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quote:The city confirmed the questions were on the exam, but declined to discuss any specifics, and Chancellor Dennis Walcott directed questions to the state. This seems like a good system that will serve you well.
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Why do we even bother sending kids to school anyway? It's not like 99% of them learn anything or need to know jack poo poo besides where to score drugs or how to work a pictogram cash register.
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May 6, 2015 17:29
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The search shouldn't be for the perfect system, but a working one. Politics, like life, is a series of compromises. You can't always get what you want, let alone everything you want. A flawed system that actually works is much better than an untested, theoretically perfect system that might not.
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May 6, 2015 17:30
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Funniest part of the pineapple test question, is the charters repeating 'well, you know what I mean', which lets the characters themselves in a test question mercilessly mock all the students sitting there trying to answer the question, having no loving idea what so ever what any of it means. Well played test writers, well played.
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May 6, 2015 17:45
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The talking pineapple is no mystery to anyone who took French Immersion in Ontario in the 90s. Téléfrançais! Téléfrançais!
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May 6, 2015 18:32
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God I would be fascinated to know what the reason the animals ate the pineapple was. If it's because they were hungry that is beyond unfair.
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May 6, 2015 18:49
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Standardized testing on its own isn't really a bad thing. Stuff like Common Core ensures that curriculums are consistent between states and that kids at a certain level in one state are actually at the same level as kids from another state. Obviously the sheer quantity of tests has increased far beyond what is needed to do that. It's obvious that they have issues maintaining the quality and accuracy of them as well. They're definitely not without flaws, but throwing the whole thing under the bus is kind of crazy. If a kid went to school in Louisiana and in their Advanced Level Bio course was taught that evolution was bullshit, that course credit isn't worth anything if they transferred to a school in New York and tried to get into AP level Bio. There is a real discrepancy between standards in different states. Even if the current tests and curriculum aren't getting the job done, there still needs to be something.
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May 6, 2015 18:55
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Lord, I'm glad that I'm internet old at this point. I only had to take 3 or 4 of these things over the years. I was also awesome at testing, and they actually sent you your answers/questions afterwards and I even got a single question repealed because of it's retarded non-specificity. I suspect that this was more the OCD of my parents' being pissed about the question, but I did get 10 or 20 points added to my Math SAT. It sounds like that is basically impossible now. On the other hand, I thought the whole testing segment was not very well done, needed more specific examples, and was a little boring, and please John, PLEASE, stop dressing up people in foam costumes for every event. You can't have a mascot for every cause. It's just stupid.
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May 6, 2015 19:05
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DoggPickle posted:You can't have a mascot for every cause. It's just stupid. You made Jeff the Diseased Lung cry 
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May 6, 2015 19:08
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kater posted:God I would be fascinated to know what the reason the animals ate the pineapple was. If it's because they were hungry that is beyond unfair. Well you know 2 hours did pass, it's right there in the text. Sure they were also annoyed with the pineapple, but as you surely must know, hunger causes animals to seek out and consume food whereas annoyance does not. Check. Also the owl clearly was not the wisest, because it was a part of the set of animals who all agreed to cheer for the pineapple, thus this story cleverly parodies owls being seen as particularly wise going all the way back to the ancient Greeks. The sleeves comment was just the owl being a smartass, which is a way to flippantly sound wise without actually leading to any insight or understanding, and thus not actually being wise. Meanwhile the hare was correct about everything it said and used common sense, factual knowledge and understanding to support its positions. Mate. Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 19:18 on May 6, 2015 |
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May 6, 2015 19:16
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Orange Devil posted:Also the owl clearly was not the wisest, because it was a part of the set of animals who all agreed to cheer for the pineapple, thus this story cleverly parodies owls being seen as particularly wise going all the way back to the ancient Greeks. The sleeves comment was just the owl being a smartass, which is a way to flippantly sound wise without actually leading to any insight or understanding, and thus not actually being wise. Meanwhile the hare was correct about everything it said and used common sense, factual knowledge and understanding to support its positions. Nah, Pineapples clearly the smartest. Rather than spend weeks rotting painfully, it manages to organizes itself, through manipulation, a quick and relatively painless death. Whole story was just one big piece pro-euthanasia propaganda.
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May 6, 2015 19:33
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dr_rat posted:Nah, Pineapples clearly the smartest. Rather than spend weeks rotting painfully, it manages to organizes itself, through manipulation, a quick and relatively painless death. Nope, the owl actually poisoned the pineapple after spending it's life developing a tolerance to it. Thus making himself bird king of the the jungle.
