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El Jebus posted:Ok, I would eat Vaggis. I eat vaggis at every opportunity.
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well-prepared vaggis is a delicacy. the mouthfeel is exquisite
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Inconsequential of fakemeatchat, I wanted to share with people that would appreciate this: I am in Paris and just ate so goddamn much Mimolette vieille, ~*~illegal in the US~*~ cause of bugs or whatever. Bugs are delicious.
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Mr. Wookums posted:Also the genealogy of dishes gets all sorts of hosed up when say haggis can even be advertised as vegetarian. Make up new words like Vaggis. I withdraw Yes, my hatred for these products is multilayered. Like an onion. Which is an actual vegetable, not some monstrosity made from bean juice and recycled tetra packs.
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May 7, 2015 23:48
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Can we at least agree that this scene from The Wire series 2 (Omar testifies ) is awesome? http://youtu.be/oYj7q_by_2E
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May 7, 2015 23:50
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I would sooner give up a kidney, finger, eyeball, or foot than cheese cheese owns and anyone who rejects it for reasons besides health are subhuman monsters, as unappreciative of human advancement and mankind's achievements as the simple minded neanderthals our species conquered so long ago before founding our cultures atop their bones. those who would deny cheese must be reeducated or cleansed wheez the roux fucked around with this message at 01:17 on May 8, 2015 |
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wheez the roux posted:I would sooner give up a kidney, finger, eyeball, or foot than cheese I've tried and failed for years to put my feelings about cheese into words, and somehow you've stolen them from the dark crevices of my mind and writ them across the something awful dot com forums. The only thing that would upset me more than my doctor telling me I can't have cheese would be my doctor telling me I can't have booze.
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Fake meat products are the reason why so many people back away from something delicious when you describe it as "vegetarian." The same people will try it if you refer to it as a "vegetable dish" instead. It doesn't matter how they taste. They're always going to be considered a lovely substitute.
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I like a lot of substitutes, too, but I'm not going to pretend they are the same.
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wheez the roux posted:well-prepared vaggis is a delicacy. the mouthfeel is exquisite Coincidentally, pr0k's mom is named Vaggis.
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wheez the roux posted:I would sooner give up a kidney, finger, eyeball, or foot than cheese  I can't eat cheese. I dream about it, though.
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bartolimu posted:I will answer your question with a hyperbolic comparison: qft
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EAT THE EGGS RICOLA posted:I mean, converting everyone to vegetarianism or vegan ism would probably gently caress up the earth a bit less sooo ya we could all eat pints and pints of fresh organic out of season fruit produced in second world nations by migrant workers shipped on trucks from 1200 miles away that took 3248328943492 liters of water to produce and would literally bankrupt anyone an average american wage - in particular the dude earning $8.50/hr unloading the pallets and the cashier ringing you up at walmart, gently caress the externalities so long as its vegan, the future is bright mindphlux fucked around with this message at 07:25 on May 8, 2015 |
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mindphlux posted:ya we could all eat pints and pints of fresh organic out of season fruit produced in second world nations by migrant workers shipped on trucks from 1200 miles away that took 3248328943492 liters of water to produce and would literally bankrupt anyone an average american wage - in particular the dude earning $8.50/hr unloading the pallets and the cashier ringing you up at walmart, gently caress the externalities so long as its vegan, the future is bright Just because some vegans are stupid pricks doesn't mean that veganism is wrong. I can't entirely trust someone who doesn't eat cheese, though. Speaking of which, where dino. at? therattle fucked around with this message at 07:48 on May 8, 2015 |
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May 8, 2015 07:38
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Man you guys got some weird hangups. I walked into a vegetarian thai restaurant randomly, ordered their pad thai with fake beef, and guess what? It actually tasted great. I dunno what happened but lately when I try fake meats at vegetarian places they're way better than they were a few years ago. So what if it's pretending to be meat? For a meat eater like me it was a nice familiar feeling and taste and, heaven forbid, it was actually kind of fun that it was a fake meat pretending to be meat.
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I have no opinion on the...ethics of food consumption? or whatever it is you guys are arguing about, I was just saying it's pretty cool how good fake meat has become in the past few years. 95% is a hell of a lot better than it was before and that's a testament to modern technology and manufacturing methods. Hell, they bred a new variety of pea to make fake chicken strips with, IIRC.
