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Maxmaps posted:I am printing and framing that post, Otacon.  Congrats on the Washington Post review!
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May 6, 2015 16:27
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haveblue posted:Plant a flag with his name on it at the space center, despair as the space center becomes crowded with flags over the coming weeks. It actually came as a surprise. I had just launched a rocket straight up with four atmospheric sensors to harvest quick science off them and during descent the pod must have veered slightly to the side because the parachute got destroyed in re-entry. Bye Jeb. I didn't even go over 94km, but maybe I shouldn't have gone straight up.
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May 6, 2015 16:29
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toplitzin posted:Has anyone else noticed when using MechJeb for a Mun transfer, it wigs the gently caress out when you get to approach after the hoffman transfer? The Mun unsets itself as a target and won't accept being set so you cant use the "match velocity" or "get closer" and even manually making maneuver nodes is tricksy/not guaranteed to work with maneuver planner. Nope, it works just fine for me but it sounds like you're using the rendezvous planner to do this right? You want to just be using the maneuver planner: select Hohmann transfer, tweak it a touch lower so it has a Pe above the surface to the east of the Mun then execute. You can use 'fine tune closest approach' if it's still not to your liking. The Mun will not be selectable as a target once you are in it's SoI, make all your course adjustments in Kerbins SoI where it's cheaper. Otacon posted:How would you even do this, aside from scripting? That seems like a pretty long stretch of something to be annoyed about. I've seen a Scott Manley video where he tested (I think SmartParts?) that included a remote-control flight where he launched 3 jets welded together with cubic frames from off of the runway, separated the welded parts immediately after take-off, and the two "ghost" jets responded to his controls and did a pseudo-flying-in-formation sorta thing. I've also seen a recent video of the Dark Multiplayer that might be what you're looking for, too. A near perfect summary of what, 75% of the last few dozen pages? 
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Ratzap posted:Nope, it works just fine for me but it sounds like you're using the rendezvous planner to do this right? You want to just be using the maneuver planner: select Hohmann transfer, tweak it a touch lower so it has a Pe above the surface to the east of the Mun then execute. You can use 'fine tune closest approach' if it's still not to your liking. The Mun will not be selectable as a target once you are in it's SoI, make all your course adjustments in Kerbins SoI where it's cheaper. Either the planner or the full on automated rendezvous autopilot. It craps out as soon as it hits the Mun SoI.
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Demiurge4 posted:
All kerbals die. Not every kerbal truly lives.
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revdrkevind posted:To be fair, are you doing this in other games? Yeah, I've been doing this for a while in flight sims. It's not that uncommon a feature. You can get a tanker to fly in a straight line just by using SAS. The vehicle switching is just a mild annoyance really, caused by what I'm assuming is a safeguard put in to prevent you from switching vehicles whilst they're in atmosphere. The ghetto solution I've applied is launching the smaller plane using the launch pad, and the tanker on the runway. The smaller plane goes backwards, towards the VAB, and uses the ramps to gain altitude. I switch to the smaller plane after taking off using the tanker and flying immediately above the smaller plane. To actually correct either plane's course, I need to get both planes into formation with 300m of eachother. Of course, this completely makes the whole thing pointless. Which is why I put a third plane on the island with the runway. The  way of working around issues.
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Otacon posted:Still, this question makes me imagine the constant goalpost moving that Squad has had to put up with for years now.  aerodynamics are soupy and unrealistic NEW AERO BABY new aerodynamics are too haaaaaard
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Hmm, how do the cool people plot intercepts? Once I'm in a stable orbit with one body, I basically just find the other body and drag the pro/retro markers on a maneuver node in that orbit until they're roughly intersecting the body I'm trying to fly to, then I drag that node around my orbit until it freaks out and switches from oval to arc, at which point I check if I'm interacting with the target's gravity.
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May 6, 2015 16:52
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toplitzin posted:Either the planner or the full on automated rendezvous autopilot. It craps out as soon as it hits the Mun SoI. Once you're in the SOI of a body you can't select it as a target. If you want to approach closer at that point you would use 'Adjust Periapsis'. And then to enter orbit you would plot a circularization burn at periapsis.
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darnon posted:Once you're in the SOI of a body you can't select it as a target. If you want to approach closer at that point you would use 'Adjust Periapsis'. problem is Once I enter the SOI, the orbit looks like this:  So I have to plan a maneuver node somewhere around the X before I bomb the Mun with my Kerbals. Do I need to be disabling the auto-pilot and make a new maneuver node just before I enter Mun SoI?
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:Yeah, I've been doing this for a while in flight sims. It's not that uncommon a feature. Here's three videos, queued up to the correct times, that you should watch for ideas. Scott Manley's Low Tech Automation with Smart Parts ArchaicAlibi's v23.5 Floating Catamaran Ultralight Carrier Mazack00 reviews Dark Multiplayer Mod Second video is very impressive for other reasons, but may give you ideas. Cheers. Otacon fucked around with this message at 17:09 on May 6, 2015 |
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May 6, 2015 17:04
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toplitzin posted:Do I need to be disabling the auto-pilot and make a new maneuver node just before I enter Mun SoI? The further back you do it the less dv it will cost. You can do it right after the transmunar injection burn finishes if you want.
