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Boogaleeboo posted:He slits her throat with a thrown playing card. That's the entire point of his iconic "But me? I'm magic." line. She throws a sai, he throws a playing card. He catches her sai, she gets her throat slit. Then he does his "For my next trick" and kills her with her own sai. He fights relatively equally with magic ninjas when he's never had a moments training in anything in his entire life. Having him be the guy who just doesn't miss is about the barest level of competence you can give him to play at the level he plays at. ...does this happen outside of the 2003 movie?
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Apr 29, 2015 17:02
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Boogaleeboo posted:He slits her throat with a thrown playing card. That's the entire point of his iconic "But me? I'm magic." line. She throws a sai, he throws a playing card. He catches her sai, she gets her throat slit. Then he does his "For my next trick" and kills her with her own sai. He fights relatively equally with magic ninjas when he's never had a moments training in anything in his entire life. Having him be the guy who just doesn't miss is about the barest level of competence you can give him to play at the level he plays at. Snak posted:...does this happen outside of the 2003 movie?
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Apr 29, 2015 17:03
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Snak posted:...does this happen outside of the 2003 movie? It's about the most iconic two pages in DD comics history. That's comics/character spoiler, natch.
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Apr 29, 2015 17:04
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Huh, I guess props for them putting that scene in the movie then...
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Apr 29, 2015 17:07
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pentyne posted:Well, Forbes is taking the click-bait route "Works at" might be too strong a characterization for the relationship /sites/X/ have to Forbes.
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Apr 29, 2015 17:43
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odiv posted:I'm still pretty impressed at the amount of Russian, Japanese, and Mandarin in the show. Usually it's one or two sentences max and then even two characters who are supposedly native speakers decide to speak English with each other "for practice" or whatever. Yeah, definitely. I'm a total nerd for that kind of thing and loved it in Inglourious Basterds and X Men: First Class too. Nobu's Japanese was hilarious (in the good way, he was one seriously pissed motherfucker all the time), but that one little snippet of Gao and Fisk talking in Japanese was pretty bad. Which wasn't a bad thing, mind you. They weren't supposed to be fluent. I heard mixed reports about Gao's Mandarin earlier in the thread, can anyone weigh in? And on the Russians' Russian? They sounded good enough to me but then again I don't know the languages so that judgment is made purely on the cadence and inflection and such.
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Apr 29, 2015 17:50
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ruby idiot railed posted:"Works at" might be too strong a characterization for the relationship /sites/X/ have to Forbes. Yeah, that guy doesn't really work at Forbes, he's a contributing blogger which isn't the same thing. The one that called it the best thing in the MCU was as well. Anytime you see /sites/ in the URL it's a contributing blogger and not really a Forbes employee.
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Apr 29, 2015 17:54
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greatn posted:Yeah, In the comics - and remember this is the 1960's - from Day 1, Foggy was into Karen, Karen was into Matt, and Matt was like, "I love her but she would never have me because I'm a useless cripple." Eventually she got together with Foggy, but it didn't work out, then she got together with Matt, and it didn't work out, then she sold evidence of his secret identity for heroin, then she did porn, then she thought she had AIDS and told Matt he had it too but she didn't, then she died. I mean, whoops, spoiler for the worst plotline of Daredevil. In the show, they've started a bit of that, but while Matt is into Karen, he's also into Claire, Vanessa, the real estate chick, Foggy, and anything else with a heartbeat. He's more late-Daredevil omnisexual Matt than someone who wants to marry Karen and have her be his 60's housewife/secretary. Honestly with the amount of people I know in New York making their alternate relationships work, if the office turned into an established threesome I wouldn't blink.
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Apr 29, 2015 18:04
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AnonSpore posted:I heard mixed reports about Gao's Mandarin earlier in the thread, can anyone weigh in? And on the Russians' Russian? They sounded good enough to me but then again I don't know the languages so that judgment is made purely on the cadence and inflection and such. As a native Chinese speaker, it's kind of like she's speaking Mandarin as a native of another dialect. More passable than a Chinese-as-second-language speaker. Fairly appropriate for Gao's character.
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Apr 29, 2015 18:23
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Can someone please tell me a source for this "rumor" other than "I made it up". http://www.vigilantist.com/?p=148
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Apr 29, 2015 18:25
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Well, by clicking on it you've done what it is intending to do. As to not give that guy traffic, its a dude who's like "Hey I heard that Netflix is developing Punisher" with literally zero corroboration.
