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Tab8715 posted:drat. Microsoft stopped doing it. Amazon still does last I heard. As an employee I didn't feel Amazon's system affected me that much -- as a manager I hated it. But I might have been too naive (or maybe they weren't stack ranking in the years before I was a manager? It's been too many years ago to remember.) Friends at Microsoft have said it affects them a lot at work -- but I don't know how much of that is real and how much is imaginary. My current company does calibrations, where managers meet to discuss and compare their folks -- but just as many ratings go up as go down. Which is not something I ever saw at Amazon. And without forced ranks, when we looked at the percentages at the VP level, we were very close to what was expected. (But no one forced us to be exact.) I think stack ranking is a very blunt stick companies use to get around the fact that they have weak, untrustworthy, poorly trained management who can't be trusted to accurately rate people. It's the managerial equivalent of forcing everyone to be in the office precisely from 9 to 5 no matter what, because you can't trust them to be adults and get their work done on their own schedule.
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Kyth posted:Microsoft stopped doing it. Amazon still does last I heard. As an employee I didn't feel Amazon's system affected me that much -- as a manager I hated it. But I might have been too naive (or maybe they weren't stack ranking in the years before I was a manager? It's been too many years ago to remember.)
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May 11, 2015 04:02
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Perhaps stack ranking in a viable alternative to having a perfect, competent middle management in a company of tens of thousands. That's a bit of a utopia.
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May 11, 2015 07:53
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I worked a place with stack rankings of Exceptional, Valued Plus, Valued and Needs Improvement. In my Cluelessnes I worked my rear end off and achieved two Valued Plus and after many months and hard work I finally got my Exceptional. I have now fully embraced Loserdom where I install Windows, tell people to try turning it off and on again and watch Youtube all day, and I make twice the money I made while working at the stack ranked place.
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May 11, 2015 07:56
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 , Reuters pushes out a lot of software on Linux and have now decided to pull support for RHEL7 because it costs  and now support Oracle Linux and CentOS 7 instead.quote:Supported Platforms: Unsurprisingly managers who push this stuff don't understand Windows Server 2008 R2 and 2012 R2 are actual separate OSs.
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May 11, 2015 15:11
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Swink posted:Perhaps stack ranking in a viable alternative to having a perfect, competent middle management in a company of tens of thousands. That's a bit of a utopia. You don't need every individual manager to be perfect. You need a set of checks and balances that double check performance ratings to a sufficient degree to prevent "and everyone is above average!" while not going headlong into "we have three too many people in 'meets expectations' in this division of 5000 people, so we need to change three people to 'needs improvement.'" That's what stack ranking is: slavish adherence to the belief that you need very strict percentages no matter what, and that people can be strictly ordered in terms of competence (rather than, say, in terms of political shininess.)
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May 11, 2015 15:59
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MrMoo posted:
Because Oracle Linux is so cheap! Those guys gave me the hard sell last month. I told them that based on the support we get from RH vs the support we get from Oracle on their other products, using them for Linux support was a non-starter. They assured me that if we weren't getting good support, we were using their support system wrong. That's where I wussed out; I focused on disengaging, but I should have jumped in their poo poo and explained that support you can use wrong is bad support.
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There were words here.
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May 11, 2015 19:11
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Crikey. You should not go back to that place tomorrow or ever again. If you're there now, just leave. At will employment goes both ways.
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May 11, 2015 19:27
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like stop showing up.
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May 11, 2015 19:31
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Please do not return to that job. You have zero obligation to take that kind of treatment and that man deserves his company to be ruined if that's the kind of abuse he lays upon his employees.
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May 11, 2015 19:34
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Do you live somewhere decent where you can report him to some kind of legal body? Because jesus christ
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May 11, 2015 19:38
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go3 posted:like
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May 11, 2015 19:42
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insidius posted:HOLY poo poo
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May 11, 2015 19:45
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I quit a similar job where I was the 24/7 everything guy for too many things and the boss made it out that I was personally hurting him by quitting. Then I called a recruiter, told him my salary, he LAUGHED at it, then told me he could almost double it at a better job with less stress, and then two weeks later I was out.
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May 11, 2015 19:48
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Actually the more I think about it the better it would be to just peace the gently caress out of there. How awesome would it be if you just waltzed in with a boombox on your shoulder playing "Were not going to take it" then putting on your sunglasses and going all  ! He'd be going into a rage seizure and you would just strut on out with your box of personal belongings.
