miniature Peter Robinson and Nigel Farage's mouth is bellowing from where its navel should be
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Zalakwe posted:People forget. Remember when no-one was ever voting Labour again after Iraq? Those were the days.
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beaker angry! beaker leak secret tory plans for cuts! http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/29/danny-alexander-tory-plans-welfare-cuts-child-benefits quote:Danny Alexander, the Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury, has taken the extraordinary step of lifting the lid on Tory plans for an £8bn plan to cut welfare, including slashing child benefits and child tax credits.
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Pissflaps posted:So they're endorsing the Tories because they can stop the party they're endorsing in Scotland. The more Labour has to depend on the SNP the better "project illegitimate government" will run. The Lab-SNP coalition everyone is depending on has to survive the obvious vicious bullshit it's going to be put through. I do hope the NATS realise the Tories WILL put Scotland through hell if they get back in. The SNP will not be enough to protect them. We will all suffer together <3.
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