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cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine
The false myth is that there are whole landfills full of nothing but unsold ET cartridges. The truth is that the company just dumped all sorts of junk in a site in New Mexico.

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Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT

MonsieurChoc posted:

I wonder if they'll go with Whitey as informant or Whitey as never an informant. It's a huge difference.

Every single one of those guys traded information for protection at some point. Bulger just made a big show of refusing to testify because it's his last fight and he wants the streets to remember him as an outlaw hero.

Viginti
Feb 1, 2015

Animal-Mother posted:

Every single one of those guys traded information for protection at some point. Bulger just made a big show of refusing to testify because it's his last fight and he wants the streets to remember him as an outlaw hero.

This seems pretty likely, but its also sort of besides the point, which isn't whether he gave information but whether or not he was technically signed on as a legitimate informant and if so, did he ever give any information that wasn't directly to his own benefit?

I'm not a lawyer, but it seems strange to me that the state could argue that he was both an informant and didn't have immunity. If he was an informant than he had to be getting something from it, there had to be a deal, and if there is no immunity document then he probably was never a real informant. Whether or not it's as deep as Berlinger suggests there is a gap in the story here, a missing link in the logic of it all that doesn't speak well to the FBI.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007
I shouldn't have waited as long as I did to watch The Two Escobars,, I built it up hugely in my mind. It was just OK.

It draws a connection between the rise of Pablo Escobar and the success of the Colombian national soccer team, culminating in their 1994 world cup bid. Beyond that, they try to show a bit of parallel lives between Andrés Escobar, one of the team's top players, and the drug lord himself. It doesn't really hold up beyond them both growing up poor and feeling connected to their communities.

The movie makes some bad but forgivable aesthetic choices (zooming in on every talking head, adding fake film grain), but the middle third of the movie, which focuses almost entirely on Pablo, is far and away the most interesting. The connection between soccer and drug trafficking is strong based on the history that the movie presents, but Andrés Escobar's personality doesn't cut through the way Pablo's ridiculous scheming does. Pablo wanted to buy soccer fields for the poor so they would elect him to the house of representatives in Colombia so he wouldn't be extradited (!!!). Andrés does it because he wants to help poor people.

At one point I laughed because they say, "Andrés thought blah blah blah..." and it had been so long since they mentioned Escobar number two that I had to think hard who they were even talking about.

It's not a pass, but...eh.

Crisco Kid
Jan 14, 2008

Where does the wind come from that blows upon your face, that fans the pages of your book?
I was at Full Frame Fest a couple weeks ago -- 84 documentaries in 4 days -- and though I only got to see a handful, everything I was able to catch was excellent. Unfortunately, since a lot of these films were either premieres or very new, I can't even find trailers for them, much less links.

A few award winners were incredibly deep-imbed docs (T)ERROR and Cartel Land, about an active FBI counterterror sting operation and two anti-Cartel vigilante groups on different sides of the US-Mexico border, respectively.

Check these out when you get the chance:
Black Panthers: Vanguard of the Revolution by Stanley Nelson
https://vimeo.com/117315935
The history of the Black Panther party was way more complicated than I'd ever realized. I was especially surprised to learn how strong female leadership and presence was in the movement, and that the FBI didn't start aggressive pursuit of the BPP until after the Panthers began initiating social programs like Free Breakfast for Children. THAT was what got J. Edgar Hoover freaked out.

Peace Officer by Scott Christopherson and Brad Barber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN64SvF7vVY

Not only technically well-executed, but unusual in that the subject sought out the directors rather than the other way around. The tagline is "A former sheriff will stop at nothing to confront the SWAT team he founded," and that's exactly what he does. You couldn't have invented a more compelling character for an argument against the militarization of domestic police: the dude is former military and a career police officer from a family of police, youngest ever sheriff elected in the county (and wrote himself a ticket when he illegally parked by a milkshake parlor), founded Utah's first SWAT, and 'retired' after nearly 40 years on the force to run a sewage repair service. He's also charismatic, obviously intelligent, and obsessive when it comes to investigations. Nobody can claim he "doesn't know what it's like for the officers on the scene" or that he doesn't understand procedure. He is literally an expert. After he begins his own investigation following the SWAT murder of his son-in-law, a few other community members approach him about questionable police-related deaths. With help from the victims' family members, he reconstructs crime scenes and explains his findings better than the active duty officers, often finding evidence that the CSI teams failed to recover.