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May 11, 2015 19:51
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Leave now and don't go back. The only person looking out for your interests is you. You will find a better job and you should also seek counseling because suicide US not the answer.
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May 11, 2015 19:52
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BaseballPCHiker posted:Actually the more I think about it the better it would be to just peace the gently caress out of there. How awesome would it be if you just waltzed in with a boombox on your shoulder playing "Were not going to take it" then putting on your sunglasses and going all I would honestly keep going to work, do your 9 to 5 and then leave. Keep getting a salary until they fire you, and then get unemployment. I'm not sure how it works, but if you quit it may make it harder to get unemployment. There is absolutely nothing he can do to you besides fire you. There is no "circle of industry" he can go to and poison so you can't get a job, there's no way he can give you a bad reference, because just don't use him as one. This sort of thing does not happen. I think the worst he can do is challenge your unemployment claim, but then typically that tends to go the way of the employee. Also, I'd suggest you look up a lawyer specializing in employment in your state. Have a cup of coffee with him, honestly run the situation by him. You are keeping notes of dates and times of conversations, as well as printing out emails in which he's abusive and insulting, right? Show them to him, and watch his eyes light up when he sees them. If you are from the east cost, send me a PM and I"ll hook you up with a recruiter. It's free, and if you have have the experience you claim in your rambling, you can easily find a job.
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May 11, 2015 19:58
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The length of that post alone tells me you need to hit the eject button on that job. I remember a terrible job I had back in the 1990s. One night I had such a horrible headache after work that I actually drove home with one hand pressed to my forehead as if my brains were going to burst out, Jiffy-Pop style. Difficulty at work is one thing. Misery is another. I have absorbed far too much of that due to work and it's never worth it. EDIT: You can read my posts in the old "A ticket came in" thread to see that you're not alone in digging a massive work-hole for yourself. I've been digging various work-holes for about 20 years, slowwwwwly learning the lesson on how to protect myself. I hope you can learn more quickly. Dick Trauma fucked around with this message at 20:03 on May 11, 2015 |
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insidius posted:As for me, work will be here soon enough. I doubt I will sleep, I will probably keep running this through my mind wondering how I am supposed to face this man tomorrow like an adult. I fear that it will not be a good day. Don't show up to work. Instead, show up to therapy. I'm serious, this is not a joke or an E/N meme or an insult or anything; you mentioned suicide more than once in your post which is itself enough to tell me that you need some help. Professional help. It'll help you get some perspective on your situation; specifically that your life isn't destroyed and that getting away from a manipulative sociopath is the first step in reclaiming it. Also, I am going to go out on a limb and say there is approximately zero chance that this dude can ruin your career in IT. If you work at one of only two places in the world that manufactures Frungy Sticks, you might have trouble getting a job at the other Frungy Stick manufacturing company. But general system administration? Linux in particular? You can go loving anywhere, his threats are laughable to me.
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I know how you feel insidius but drat just grow a backbone and get the gently caress out of there. You are going down a slope pretty drat quick and about to crash.
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Che Delilas posted:You can go loving anywhere, his threats are laughable to me. When I gave notice at a similar job, the owner told me I was taking food out of his families mouth by quitting, and that he had forgone a salary for a year now to keep paying me. Good way to convince me to stay, tell me the company is nearly bankrupt, and if I leave, you can have my salary, and feed your kids. So we all win. In the meantime his kids are in private school, and he has two sports cars. K, thnx bye.
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May 11, 2015 20:00
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insidius posted:"I will loving destroy your career. Ill black ball you, ill prevent you from ever working another job in this industry for so long as you live." This is where you pack your poo poo and leave without saying a word. The only time you set foot on that company's property again is when you have someone with "Esquire" next to their name walking with you.
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May 11, 2015 20:00
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go3 posted:like This. Actually no. Call in sick for as long as possible. See how long it takes them to stop paying you. Then never show up again. The moment someone tells you "I will loving destroy your career" is the moment you stand up, laugh, and walk out the door.
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May 11, 2015 20:05
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I read every word of your post and I'm really sorry that you've been going through this for so long. You did a really good job telling everything logically despite how emotional the whole thing obviously is. As cliche as it sounds, remember that this is one hosed up situation and doesn't define you or your beliefs. Your boss is a psychopath and probably practices very hard to make you feel the way that you have been. Getting someone like that out of your life permanently sounds like a good idea.