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Steve Yun posted:Man you guys got some weird hangups. SymmetryrtemmyS posted:I have no opinion on the...ethics of food consumption? or whatever it is you guys are arguing about, I was just saying it's pretty cool how good fake meat has become in the past few years. 95% is a hell of a lot better than it was before and that's a testament to modern technology and manufacturing methods. Hell, they bred a new variety of pea to make fake chicken strips with, IIRC. yeah, if you don't view the consumption of food/natural resources as a huge problem for the sustainable future of the global economy and/or human race, it's not really an issue. fake meat does taste good, I enjoy some of it. out of season berries from Guatemala also taste good, sometimes.
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Steve Yun posted:Man you guys got some weird hangups. No no no, this makes you a bad, unethical hypocritical bad person. Engage in some self-flagellation please. If you can't pay the price for being a vegetarian then you shouldn't be one.
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Steve Yun posted:Man you guys got some weird hangups. why do they have to call it beef, that's the dumb part. just call it tofu pad thai or seitan pad thai or whatever it actually is instead of trying to label it as an imitation of something, which is an instant signal that it's not going to taste like the thing it's faking and thus is inevitably disappointing for people expecting it to therattle posted:No no no, this makes you a bad, unethical hypocritical bad person. Engage in some self-flagellation please. If you can't pay the price for being a vegetarian then you shouldn't be one. this. but. unironically.
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therattle posted:No no no, this makes you a bad, unethical hypocritical bad person. Engage in some self-flagellation please. If you can't pay the price for being a vegetarian then you shouldn't be one. if you're vegetarian and or vegan for ethical reasons related to sustainability, animal humanity, or "making the world a less bad place" - it's your self-sworn duty to think through the consequences of your consumption habits beyond "I don't eat meat because that's bad". or get called on that point by people who do. if you just eat fake soy-bean based flavored meat products because you enjoy doing so, that's awesome, more power to you. just don't pretend there's a hosed up objective ethical high ground there that you've thought through to its logical conclusion.
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mindphlux posted:if you're vegetarian and or vegan for ethical reasons related to sustainability, animal humanity, or "making the world a less bad place" - it's your self-sworn duty to think through the consequences of your consumption habits beyond "I don't eat meat because that's bad". or get called on that point by people who do. Nobody has made that argument here except those against fake meat products. I believe the technical term is a straw man argument. I never buy the stuff, but if I did I would avoid the soy ones because of Amazonian deforestation. Or I just eat properly sourced, free-range organic meat.
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mindphlux posted:if you're vegetarian and or vegan for ethical reasons related to sustainability, animal humanity, or "making the world a less bad place" - it's your self-sworn duty to think through the consequences of your consumption habits beyond "I don't eat meat because that's bad". or get called on that point by people who do. The consequence is that they don't eat meat. If they can eat fake meat to enjoy the taste of meat without actually killing animals, then that seems to fit their reasons for being a vegetarian just fine. What this really boils down to is that you just want other people to be miserable. If science and technology can separate the enjoyment of sex from most of the danger of getting a disease or the responsibility of having to raise a child, then sure, why not have sex? If science and technology can let me buy a synthetic diamond engagement ring without the guilt of knowing that an African child slave mined it, sure, why not buy that synthetic diamond? Likewise, if science and technology can let a vegetarian enjoy a decent facimile of meat without the guilt of knowing that an animal had to die for it, why not let the vegetarian just enjoy themselves? Why try to force an arbitrary consequence be included with a pleasure if advancements in science and technology can separate the two? Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 09:42 on May 8, 2015 |
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Just for fun, I decided to become informed and look at the ingredient list of the chicken product I was specifically referring to, Beyond Chicken:quote:Water, Non-GMO Soy Protein Isolate*, Pea Protein Isolate, Grilled Chicken Flavor† (Yeast Extract, Potato Maltodextrin, Natural Flavoring, Salt, Maltodextrin, Sunflower Oil, Citric Acid), Rice Flour, Expeller-Pressed Canola Oil*, Soy Fiber*, Carrot Fiber, Contains 0.5% or less of: Dipotassium Phosphate, Spices, Salt, White Vinegar, Sugar‡, Molasses Powder, Titanium Dioxide (for color), Potassium Chloride, Paprika. The same company makes Beast Burgers and Crumbles, which both have a longer ingredient list. I don't really know enough about the impact of vegetable growing on global societal welfare to discuss how terrible making chicken out of peas and carrots is, though.