The doc also addresses the evolution of police militarization on a national level, but it's sort of amazing to watch this earnest grandad question police misuse of force, then cheerfully, compassionately, totally wreck their bullshit on every level.

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014

Crisco Kid posted:

The tagline is "A former sheriff will stop at nothing to confront the SWAT team he founded," and that's exactly what he does.

Sounds like the tagline to a great action movie.

Really though, can't wait to check the doc out.

Lady Naga
Apr 25, 2008

Voyons Donc!
So I've seen The Sweatbox and Waking Sleeping Beauty, are there any other good animation history documentaries? Particularly ones that aren't too self-congratulatory.

savinhill
Mar 28, 2010

Animal-Mother posted:

Every single one of those guys traded information for protection at some point. Bulger just made a big show of refusing to testify because it's his last fight and he wants the streets to remember him as an outlaw hero.

Yeah, while it made for an entertaining doc and his movie lawyer did a great job selling it, I don't buy Whitey's not-a-snitch story for a second.


Raxivace posted:

Sounds like the tagline to a great action movie.

Really though, can't wait to check the doc out.

Yeah, same here, I hope it makes it to some type of VOD soon.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
I watched The Emperor's New Clothes, Russel Brand's documentary on inequality. Nothing I didn't already know, but ti was told in an entertaining manner.

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014

Lady Naga posted:

So I've seen The Sweatbox and Waking Sleeping Beauty, are there any other good animation history documentaries? Particularly ones that aren't too self-congratulatory.

While it is on the congratulatory side, I found Walt & El Grupo to be enjoyable.

Viginti
Feb 1, 2015
Nick Broomfield's Tales of the Grim Sleeper airs on HBO tonight (the 27th), it looks pretty fascinating and people have dug it at festivals. Should be worth a watch.

ynohtna
Feb 16, 2007

backwoods compatible
Illegal Hen

Prickly Pete posted:

This may have come up already, but does anyone have any recommendations for documentaries about the cold war?

Any aspect of it really. Spies, intelligence and counterintelligence, defectors from either side, espionage, weird or spooky nuclear devices, etc.

I watched part of Atomic Cafe a few weeks ago and it has been stuck in my brain ever since. Anything about that era would be great, not necessarily about nuclear war.

I'm really fond of The Target is Your Brain, a 1984 Soviet doc about the idealogical warfare of American pop culture.

Edit, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM7jUu9shS4

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours
Target Is Your Brain is fantastic.

Kull the Conqueror
Apr 8, 2006

Take me to the green valley,
lay the sod o'er me,
I'm a young cowboy,
I know I've done wrong
Wow, Vernon, Florida is kind of perfect.

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

ynohtna posted:

I'm really fond of The Target is Your Brain, a 1984 Soviet doc about the idealogical warfare of American pop culture.

Edit, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM7jUu9shS4

Are you sure this is real? It's on the same YouTube channel as that fake North Korea propaganda movie and there's an absolute dearth of info about the film on the internet.

Peas and Rice
Jul 14, 2004

Honor and profit.

ynohtna posted:

I'm really fond of The Target is Your Brain, a 1984 Soviet doc about the idealogical warfare of American pop culture.

For other cold war / atomic age documentaries, Trinity and Beyond: the Atomic Bomb Movie (and its several sequels) is a great look at the development of the American nuclear weapons program.

Allyn
Sep 4, 2007

I love Charlie from Busted!
Frederick Wiseman's National Gallery is gonna be on BBC4 on Sunday, 8pm :woop:

I imagine it'll go up on iPlayer so non-British people can use hola or whatever

ynohtna
Feb 16, 2007

backwoods compatible
Illegal Hen

cloudchamber posted:

Are you sure this is real? It's on the same YouTube channel as that fake North Korea propaganda movie and there's an absolute dearth of info about the film on the internet.

That's a good question for which I don't have any answer. It comes across as real, but given the core subject it'd also be highly appropriate for it to be an elaborate hoax. Good on you for keeping your weapons of perception sharp and your brain hard to target!

Peas and Rice posted:

For other cold war / atomic age documentaries, Trinity and Beyond: the Atomic Bomb Movie (and its several sequels) is a great look at the development of the American nuclear weapons program.

Yup, that's a great one.