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Apr 29, 2015 18:30
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It keeps getting asked (what do you want in the next season?) and most of it seems like a no brainer. Aside from Fisk, Bullseye, Electra, Punisher and Owl, Daredevil's rogues gallery is comically bad. So I'd say just do more Miller. They've already laid the groundwork for all of it. Electra shows up as "the Greek chick from college" that Foggy asked about and she somehow ties into the ninja poo poo. Wilson skates the charges on technicalities and bribes and emerges mad as gently caress, hires the sniper from the first season (who is indeed Bullseye), gradually figures out that Matt is Daredevil and sets about systematically destroying his life and his practice. The Punisher would fit very well in the world they've set up too. He's basically Matt with a machine gun and no code against killing. Karen's "past indiscretions" come into play and she's blackmailed into selling out Matt's identity. You just basically do "Born Again" and leave out the stupid and over the top Millerisms poo poo (Nuke, Captain America, resurrections, lethal playing cards, etc.). Maybe, if Netflix' Iron Fist and Luke Cage work out well, you cross them over a bit. Owlsley's son takes up the mantle of The Owl and is a natural rival to Kingpin. From there, if we get a season three, do the Bendis/Brubaker stuff that already has all of these characters established, where Matt's identity is outed in the tabloids, they're all in jail together (Fisk, Murdock, Owlsley and his men along with Castle) or whatever. It's not that hard since the material is already so good and has already been written and story boarded . You just have to bring the new characters into the existing world and write, cast and direct them as well as the established ones already have been. Daredevil comics have been consistently great for decades and mostly rooted in reality so there's not an over abundance of out of this world bullshit to weed out.
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Apr 29, 2015 18:51
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The recent Wait run had him fighting the Steel Serpents, who as far as I can tell were a bunch of racists who were also in control of the legal system in New York, and if you read it now it just looks prescient. The issue where a cop assaults an innocent black man in front of everyone is just ... eerie.
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Apr 29, 2015 19:00
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Honestly, if you've been interested in comics by any of the MCU stuff and it just looks too daunting, Daredevil is a great jumping on point for the comics. He's famously anti-team up so almost everything happens in his ongoing, and three out of the last four Daredevil writers going back to the early 2000s have won Eisners for writing. It's been an outstanding book, with one notable but not terribly long gap, for more than a decade.
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Apr 29, 2015 19:04
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BiggerBoat posted:So I'd say just do more Miller. They've already laid the groundwork for all of it. Electra shows up as "the Greek chick from college" that Foggy asked about and she somehow ties into the ninja poo poo. Wilson skates the charges on technicalities and bribes and emerges mad as gently caress, hires the sniper from the first season (who is indeed Bullseye), Fisk is probably quite angry at that sniper, since Blake having to be killed by his partner is arguably the first domino which toppled Fisk's empire.
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Apr 29, 2015 19:29
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dj_clawson posted:In the show, they've started a bit of that, but while Matt is into Karen, he's also into Claire, Vanessa, the real estate chick, Foggy, and anything else with a heartbeat. He's more late-Daredevil omnisexual Matt than someone who wants to marry Karen and have her be his 60's housewife/secretary. Yeah, I vastly prefer a direction where Matt's like the Don Draper of superheroes, who womanizes incessantly to cope with the various traumas of his life but is more or less incapable of a stable relationship. Giving him *one* girlfriend misses that point; it's way stronger to me if sex is some therapy he abuses to make himself feel like a normal person. (It also helps to differentiate him from Batman, who's basically asexual.) In general, I like this version of Daredevil more than Batman, because it's essentially what a non-libertarian Batman would look like. The social justice argument is often literally that socioeconomic reality is complex, and that even criminals are motivated by larger forces of inequality. The "big bad" of the season is basically gentrification and corporate malfeasance; the most important villains are defined by their extreme wealth and insulation from the damage they're doing.
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Apr 29, 2015 19:35
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tin can made man posted:Fisk is probably quite angry at that sniper, since Blake having to be killed by his partner is arguably the first domino which toppled Fisk's empire. All the better. It sets up dynamic tension between Kingpin and Bullseye.