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Omi no Kami posted:Hmm, how do the cool people plot intercepts? Once I'm in a stable orbit with one body, I basically just find the other body and drag the pro/retro markers on a maneuver node in that orbit until they're roughly intersecting the body I'm trying to fly to, then I drag that node around my orbit until it freaks out and switches from oval to arc, at which point I check if I'm interacting with the target's gravity. I'm not cool but if my orbit's inclination matches the target's, that's what I do. If the inclinations don't match, I make a maneuver node to intercept its orbit at one of the nodes, then press the "next time around orbit" button until there's a near approach. Then I fine tune the maneuver node to actually get an intercept. toplitzin posted:problem is Once I enter the SOI, the orbit looks like this: It's most fuel efficient to do your fine adjustments really early (like right after your intercept burn) but making a maneuver node after you've entered the Mun SoI is fine will only waste a little. To fix this orbit you'd want to burn radially (or anti-radially, depending on which way the moon is spinning).
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May 6, 2015 17:07
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Speaking of orbital manouvers, is there a good tutorial somewhere on how to set up a free-return trajectory? Last time I tried it took me 500m/s to bring my periapsis back into Kerbin's atmosphere from the Mun.
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May 6, 2015 17:09
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So did 1.0 do away with pea soup for a few days? I never got to play it, was it beautiful?
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May 6, 2015 17:16
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esquilax posted:I'm not cool but if my orbit's inclination matches the target's, that's what I do. How do i get it to show me the predicted orbit inside the SoI? Usually when doing any maneuver nodes for intercept the pathing stops once I'm inside the approach window, and won't change until you enter the SoI, or am I dumb and missing something obvious?
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May 6, 2015 17:22
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toplitzin posted:How do i get it to show me the predicted orbit inside the SoI? Usually when doing any maneuver nodes for intercept the pathing stops once I'm inside the approach window, and won't change until you enter the SoI, or am I dumb and missing something obvious? It is not obvious at all, but once you have your encounter setup click on the target planet/moon and press the focus button. At this point it will center you on the planet and show your expected path. You can then tweak your maneuver node and watch how it effects your PE and inclination.
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maniacdevnull posted:All kerbals die. Not every kerbal truly lives. Get busy flyin' or get busy dyin'
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May 6, 2015 17:32
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esquilax posted:burn radially (or anti-radially, depending on which way the moon is spinning). It would always be radially. The spin of the moon has nothing to do with it. Those markers on the nav ball are determined by the orbit alone.
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May 6, 2015 17:41
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Thesoro posted:this is too perfect I'm with you, but too many times I've seen people on these forums assume that all complainers are the same group and marvel at their contradictory complaints. Can we acknowledge that, yes, every change is going to have a unique and mostly separate group of detractors and move on, please?
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May 6, 2015 17:43
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eth0.n posted:It would always be radially. The spin of the moon has nothing to do with it. Those markers on the nav ball are determined by the orbit alone. If you're intercepting the wrong (inefficient for landing) side, burning antiradially moves your orbit into the right direction. After you burn enough to pass the center, radial/antiradial switch directions and you should continue in the same direction (which was antiradial, and is now radial). In terms of a given maneuver, this is described as a large burn antiradially.
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esquilax posted:If you're intercepting the wrong (inefficient for landing) side, burning antiradially moves your orbit into the right direction. After you burn enough to pass the center, radial/antiradial switch directions and you should continue in the same direction (which was antiradial, and is now radial). In terms of a given maneuver, this is described as a large burn antiradially. OK, that makes sense. Although for the Mun, the difference is only 18 m/s landing from a retrograde orbit vs prograde. There's a decent chance flipping orbit direction isn't worthwhile.
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toplitzin posted:problem is Once I enter the SOI, the orbit looks like this: Assuming that's a top-down view: You want to either go more to the left to just avoid crashing into it, or to the right to make it a 'normal' counter-clockwise orbit. For going left, turn your navball thingie towards 270 degrees, or 90 degrees for going right. It's really easy to do those adjustments using just the navball, you don't need maneuver nodes. Doing them right after you entered the SOI is probably the easiest, you get immediate feedback and it doesn't take a lot of energy because you're still pretty far out. (Edit: you can also point at 0 degrees for going more 'up' and 180 degrees for going 'down'. Useful for getting the eccentricity down and for getting in the same plane as something else in the ascending and descending nodes.) uXs fucked around with this message at 18:05 on May 6, 2015 |
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eth0.n posted:OK, that makes sense. Although for the Mun, the difference is only 18 m/s landing from a retrograde orbit vs prograde. There's a decent chance flipping orbit direction isn't worthwhile. It's not a lot, but it's a good habit to get into. Also, it's my understanding that your burn to get into orbit is easier if you pass behind the planet (gravity speeds you up along Mun's orbit) versus passing in front of the planet (gravity slows you down along Mun's orbit). I'm not sure how to quantify that amount though or if it's actually correct for one body. esquilax fucked around with this message at 18:17 on May 6, 2015 |
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:It really annoys me that you cannot take off two planes at once. For example, a refuelling aircraft flies out for roughly an hour and then you try to launch a smaller plane to go somewhere else. But I guess that can be solved via launching the refuelling plane from orbit. But then you'll have to be close enough to switch, inserting another layer of artificial difficulty. KSP is great for space, not so much for in-atmosphere shenanigans.  e: soundly beaten Splicer fucked around with this message at 18:20 on May 6, 2015 |
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With their high crash tolerance, is there any reason NOT to use modular girders as landing struts? Also, will sticking the flat parachute types on the sides of a lander still allow you to land upright? (IE, if the lander is an upright cylinder with a pod on the top that has a 'chute, and I stick some of the flat chutes on the sides, will it still land right-side up?)