There's also lots of intriguing material on the CIA's YouTube channel, such as this 1982 briefing on the (perceived) state of the Soviet space program:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzMYNONhfs4

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007
The waiting room on Netflix is a day-in-the-life view of an Oakland hospital ER. No statistics or non-diagetic VO, just a well rendered series of hospital vignettes. It felt a little better than the best episodes of those TRUE ER shows, mostly due to the humor they find in the people.

The straightforward presentation has an order of magnitude more impact than the bombast of something like Sicko.

Jonas Albrecht
Jun 7, 2012


June 5th, a new documentary from the guy who did Room 237 comes out. It's about sleep paralysis, and it looks pretty creepy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2x5zGNBmjo

SaviourX
Sep 30, 2003

The only true Catwoman is Julie Newmar, Lee Meriwether, or Eartha Kitt.

Heya goons, there's the docs fest in my city coming up but I only have the 7-11th available.

Here's the schedule, anything decent to see in there?

http://globalvisionsfestival.com/film-schedule-2015/

I've done GTFO and probably am down with Going Clear.

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

SOPHISTICATED DOG SHIT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilKzuY9tjyg

I'm a huge fan of both the Hotline Miami games and being able to listen to the developers talk about the experience of making it is loving rad.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
Am I imagining things or is there a huge glut of documentaries lately about really niche things?

Weaponized Autism
Mar 26, 2006

All aboard the Gravy train!
Hair Elf

Steve Yun posted:

Am I imagining things or is there a huge glut of documentaries lately about really niche things?

I actually had this same thought as well today.

To contribute, there is this pizza restaurant in Jersey City, NJ that makes an amazing bread & butter:

https://vimeo.com/100214939

It's easy to get to if you're in NYC, I highly recommend it!

Kull the Conqueror
Apr 8, 2006

Take me to the green valley,
lay the sod o'er me,
I'm a young cowboy,
I know I've done wrong

Steve Yun posted:

Am I imagining things or is there a huge glut of documentaries lately about really niche things?

How niche do you mean?

Garth_Marenghi
Nov 7, 2011

Tailored Sauce posted:

To contribute, there is this pizza restaurant in Jersey City, NJ that makes an amazing bread & butter:
https://vimeo.com/100214939
Jersey City represent!

I swear, I was born and raised in Jersey city and almost as soon as I moved away they open up a Barcade, German Beer halls, and tons of artisanal restaurants.

Oh, and speaking of documentaries and Jersey City.
http://www.wfmuthemovie.com/

WFMU also opened up a music venue after I moved.

Garth_Marenghi fucked around with this message at 19:22 on May 8, 2015

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Steve Yun posted:

Am I imagining things or is there a huge glut of documentaries lately about really niche things?

There have always been documentaries about niche things. Lots. Some of the best, in fact.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
Yeah I should probably eat those words. The thought just occurred to me as I was browsing weird documentaries on Netflix, but I guess now that I looked at them again a lot of them were around for a few years.

I mean, I like his work and I think he's semi-interesting but it was kinda weird that someone made a whole documentary about Dan Harmon.

Garth_Marenghi
Nov 7, 2011

Steve Yun posted:

I mean, I like his work and I think he's semi-interesting but it was kinda weird that someone made a whole documentary about Dan Harmon.
It more about his podcast and the "cult" that surrounds it.

Leinadi
Sep 14, 2009
Does anyone know of any good documentaries about Michael Jackson. More specifically, focusing more on his music? There appears to be a ton of poo poo focusing on the conspiracies around his death, his operations and all the drama. But is there a straight documentary just focusing on the man and his music?

I've seen 'This is it' btw.

nonathlon
Jul 9, 2004
And yet, somehow, now it's my fault ...

Steve Yun posted:

Yeah I should probably eat those words. The thought just occurred to me as I was browsing weird documentaries on Netflix, but I guess now that I looked at them again a lot of them were around for a few years.

I mean, I like his work and I think he's semi-interesting but it was kinda weird that someone made a whole documentary about Dan Harmon.

A lot more niche documentaries are showing up because it's getting a lot easier to find them, when previously they used to show at a few film festivals and then disappear. Hell, I remember going to see a set of early Errol Morris documentaries at the cinema, because there was no way I was going to see them otherwise.

Is the Harmon dock any good? I mean, to non-fanatics?

bowmore
Oct 6, 2008



Lipstick Apathy
Might be a good time to make a new thread, 90% of the videos in the OP don't work.