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Apr 29, 2015 19:52
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Xealot posted:Yeah, I vastly prefer a direction where Matt's like the Don Draper of superheroes, who womanizes incessantly to cope with the various traumas of his life but is more or less incapable of a stable relationship. Giving him *one* girlfriend misses that point; it's way stronger to me if sex is some therapy he abuses to make himself feel like a normal person. (It also helps to differentiate him from Batman, who's basically asexual.) I love and agree with everything you just said. It does widen the scope of the show in terms of story arcs, as it isn't like the comic where it's mandated that Daredevil get in one ridiculous fight per issue, even if he's just technically talking with the guy, because it's a superhero comic. There'll be an episode of the show where Matt spends the whole time fighting, then another episode where I don't think he even puts the costume on, because he's super wounded and busy with other parts of the plot. Comics are trapped in that fight requirement, and the villians have to have costumes, and the show doesn't have that. I actually burst out laughing when I saw the final costume (and surprised that Fisk didn't), but I'm sure I'll get used to it as a necessary evil. Also I was getting a little sick of Matt's old costume with the xenomorph head. The real modern bad guys of New York are overseas billionares buying up condos they never use so they can stash their money and hide it from their governments. Manhattan is turning into an international tax shelter, and it's kind of a problem for people who actually live here, so it was good to see Daredevil address it.
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Apr 29, 2015 19:55
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dj_clawson posted:The real modern bad guys of New York are overseas billionares buying up condos they never use so they can stash their money and hide it from their governments. Manhattan is turning into an international tax shelter, and it's kind of a problem for people who actually live here, so it was good to see Daredevil address it. This is also true, though to a lesser extent, of Los Angeles. It kind of sucks. Yeah, it's kind of odd that Nolan's Batman films are so conservative politically when disparity of wealth is such a visible part of the setting. Like, they portray WayneTech as run by obtuse dicks, but there's nothing intrinsically wrong with it being a giant weapons contractor. It's dickheads like Rutger Hauer loving it up; when Lucius Fox runs it, it's totally fine because he's an A+ guy. It echoes how militarized police tanks or panoptic NSA surveillance are fine as long as Batman is doing it. The entire basis for morality is unencumbered moral choice...systemic realities barely play into it. The villains are also reflective of that. They're religious extremist outsiders like Ra's al Ghul, or an anarchist like the Joker (who among other things burns a mountain of money), or an outright Socialist like Bane (who attacks the stock exchange.) They're people who used their capacity for moral choice to support the "wrong" idea. In that sense, Batman is basically a defender of entrenched capitalism. Meanwhile, Matt Murdock is a pro bono lawyer who defends disenfranchised people against corrupt corporations. The aesthetic modernism of Marcy's law firm echoes the curated spaces Fisk lives in, or the bespoke fanciness of Wesley or Leland...the true villains aren't cackling maniacs, they're snooty wine-drinking aristocrats. ...which gets weird when you think about someone like Vladimir. He's an awful guy - a drug dealer and sex trafficker - but he somehow still goes out as an anti-hero. I attribute this to his background as a poor immigrant; we're shown the meager poverty he comes from and asked to have sympathy for it. I think his "men like us" speech speaks to it: he discusses the difficult choices his circumstance forced him to make, the brutal realities of his life that he only encountered because of where he came from. It's almost appropriate that his heroic last stand is a final act of control over those circumstances..."this is not how I die." It's a decidedly Left political point, that in Daredevil's universe is ultimately lionized. (Sorry for the novel, everyone.)
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Apr 29, 2015 22:36
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Bleeding Cool is reporting that Ryan Phillipe is in talks with Marvel for "something on Netflix." Unrelated, Phillipe has a black belt in taekwondo irl.
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Apr 29, 2015 22:38
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zoux posted:Bleeding Cool is reporting that Ryan Phillipe is in talks with Marvel for "something on Netflix." drat, I didn't know he was 40.
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Apr 29, 2015 22:40
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Maybe Bullseye sniped the cop but didn't kill him because no one specifically said to kill him and he is like a genie.
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Apr 29, 2015 22:47
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Xealot posted:This is also true, though to a lesser extent, of Los Angeles. It kind of sucks. Holy poo poo, you're right. I remember the particularly hilarious review of Dark Knight Rises in the New Yorker (which felt that the movie took itself way, way too seriously) that pointed out that the movie couldn't linger too much on people rising up against the 1% in Gotham during those early scenes of Bane's occupation because after all, Bruce Wayne was one of those rich guys, with the penthouse and the mansion and whatnot, and he's the hero. I was never sold on the idea that he lost of all of his money with Wayne Enterprises (a guy like that would have a diversified portfolio, and owns his own home, which means he can borrow against it if he needs capital) but the movie felt it needed that beat of "look how much trouble Bruce Wayne is in, he's really got it tough because he tossed his butler out but forgot to ask for a set of keys first" to make him more sympathetic. DKR was also filmed during Occupy Wall Street, and did some filming there despite most of the exteriors being filmed in Chicago, so Nolan was kind of making a statement when he decided to both do that and publicize it, though when it comes down to brass tacks, he sided with the rich and powerful. Daredevil can't even afford good armor. He's basically got to trick Potter into giving it to him for free. In the comics he has some money (he owns his own apartment, which is massive, though he is often low on cash) and Foggy comes from money, a noticeable change in the TV show. The Volume 3 run did a fun plotline where Foggy's family ended up basically paying Matt's law school bill because he helped Foggy out. Netflix's Foggy is another poor kid from Hell's Kitchen. I guess the writers decided that a rich guy fighting for the rights of the poor was not the tone they were going for, and I think it was a decent move.
