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If you're selling things then you get no say in what happens to it after the sale. If you want something to stay stock, don't sell it, either keep it or donate it to a museum. Outside of modifying the transmission tunnel, nothing he's done to that car can't be returned to its original state with relative ease. And that's why people getting all upset about it is funny to me. *edit: new page 
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I love that it flashes the Viper logo when you hit the redline.
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May 13, 2015 09:11
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It sucks when people do that poo poo, especially when classic prices are through the roof and you might need someone to cut you a break as a young guy to get hold of one.
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May 13, 2015 09:15
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Preoptopus posted:Wait this is YOU!? I wish
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May 13, 2015 10:43
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Tekne posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJpiI02ZtUs I love the Viper's lazy howl. It sounds like it's taunting you to rev it to redline.
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May 13, 2015 12:31
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88h88 posted:If you're selling things then you get no say in what happens to it after the sale. If you want something to stay stock, don't sell it, either keep it or donate it to a museum. Or sell it a fellow enthusiast who would keep it original. Perhaps some young eager kid who will tell you how he wants to keep the dream alive. 
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May 13, 2015 12:34
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Elmnt80 posted:Or sell it a fellow enthusiast who would keep it original. Perhaps some young eager kid who will tell you how he wants to keep the dream alive. In his case ignorance really will be bliss because I doubt he'll be reading Speed Hunters to see what happened to his old car. 
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May 13, 2015 13:22
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88h88 posted:If you're selling things then you get no say in what happens to it after the sale. If you want something to stay stock, don't sell it, either keep it or donate it to a museum. This. People are acting like it's the end of the world and freaking out like the car is irreparably ruined. If someone cared to, they could bring the thing back to its original state. It's a nice spin on a classic car and one you don't usually see done to a classic Alfa like that. It's different and awesome.
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May 13, 2015 13:23
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I don't give a poo poo about keeping a car "pure" or whatever that hootenanny is (I support the DH in the NL), I just think the car looks loving ugly.
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The Midniter posted:I don't give a poo poo about keeping a car "pure" or whatever that hootenanny is (I support the DH in the NL), I just think the car looks loving ugly. Let's not let the few stance-monkeys who like that ruin the awesome thread. Counteract it with nicely updated classics instead. 
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May 13, 2015 16:46
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KozmoNaut posted:I love that it flashes the Viper logo when you hit the redline. Same. Put a big , dumb grin on my face.
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May 13, 2015 16:47
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  Read about this in Super Street a couple of months ago, a 1973 Skyline GT-X with a 550 horsepower RB26 in it.
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May 13, 2015 16:49
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MustardFacial posted:I'm sorry but no. The PO clearly wanted this thing to go to a good home, and this guy swindled his way into it. If the thing was a clapped out beater then sure I can fully understand do whatever the gently caress you want to it. You're putting in the wrench time. If he had cared for it that, he wouldn't have sold it. And arguably, he did stick to the history of the car. Some questionable aesthetic choices aside, this car was updated to be driven regularly. The 105/115 series was raced a lot in its days and often saw bolt-ons back then as well. Period correct tuner parts are often hard to come by and it doesn't make much sense to build up a car like that and then race it unless it's mandated by specific series regulations. Going the way he did (apart from the cosmetic choices) kind of makes sense if you just want a fast Alfa. There is also the fact that 105/115 series Alfas aren't exactly rare. This car owns.
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May 13, 2015 17:33
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My friend's grandfather passed a couple of years ago and my friend ended up inheriting a car with 22k miles on it. Cosworth head, basically sounds like a Group B rally car. 
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May 13, 2015 17:41
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"Chrysler by Maserati"? So it sounds amazing but you need to off load it before the warranty runs out?
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May 13, 2015 18:17
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Too bad that warranty ran out somewhere around 24 years ago.
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May 13, 2015 18:45
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It's one of the 501 cars with the manual + 16v Cosworth head. Kinda neat.
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May 13, 2015 18:48
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Ghost Farts posted:If he had cared for it that, he wouldn't have sold it. Who cares what he did to the car? The buyer lied to an old guy to get a car from him. That's lovely no matter what he did with the car. It would be just as lovely if the situation was reversed and he'd promised to update the car but ended up restoring it. I'm not a huge suspension guy but that doesn't look like a particularly functional setup. Style wise I guess some people like that, but isn't it going to be less driveable?
