Type-Moon Megathread: The Worst Writing and Most Heinous Misogyny

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Raenir Salazar: Nov 5, 2010; "According to Wikipedia" there is a black hole that emits zionist hawking radiation where my brain should have been

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Aumanor posted:

So where exactly do you think next episode will end? My guess is that the last thing we'll her is the final "hint" to Archer's identity ("Trace on") before it's expicitly spelt out. I wonder if the people who STILL havent figured out that Archer is Shirou (I know one such person) will at least catch on that.

It'd be amazing despite some people's best efforts to spoil it.

# ? May 1, 2015 13:40

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Stall_19: Jan 2, 2013; Prodigy of Victor von Doom

We have like 7 or 8 episodes left? I feel like they need at least two anime original episodes to fill out the season.

# ? May 3, 2015 14:31

Honest Ray: Feb 10, 2007; Your bargaining posture is highly dubious.

I mean, I'm more curious as to what Lance based abilities Enkidu would have. He doesn't have a lance or anything I recall from the story.

# ? May 3, 2015 14:57

Silver2195: Apr 4, 2012

Stall_19 posted:

We have like 7 or 8 episodes left? I feel like they need at least two anime original episodes to fill out the season.

I basically agree, but a full episode of Archer's backstory would make sense.

# ? May 3, 2015 18:58

Nate RFB: Jan 17, 2005; Clapping Larry

I don't think we're actually going to get the confrontation in the castle next episode, so probably two for that with the reveal at the end of the second. Third ep for the fight itself, four the prep to fight Gil, maybe two more after that for the Assassin and Gil fights? And one more for the ending.

# ? May 3, 2015 19:07

Endorph: Jul 22, 2009

Honest Ray posted:

I mean, I'm more curious as to what Lance based abilities Enkidu would have. He doesn't have a lance or anything I recall from the story.

Fate/Strange Fake goes with the idea that since he was made from clay, he can reform himself as needed - including a spear.

# ? May 3, 2015 22:25

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Nate RFB posted:

I don't think we're actually going to get the confrontation in the castle next episode, so probably two for that with the reveal at the end of the second. Third ep for the fight itself, four the prep to fight Gil, maybe two more after that for the Assassin and Gil fights? And one more for the ending.

Well, we're definitely getting the title drop next episode, then probably a setup episode where Rin monologues about Archer's backstory via what she's seen and figured out from her dreams and the leadup to the castle fight. One episode for the fight, one for Lancer's rescue of Rin and everything involving the scene in the basement, possibly before the fight itself. Then one episode for the aftermath plus leadup to the last day, prepping for the Gil fight. One to do the Gil Shirou fight, one with Rin and Saber dealing with the Lesser Grail, and then an aftermath episode to close it out? I dunno.

# ? May 4, 2015 05:09

Compendium: Jun 18, 2013; M-E-J-E-D

Endorph posted:

Fate/Strange Fake goes with the idea that since he was made from clay, he can reform himself as needed - including a spear.

From what I read on Strange Fake, Gilgamesh, Enkidu, and maybe Assassin are the most interesting Servants. The rest, the ball kind of drops on because out of all the mythical figures and heroes the guy could have made up, they're all mostly vague and not notable to me which is disappointing.

# ? May 4, 2015 05:40

Silver2195: Apr 4, 2012

Compendium posted:

From what I read on Strange Fake, Gilgamesh, Enkidu, and maybe Assassin are the most interesting Servants. The rest, the ball kind of drops on because out of all the mythical figures and heroes the guy could have made up, they're all mostly vague and not notable to me which is disappointing.

I think they're all deliberately open-ended in terms of powers. Gilgamesh has every Noble Phantasm from Earth that's a physical object (even though he can't fully use most of them), Unspoken Hassan has every version of Zabaniya, Enkidu can turn his body into a wide variety of objects that can match Gil's Noble Phantasms, the Player can temporarily summon any Servant, Jack can turn into anyone or anything ever suspected of being Jack the Ripper, Dumas can make copies of most Noble Phantasm that are physical objects (given sufficient time), and I have no idea what Pale Rider does.

In terms of identities, I agree that Dumas was a somewhat disappointing choice (I don't really like people who never used magecraft when they were alive as Casters), and Pale Rider doesn't really make sense as a Heroic Spirit.

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# ? May 4, 2015 06:02

tweet my meat: Oct 2, 2013; yospos

Wasn't there a servant in one of the spinoffs that was insane in his life in a way that made him come off as sane and lucid when summoned as berserker?

# ? May 4, 2015 06:05

Silver2195: Apr 4, 2012

Sergeant_Crunch posted:

Wasn't there a servant in one of the spinoffs that was insane in his life in a way that made him come off as sane and lucid when summoned as berserker?

That was Strange Fake!Jack, actually. It doesn't really make sense, since Jack had to have been lucid enough to remain undetected.