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Apr 29, 2015 22:49
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Now do Halle Berry's Catwoman, guys.
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Apr 29, 2015 22:52
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The Sharmat posted:Now do Halle Berry's Catwoman, guys. Well that was just a call for the FDA to monitor women's cosmetics. WHICH THEY SHOULD DO. It was "The Jungle" of its time.
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Apr 29, 2015 22:53
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But how did it handle the animal testing issue?
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Apr 29, 2015 22:55
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As I said in another thread Phillippe is fine for the role, but I was secretly hoping for Dan Stevens.
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Apr 29, 2015 22:57
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The Sharmat posted:But how did it handle the animal testing issue? Those cats were clearly fine. They were handing out superpowers for goodness sake.
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Apr 29, 2015 22:59
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Does anyone know what the song was that the blind Chinese transporter in the taxi was singing? The one where the Russians told him to shut up. Also the same question about the one Vladimir was singing before he died.
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Apr 29, 2015 23:02
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AnonSpore posted:Does anyone know what the song was that the blind Chinese transporter in the taxi was singing? The one where the Russians told him to shut up. Good question, I actually hear my SO humming the chinese song in the shower after we watched the ep. I'm curious if it has any significance.
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Apr 29, 2015 23:18
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Burning_Monk posted:Good question, I actually hear my SO humming the chinese song in the shower after we watched the ep. I'm curious if it has any significance. I'm going to guess that it's a public domain old Chinese song.
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Apr 29, 2015 23:21
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AnonSpore posted:Does anyone know what the song was that the blind Chinese transporter in the taxi was singing? The one where the Russians told him to shut up. Kangding Love Song I'm afraid I've got nothing for what Vladimir was singing.
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Apr 29, 2015 23:26
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Snak posted:Huh, I guess props for them putting that scene in the movie then... In many ways Daredevil is one of the most comics accurate movie adaptations ever. Say what you will, but that movie had tons of respect for the material. More than Man of Steel that's for drat sure.
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Apr 29, 2015 23:28
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Unmature posted:In many ways Daredevil is one of the most comics accurate movie adaptations ever. Say what you will, but that movie had tons of respect for the material. More than Man of Steel that's for drat sure. I just watched it a couple days ago (and Elektra, it's okay I'm recovering nicely). And it's true, my girlfriend even pointed out that they went more into Matt's powers and abilities than in the netflix show and showed the downside of them more too. And the costume is better if the overall plot wasn't. Pimpin' Kingpin was hilariously bad as was the Bullseye fight.
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Apr 29, 2015 23:37
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The Director's Cut is actually pretty funny. Pretty much just straight blind jokes.
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Apr 30, 2015 00:29
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Deadpool posted:As I said in another thread Phillippe is fine for the role, but I was secretly hoping for Dan Stevens. Couldn't Phillipe be being courted for Bullseye?
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Apr 30, 2015 00:29
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Gaz-L posted:Couldn't Phillipe be being courted for Bullseye? That's a possibility but based on what the guy looks like Iron Fist is simply way more likely. To say nothing of Dany Rands identity as a spoiled rich boy who learns humility and Phillipe's own performance history. NecroMonster fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Apr 30, 2015 |
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Apr 30, 2015 00:38
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The Daredevil movie actually does a lot of things right. It's a great example of the fact that doing a lot of things right doesn't automatically make for a good movie though. Because it's not a good movie. Also, I want to see an extended 30 minutes of this please. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh0nIWg7EvI X-O fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Apr 30, 2015 |
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Apr 30, 2015 00:42
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Deadpool posted:The Daredevil movie actually does a lot of things right. It's a great example of the fact that doing a lot of things right doesn't automatically make for a good movie though. Because it's not a good movie. Agreed. There's a good movie in there somewhere. The film did a good job with Bullseye, the suit, the overall style and look of it and showing how Matt's powers worked. MKD was fine as Kingpin given what he had to work with. Some of the fights and actions scenes were good. Some. Others were incredibly stupid. Affleck was surprisingly OK but not nearly as good as Cox.
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