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May 11, 2015 20:15
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Stop. Do not show up to that place again and do not answer any calls, mails or anything from or about it. Remove any company email from your phone. You don't have any sort of co-ownership of the company, you are not invested in it. Whether the company booms or burns is not your problem. That boss is evil. Actually evil. If you leaving will cause him and his company trouble, just better. Obviously, don't sabotage anything, don't set up booby traps or time bombs. Just leave. Leave now.
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May 11, 2015 20:22
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Zorak of Michigan posted:Because Oracle Linux is so cheap! My friend is on a project where they are using it, along with the virtual offering. Sure its cheaper than VMWare but from what I heard it does barely anything and the guy they have managing their account didn't seem to even have faith in their own product. He makes more than me, but I would rather make less and never have to deal with oracle again. Its bad enough that they control mysql and java now.
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May 11, 2015 20:25
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Stop being the loving Goon in the well. You owe nothing to anyone else, especially if they've built their entire current business on your back. You want the weight of the world off your shoulders? Then shrug it off and walk away. Repeat after me - I am not anyone's doormat. Let the fucker come after you - any decent lawyer would have his balls on a gold platter. Blackmail, coercion, threats of violence - the term hostile work environment doesn't even begin to cover that poo poo. Walk. Away. Now. No 2 weeks notice. No grace period. No friendly turnover. Jump out and yank the ripcord, because that plane is going down in flames - you can either save yourself, or die in the crash.
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May 11, 2015 20:26
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Good on you for getting out. If you don't have a job lined up or savings, I'll throw $50 into the pot if we take up a collection for you to give you some breathing room. But seriously, just don't go back. And talk to HR about why. Don't talk to that guy anymore. Don't even approach him. Literally the definition of a toxic manager. Not sure if you're in the US but if you have the experience you're talking about and want to crash on my couch in NJ while looking for a job in NYC, it's totally open.
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May 11, 2015 20:32
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Holy poo poo dude, I wish you the absolute best.
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May 11, 2015 20:37
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Literally everyone in this thread Googles everything, all the time, every day. You're plenty smart, dude. Now do like everyone else said and walk away. Even if it means no unemployment, nothing to fall back on, it's far better to be a little broke than to be a lot dead.
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May 11, 2015 20:51
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If you aren't Googling then you're doing something terribly wrong. Also nthing never go back.
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May 11, 2015 21:11
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In that, you mentioned you took a co-worker in to one of the meetings with you. Find a lawyer, make an appointment, and bring that person with you as a witness. If there are any emails, texts, or voicemails that have the same type of bullshit that boss was saying, print them out/copy them. I kind of agree with Sickening in that you should just call in sick and keep doing that, but in any case, pack up what is yours from your office and leave now and don't return. You have legitimate reasons for sick leave, it sounds like the Doctor you also mentioned would be more that willing to write out a leave for you. As many others have said, and will, leave now. If you have some money stored up, just use it to keep your bills paid and just relax out for a little bit, maybe take a small in-state vacation for a few days. Overall though, don't stay there, leave.
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Joining the chorus of "leave now and never return." Consider getting a new phone number, getting new personal email addresses, etc. You are literally leaving an abusive relationship. Just like anyone in an abusive domestic relationship. Just like them, you're finding reasons to blame yourself, and none of the poo poo show going on at your company is your fault. So get out, as soon and as cleanly as possible, which is literally right now.
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insidius posted:"I will loving destroy your career. Ill black ball you, ill prevent you from ever working another job in this industry for so long as you live." Holy hell, I don't consider myself much of a brave person but that would've made me me laugh in his face and peace right out the door. I don't know how it works in the states or the quality of company, but you should build a case for work related stress off the back of that post. I mean my wife went to a doctor & consultants about stress and laid it all out, the doc pretty much said "You are not going back into work, and those are my orders", and she works as a contact center supervisor compared to your hellhole. Oh yeah, get out of there now before it swallows you whole. EDIT: Those threats sound like a bunch of horseshit, no one running a business has the time to gently caress someone over, especially if they don't have the dollar to keep on staff.
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May 11, 2015 21:47
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Seriously, working minimum wage at a convenience store would be a better experience than what your dealing with right now.
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Also, your girlfriend sounds awesome, and I'm sure she'll back you leaving and help you out with bills, &c., if need be.
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May 11, 2015 22:03
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Run, don't walk, to a lawyer and tell him/her you want to quit this job yesterday. it is killing you jesus christ
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May 11, 2015 22:06
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Holy poo poo dude, I wish you the absolute best. This and also get out.
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I think this is the new standard for terribleness, even more than Tony.
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