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Peas and Rice posted:With their high crash tolerance, is there any reason NOT to use modular girders as landing struts? And the second depends entirely on whether the CoM is above or below the pivot point where the parachutes connect. Also, for the guy having trouble with Mun intercepts, you can use MechJeb's manoeuvre planner for a hohmann transfer, but then tweak it manually before you execute so that you can have your periapsis about where you want it, on either side of the Mun, in one burn.
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esquilax posted:Also, it's my understanding that your burn to get into orbit is easier if you pass behind the planet (gravity speeds you up along Mun's orbit) versus passing in front of the planet (gravity slows you down along Mun's orbit). I'm not sure how to quantify that amount though or if it's actually correct for one body. That might be true for real-world n-body physics (I'm not sure either way), but for KSP's patched conics physics, this can't be true. The physics within a given SOI are unaffected by that SOI's movement relative to anything outside it.
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Can someone explain how the mobile processing lab works now? Also where are fairings? I've got like 80% of the tech tree and haven't seen them yet.
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GuardianOfAsgaard posted:Can someone explain how the mobile processing lab works now? Also where are fairings? I've got like 80% of the tech tree and haven't seen them yet. They're in there somewhere, I think they show up in the Aerospace section. I've only just broken through the 300 science barrier and I have the 1m and 2.5m variants already.
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Peas and Rice posted:With their high crash tolerance, is there any reason NOT to use modular girders as landing struts?
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haveblue posted:They're in there somewhere, I think they show up in the Aerospace section. I've only just broken through the 300 science barrier and I have the 1m and 2.5m variants already. Ah that makes sense, I've basically ignored any nodes that are spaceplane type stuff. Cheers!
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GuardianOfAsgaard posted:Can someone explain how the mobile processing lab works now? Also where are fairings? I've got like 80% of the tech tree and haven't seen them yet. When you have Science part results in a vessel with an MPL, you get an additional option to process the results for Data. More valuable results give more Data. You keep the original results, and a given lab can only process a single result type for a given biome/location once. That Data goes into the MPL, and if you have a Scientist with at least one star, you can conduct research on it, slowly turning it into Science. The MPL can store up to 500 Data for processing, and you research faster the more Data you have. It can also store up to 500 Science before needing to transmit it, using an antenna. Conversion ratios seem to depend on where the MPL is, and whether it's landed, in a low orbit, or a high orbit, but I can't give details here. I do know that an MPL on Minmus can give pretty enormous amounts of Science (at least a few thousand per biome). Fairings are with the plane parts, along the middle of the tree. Which makes sense thematically, but is kind of silly gameplay-wise. Means you can't practically choose to focus on rockets instead of planes.
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eth0.n posted:That might be true for real-world n-body physics (I'm not sure either way), but for KSP's patched conics physics, this can't be true. The physics within a given SOI are unaffected by that SOI's movement relative to anything outside it.
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GuardianOfAsgaard posted:Can someone explain how the mobile processing lab works now? Also where are fairings? I've got like 80% of the tech tree and haven't seen them yet. There's a decent write up on Reddit.
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Flagrant Abuse posted:It actually is true, though, that's why doing a flyby of the Mun in front of it will put you in a free-return trajectory and doing a flyby behind it will often eject you into interplanetary space, is because flying in front of or behind it affects your velocity in different ways even in a 2-body system like KSP. It can affect your velocity relative to Kerbin, and that's what you observe here, but if you want to orbit the Mun, it's velocity relative to the Mun that counts. At a given periapsis and speed-at-periapsis, the dV to enter orbit around the Mun is exactly the same whether you're moving prograde or retrograde relative to the Mun's orbit around Kerbin, because while you're in the SOI, that motion has no bearing on physics.
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Flagrant Abuse posted:Also, for the guy having trouble with Mun intercepts, you can use MechJeb's manoeuvre planner for a hohmann transfer, but then tweak it manually before you execute so that you can have your periapsis about where you want it, on either side of the Mun, in one burn. PreciseNode is great for this, too.
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