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TLG James posted:Nope, the owl actually poisoned the pineapple after spending it's life developing a tolerance to it. Thus making himself bird king of the the jungle. The Pineapple and the Hare. By George R.R. Martin
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Orange Devil posted:The Pineapple and the Hare. AKA everybody dies?? 
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DoggPickle posted:AKA everybody dies?? 3000 pages of food porn about the pineapple and pineapplecakes and then it ends in a wet fart.
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IRQ posted:3000 pages of food porn about the pineapple and pineapplecakes and then it ends in a wet fart. None of GRRM's projects ever end. He just keeps putting off continuing them while he gets distracted with other poo poo.
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May 6, 2015 21:00
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Orange Devil posted:The Pineapple-Shaped Man.
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smg77 posted:None of GRRM's projects ever end. He just keeps putting off continuing them while he gets distracted with other poo poo. Oh I'm quire sure ASOIAF is as finished as it's ever going to be by him.
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May 6, 2015 21:34
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Demiurge4 posted:I'd be interested to know what other options these schools have. And if Pearson actually represents the best on the market right now. I assume anyone offering tests have to be licensed. If there's only one option and everyone else is worse there's not much a school can do to pressure their provider, because they are legally required to buy them. There's the classic Iowa tests. They may not meet every state's requirements (especially if the requirements are written to a vendor/lobbyist's specification), but they're pretty widely used.
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Emerson Cod posted:Standardized testing on its own isn't really a bad thing. Stuff like Common Core ensures that curriculums are consistent between states and that kids at a certain level in one state are actually at the same level as kids from another state. Obviously the sheer quantity of tests has increased far beyond what is needed to do that. It's obvious that they have issues maintaining the quality and accuracy of them as well. They're definitely not without flaws, but throwing the whole thing under the bus is kind of crazy. I agree that states should be working together to develop the best possible standards nationwide and avoid wasting effort going in 50 different directions, but these tests seem to get thrown out and completely rewritten every four years when new politicians come into power and need to show they're serious about education. That means new textbooks (maybe), new teaching methods, and new standards teachers' and schools' survival are being judged on.
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I teach reading skills for a national tutoring company. Our curriculum changes depending on what parents want, so there's been some shifting to align with general common core standards. but in terms of plot, here's where kids are at... For entering 2nd graders, we go over stories that have a "beginning, middle, and end". The very basics of ordering events in a timeline, basically. For entering 3rd graders, we start the very basics of understanding characters and what their goals are. A character says "I want to hunt dinosaurs!" and I ask the kids "what does the character want?" For entering 4th and 5th graders, there's a big jump up to children's novels where stories now have a book-length plot. We also start talking about setting and meaning. Comprehension is so, so tough to teach. Its not something that comes naturally to most kids and has to be taught - almost separately from raw reading skills. That hare story is pure parody and playing with conventions... I doubt half of my junior high kids would understand what those questions are trying to get at. And I teach in Southern California, with kids all across the economic spectrum.
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The first thing to know about those international rankings is that, like so many things in US society, our educational disparity is loving huge. If you take the top percentile of schools and the bottom percentile of schools in, say, Finland, the difference will not be that great. The top 1% of schools in the US is in a different league from the bottom 1%. Our best schools are going to be near the top of international rankings, but our average is abysmal. So we don't really need to reform the entire education system, we just need to find a way to improve our worst schools. (Giant clue: find a way to fix wealth disparity and you'll go a long way to fixing educational disparity)
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Family Values posted:So we don't really need to reform the entire education system, we just need to find a way to improve our worst schools. (Giant clue: find a way to fix wealth disparity and you'll go a long way to fixing educational disparity) So if we make the top 1% poorer, without changing anything about bottom 20%, the bottom 20% will become magically smarter? Makes sense.
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Irish Joe posted:So if we make the top 1% poorer, without changing anything about bottom 20%, the bottom 20% will become magically smarter? I'm glad you agree.
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Irish Joe posted:So if we make the top 1% poorer, without changing anything about bottom 20%, the bottom 20% will become magically smarter? The funny thing is that this is 80% correct. If the bottom 20% have the increased resources to do things like provide a stable household with food, secure and safe lodging, and a positive family environment, then the bottom 20% is going to loving skyrocket in terms of education. Strobe fucked around with this message at 16:38 on May 8, 2015 |
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May 7, 2015 01:45
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Guys stop talking about root causes of the problems. You are ignoring all the cool bandaids we can make money with. Like prisons! And lifetime wage slaves!