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli

outlier posted:

A lot more niche documentaries are showing up because it's getting a lot easier to find them, when previously they used to show at a few film festivals and then disappear.
I was at a talk with D. A. Pennebaker and he noted that the only places that would screen his early documentaries was a chain of on-the-out porno theaters that were looking to clean up their act.

Kull the Conqueror
Apr 8, 2006

Take me to the green valley,
lay the sod o'er me,
I'm a young cowboy,
I know I've done wrong

WebDog posted:

I was at a talk with D. A. Pennebaker and he noted that the only places that would screen his early documentaries was a chain of on-the-out porno theaters that were looking to clean up their act.

It predates his era too. Newsreel theaters were around in bigger cities, and immensely popular for that matter, but anything that wasn't newsreel (i.e. establishment-biased stuff produced by big studios) barely made its way through independent theater circuits before fading away. Independent doc-artists were kept out of the mainstream by design.

UltimoDragonQuest
Oct 5, 2011



Kurt Cobain: Montage of Heck was kind of interesting as art and disappointing as a story. The tortured artist narrative was boring and in 145 minutes there was no insight that you couldn't glean from a single interview. There were a lot of animated sequences based on sketches and a few original works putting visuals to recorded stories. Like many HBO documentaries the best part was home movie footage.

The ending was the hackiest poo poo. Closing shot of MTV Unplugged, cut to black, fade in a title card about killing himself. It's a 30 second youtube tribute.

Viginti
Feb 1, 2015
As someone who likes Nirvana's music but never bought into the Cobain as Christ Mythology the Gen X's had, is it worth the time? Should I see the Broomfield instead?

UltimoDragonQuest
Oct 5, 2011



Viginti posted:

As someone who likes Nirvana's music but never bought into the Cobain as Christ Mythology the Gen X's had, is it worth the time? Should I see the Broomfield instead?
This one has a nice soundtrack but it's really long. Broomfield dwells on Courtney being a big meanie suppressing free speech. She pulled the music licensing and leaned on MTV to stop financing just because he was accusing her of conspiracy to commit murder. Rude!

Here's the home recording of And I Love Her nobody knew about until the director went digging. There was allegedly a long instrumental new to the film but I didn't notice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEEKHEPFvbM

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER
So B B King died today. I've always loved his music, never saw a documentary about him.

Sure enough, there's a good one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGTxDRiqwkM

UltimoDragonQuest posted:

Kurt Cobain: Montage of Heck was kind of interesting as art and disappointing as a story. The tortured artist narrative was boring and in 145 minutes there was no insight that you couldn't glean from a single interview. There were a lot of animated sequences based on sketches and a few original works putting visuals to recorded stories. Like many HBO documentaries the best part was home movie footage.

The ending was the hackiest poo poo. Closing shot of MTV Unplugged, cut to black, fade in a title card about killing himself. It's a 30 second youtube tribute.
I actually liked it. If anything, the doc portrays Cobain as a kid/teenager who liked to stir poo poo up and get people annoyed, which carried on into his adulthood. It was nice to see Courtney cop to the crap she did when they were using. Their daughter produced the doc, so I'm betting that had a lot to do with getting Courtney's buy-in.

magnificent7 fucked around with this message at 17:25 on May 15, 2015

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

amazeballs posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilKzuY9tjyg

I'm a huge fan of both the Hotline Miami games and being able to listen to the developers talk about the experience of making it is loving rad.

That song in the opening of the video always gets me super-pumped to either run or work out, and now it has me pumped to watch this piece.

/edit

Dear Jesus god, there's a sequel?
Excuse me while I waste the rest of my day.

Duzzy Funlop fucked around with this message at 01:02 on May 16, 2015

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Hardawn
Mar 15, 2004

Don't look at the sun, but rather what it illuminates
College Slice

Viginti posted:

As someone who likes Nirvana's music but never bought into the Cobain as Christ Mythology the Gen X's had, is it worth the time? Should I see the Broomfield instead?

The filmmaker was quoted saying after he met kurt's daughter he wanted to make a film almost for her. I was glad they didn't dwell on the suicide because it'd would've been the same news footage shots of the exterior if the house and the wheeling out of his body that you can see in the million other nirvana docs. I really enjoyed both the animation, the unique soundtrack and the more personal diary side of his story. Definitely humanizing in my opinion.

It's actually quite critical of kurt, because he would talk so much about the pain his parents caused him and turned around and did the exact same thing to his daughter.

Hardawn fucked around with this message at 00:10 on May 16, 2015

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