# ? May 4, 2015 06:09

Raenir Salazar: Nov 5, 2010; "According to Wikipedia" there is a black hole that emits zionist hawking radiation where my brain should have been

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Honest Ray posted:

I mean, I'm more curious as to what Lance based abilities Enkidu would have. He doesn't have a lance or anything I recall from the story.

It's also personality. "Lancers" are also fitting the characterization trope and Enkidu is thus the oldest lancer! :eng101:

# ? May 4, 2015 06:13

Compendium: Jun 18, 2013; M-E-J-E-D

Silver2195 posted:

In terms of identities, I agree that Dumas was a somewhat disappointing choice (I don't really like people who never used magecraft when they were alive as Casters), and Pale Rider doesn't really make sense as a Heroic Spirit.

I guess the open-ended powers thing might mean interesting battles, but the thing is that I like Servants because there's a lot of potential to make up interesting personalities, not just crazy Nasu-power BS. I would have loved to see other Master/Servant relationships because already Gil and Tine look like they're shaping up to having an interesting dynamic (but then again, Gil is always the life of the party no matter what Master he has)

# ? May 4, 2015 06:17

Raenir Salazar: Nov 5, 2010; "According to Wikipedia" there is a black hole that emits zionist hawking radiation where my brain should have been

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Watching Age of Ultron and a question occurred to me, could Shirou both project and wield Thor's Hammer assuming it was technically a Noble Phantasm for cross over purposes?

From what I seem to recall regarding HF:

1) Shirou might not actually be able to wield Berserker's Axe-Sword without Archer's Arm; so its probably that there are NP's he simply can use even if he could project them.

2) On the other hand the Hammer probably can be lifted if Shirou were "sufficiently worthy", which is possible that he beats even Cpt. America for selfless altruism, but this is one of those 100% plot things that Nasu also pull's out, but who knows, might be interesting to talk about but I'm not familiar with the comics so I can't judge what the criteria canonically is.

3) Shirou would get the skills but would probably kill him to use? Unless he can Strengthen his body?

Compendium posted:

I guess the open-ended powers thing might mean interesting battles, but the thing is that I like Servants because there's a lot of potential to make up interesting personalities, not just crazy Nasu-power BS. I would have loved to see other Master/Servant relationships because already Gil and Tine look like they're shaping up to having an interesting dynamic (but then again, Gil is always the life of the party no matter what Master he has)

The bit in the LN for F/Z about Alexander going out of his way to pick up a copy of the Iliad is I think a pretty solid example as to how well this is written generally in the FSN VN in general.

# ? May 4, 2015 19:07

Cake Attack: Mar 26, 2010

could tohno shiki kill avengers?

# ? May 4, 2015 19:11

Effectronica: May 31, 2011; Fallen Rib

Raenir Salazar posted:

Watching Age of Ultron and a question occurred to me, could Shirou both project and wield Thor's Hammer assuming it was technically a Noble Phantasm for cross over purposes?

From what I seem to recall regarding HF:

1) Shirou might not actually be able to wield Berserker's Axe-Sword without Archer's Arm; so its probably that there are NP's he simply can use even if he could project them.

2) On the other hand the Hammer probably can be lifted if Shirou were "sufficiently worthy", which is possible that he beats even Cpt. America for selfless altruism, but this is one of those 100% plot things that Nasu also pull's out, but who knows, might be interesting to talk about but I'm not familiar with the comics so I can't judge what the criteria canonically is.

3) Shirou would get the skills but would probably kill him to use? Unless he can Strengthen his body?

The bit in the LN for F/Z about Alexander going out of his way to pick up a copy of the Iliad is I think a pretty solid example as to how well this is written generally in the FSN VN in general.

Mjolnir is a divine mystery, so it can't be traced. Sorry.

# ? May 4, 2015 19:16

Compendium: Jun 18, 2013; M-E-J-E-D

Mjolnir would also think that Shirou has issues.

# ? May 4, 2015 19:18

Raenir Salazar: Nov 5, 2010; "According to Wikipedia" there is a black hole that emits zionist hawking radiation where my brain should have been

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Effectronica posted:

Mjolnir is a divine mystery, so it can't be traced. Sorry.

This isn't true on two levels, Mjolnir was forged by Dwarves, as was Gungnir and we know Shirou can trace Gungnir because Archer likely could. Secondly, even 'divine' weapons can be traced under specific circumstances (Caliburn), throughout the entirety of FSN only Ea could Shirou absolutely not trace because he couldn't even do more than a basic reading.

# ? May 4, 2015 19:24

Ibram Gaunt: Jul 22, 2009

Gas

# ? May 4, 2015 19:27

Nate RFB: Jan 17, 2005; Clapping Larry

The thing with Ea was something like because it was made from a meteorite and thus doesn't feature any materials from Earth.

# ? May 4, 2015 19:31

Raenir Salazar: Nov 5, 2010; "According to Wikipedia" there is a black hole that emits zionist hawking radiation where my brain should have been

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