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I'm excited to see what John says about the bloodbath that has been the UK general election. I doubt he'll use the main bit of the show to talk about it but I'm sure he'll mention it at the start. I hope he mentions this image because it's really funny in an infuriating kind of way:
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UrbicaMortis posted:I'm excited to see what John says about the bloodbath that has been the UK general election. I doubt he'll use the main bit of the show to talk about it but I'm sure he'll mention it at the start. I hope he mentions this image because it's really funny in an infuriating kind of way: You can expect him to talk about it a bunch on this weeks Bugle if it comes out (gently caress you Chris)
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Irish Joe posted:So if we make the top 1% poorer, without changing anything about bottom 20%, the bottom 20% will become magically smarter? The implicit racism really makes this post, especially because the other guy completely missed it and in fact agreed. Bravo, Joe.  But yes, not tying school funding to local property taxes would go a long way towards making the bottom 20% better educated - they would, of course, remain as smart as anyone.
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I did miss the implicit racism. Whoops. Let me go back and change absolutely nothing about my post. Actually no I will because you're absolutely right on the difference between education and intelligence, and that's more like 80%. Strobe fucked around with this message at 16:37 on May 8, 2015 |
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May 8, 2015 16:35
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Irish Joe posted:You could, theoretically, open it to the same bidding process as all other govt contracts Do you honestly think major government contracting is remotely useful for anything beyond padding the political Masters donors pocket books?
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sbaldrick posted:Do you honestly think major government contracting is remotely useful for anything beyond padding the political Masters donors pocket books? Not at all, but the problem is that if we work under the assumption that the government is irredeemably corrupt and seeking solutions through corrupt organizations is futile, then there is no possible solution. At that point we might as well just maintain the status quo. Any change, even a 100% government run testing system, has to be run through a corrupt and damaged system. But as long as we get the solution we want, that shouldn't ultimately matter.
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Irish Joe posted:the problem is that if we work under the assumption that the government is irredeemably corrupt and seeking solutions through corrupt organizations is futile Ummmmm. Uhhhhhhhhhhh ummmmmmmmmmmmmm Is there a way, you know this is just a chance. Ummmm is there a chance, that like you know.... That we could like, not assume that the government is irredeemably corrupt and then come up with a solution not using that assumption?
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Why do you all keep taking irish joe seriously?
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Veskit posted:That we could like, not assume that the government is irredeemably corrupt and then come up with a solution not using that assumption? Well, it takes two to tango. Removing corporate interests from the equation doesn't do anything about the politician who is ready, willing and able to compromise his office for a little payola. You can't eliminate corruption in government (hence, the constitution) and, even if you could, we're butting up against the practicality issue again. Solutions to the problem of school testing standard can't involve reforming the government from top to bottom because that's just not realistic.
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Irish Joe posted:Well, it takes two to tango. Removing corporate interests from the equation doesn't do anything about the politician who is ready, willing and able to compromise his office for a little payola. You can't eliminate corruption in government (hence, the constitution) and, even if you could, we're butting up against the practicality issue again. Solutions to the problem of school testing standard can't involve reforming the government from top to bottom because that's just not realistic. You don't even have a bad opinion to contribute how dumb. To add something to the conversation, I hope the UK elections are in this week next week and or Bernie sanders. The elections because I don't know what the gently caress any of that is about because i don't follow it, and I just like Bernie and he's neat. Though given the time of year has there been a real weather expose? poo poo is crazy everywhere. I know there was one on climate control but weather would be cool.
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Veskit posted:To add something to the conversation, I hope the UK elections are in this week next week and or Bernie sanders. The elections because I don't know what the gently caress any of that is about because i don't follow it, and I just like Bernie and he's neat. Though given the time of year has there been a real weather expose? poo poo is crazy everywhere. I know there was one on climate control but weather would be cool. I hope John takes on airplane peanuts next. That poo poo's nuts.
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Irish Joe posted:I hope John takes on airplane peanuts next. That poo poo's nuts. Exactly Joe, he'll talk about allergies!!!!!!!!!!!
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This week's episode would be a perfect time to delve into how hosed up democratic elections (or the press) are these days. But instead, he'll probably mention it at the top of the show and then pivot to discussing... con men or faulty mechanics or some other wanky obvious target. Any hope of the bugle maybe being the place to find Oliver talking about the Uk election?
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