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This has always, always been the dumbest argument in this forum and never goes goddamn anywhere. New topic: Massachusetts is the worst state in the union. Discuss.
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I think the world would be a better place if we ate LESS meat, particularly lovely fast food. The faster that stuff can be grown in a lab, the better.
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May 8, 2015 12:29
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McDonalds is apparently testing menu options that include kale, so I guess prepare of the price of kale to skyrocket?
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May 8, 2015 13:31
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Jay Carney posted:New topic: Massachusetts is the worst state in the union. Discuss. I can confidently say, without fear of exaggeration or hyperbole, that Florida is a billion trillion times worse.
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Scientastic posted:I can confidently say, without fear of exaggeration or hyperbole, that Florida is a billion trillion times worse. I don't have the heart to explain to my mother that last minute tickets to see her on Mother's Day is not the gift; my sufferance of a few days in Florida is.
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mindphlux posted:ya we could all eat pints and pints of fresh organic out of season fruit produced in second world nations by migrant workers shipped on trucks from 1200 miles away that took 3248328943492 liters of water to produce and would literally bankrupt anyone an average american wage - in particular the dude earning $8.50/hr unloading the pallets and the cashier ringing you up at walmart, gently caress the externalities so long as its vegan, the future is bright this is extremely true.
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Scientastic posted:I can confidently say, without fear of exaggeration or hyperbole, that Florida is a billion trillion times worse. Florida has Miami and good weather/stone crab. It took me three hours to drive from foxboro to Salem yesterday and everyone in this drat state looks like they escaped the potato famine.
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I love seitan and tofu. 99% of the time, I hate seitan and tofu when they try to be meat -- vegetarian dim sum has some good items, for instance, but even there, a lot of the meat-mimicking items (rather than just "this is a tofu skin roll") are bad. It's telling that one of my favorite dishes in the world is tofu being tofu cooked with meat being meat. Food masquerading as other foods is a cool party trick, but leave it to Wily and friends, don't base your everyday meals around it.
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EAT THE EGGS RICOLA posted:McDonalds is apparently testing menu options that include kale, so I guess prepare of the price of kale to skyrocket? I bet it doesn't though. Hipsters found kale a couple of years ago and that didn't affect the price. Kale grows super fast so I'd bet McDonalds invested in the planting of the crops a few months back to ensure they don't pay much themselves. Also I'm gonna make my house smell like a fart and make slow-cooker greens this weekend now so thanks. Kale greens are the best greens. God drat I love drinking the pot likker. Edit: Can we shut the gently caress up about vegetarian/vegan/substitute foods? It's almost as bad as a tipping discussion. 
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Serious question: Does kale always taste like a stiff, lovely version of spinach, or is that just the kind I had literally every time I've tried it?
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contrapants posted:Serious question: Does kale always taste like a stiff, lovely version of spinach, or is that just the kind I had literally every time I've tried it? Might just be what you get, or you might just not like the taste of skunky chlorophyl, which is what kale kind of tastes like.
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contrapants posted:Serious question: Does kale always taste like a stiff, lovely version of spinach, or is that just the kind I had literally every time I've tried it? I'm with you on this. Kale is overhyped as this delicious green and I just don't enjoy it on any level. If I want to eat greens I'll eat spinach or cabbage or any of the 100 varieties of lettuce and enjoy it. But kale aint nothin special.
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Kale sucks raw but when you cook it the bitterness kinda turns interesting like collard greens or other bitter vegetables.
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Just cook it all day with salt pork or a ham hock or something. Until it nearly liquifies. Then it's like really seriously the best thing ever.
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Mustard greens for life, yo.
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Mr. Wiggles posted:Just cook it all day with salt pork or a ham hock or something. Until it nearly liquifies. Then it's like really seriously the best thing ever. That's what i meant by slow-cooker greens. I use some country ham pieces, chop up an onion, a few cloves of minced garlic, 1/2 cup vinegar in a big rear end crock pot filled to the brim with kale greens. Fill with water to the top, cook it for like 6-8 hours and holy poo poo. Best greens ever. Of course it needs this:
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