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May 13, 2015 19:17
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DrakeriderCa posted:I'm not a huge suspension guy but that doesn't look like a particularly functional setup. Style wise I guess some people like that, but isn't it going to be less driveable?  Come on.
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DrakeriderCa posted:Who cares what he did to the car? The buyer lied to an old guy to get a car from him. That's lovely no matter what he did with the car. It would be just as lovely if the situation was reversed and he'd promised to update the car but ended up restoring it. I'm absolutely calling bullshit on this. If he'd lied and restored it you and everyone in here making GBS threads on this car would be falling all over yourselves to praise it while saying "well, he lied, but look at how good the resto is! It looks factory!" You don't like the car. Cool. Fine. But the original owner sold the car and doesn't get a say in what happens to it. And good luck trying to buy an old Alfa while being honest about making a build that would be featured on Stanceworks. The guy did what he had to do, and made a loving awesome car out of it.
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May 13, 2015 19:41
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BlackMK4 posted:"For the car's running gear, Jason turned to Alfaholics, whom he insists provide the best suspension solutions, bar none. GTA-R spec suspension was fitted to the chassis, and for stopping power, GTA-R 6-pot billet calipers paired with big discs, braided lines, and an adjustable balance box were sourced." Just because they used good parts doesn't mean their suspension geometry (or lack thereof) is any good. http://www.alfaholics.com/our-cars/completed-builds/alfaholics-gta-r-1009/photoshoot-car-ready-to-ship/ I think this car looks a thousand times better than the earlier stanceworks car.
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kimcicle posted:Just because they used good parts doesn't mean their suspension geometry (or lack thereof) is any good. How are you measuring his suspension geometry? Because it has some front camber? You want front camber in most cars for track usage in order to get even tire temperature - Alfa guys want -2*+. It looks low because it has flares bolted on.
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BlackMK4 posted:How are you measuring his suspension geometry? Because it has some front camber? You want front camber in most cars for track usage in order to get even tire temperature - Alfa guys want -2*+. It looks low because it has flares bolted on. Yeah, it has a shitload of front camber and almost no camber in the rear - it looks pretty well set up. The wheels are really tight fitment with the flares/body as well. The only thing I'd worry about is the wheels rubbing the bodywork.
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Professor Bling posted:I'm absolutely calling bullshit on this. If he'd lied and restored it you and everyone in here making GBS threads on this car would be falling all over yourselves to praise it while saying "well, he lied, but look at how good the resto is! It looks factory!" Actually, no I wouldn't. Because I never said I didn't like the car. I think the engine swap was great (although the dipped CF stuff looks trashy), and I like the look besides thinking the suspension looked weird. Which is exactly why I admitted I don't know much about suspensions and asked about it. So I think you're barking up the wrong tree. If you're looking for someone who thinks its dumb there are plenty of other posts above mine. I still think its lovely to lie to a PO, no matter what you're doing. kimcicle posted:Just because they used good parts doesn't mean their suspension geometry (or lack thereof) is any good. This is what I was thinking. Lightbulb Out posted:Yeah, it has a shitload of front camber and almost no camber in the rear - it looks pretty well set up. And this is what I needed to hear. Like I admitted above, I don't actually know much about suspension setup but at a first glance it looked wonky to me. Thanks. DrakeriderCa fucked around with this message at 20:11 on May 13, 2015 |
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May 13, 2015 20:05
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Lightbulb Out posted:Yeah, it has a shitload of front camber and almost no camber in the rear - it looks pretty well set up. It has a solid rear axle, which tends to prevent excessive rear camber. Alfaholics GTA-Rs are pretty much the definition of tastefully updated GTVs: http://www.alfaholics.com/our-cars/completed-builds/ This is a Bertone with a Japanese heart transplant that is more to my taste: http://www.rejsa.nu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32278    
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I need to hear that running in anger.  Throttle body setup looks completely custom, not even bike throttle bodies welded to the stock intake.
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May 13, 2015 20:12
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DoLittle posted:It has a solid rear axle, which tends to prevent excessive rear camber. Typically when I see a "stanced" car it has a shitload of rear camber AND front camber to fit the wheels, which can be a cue that the car isn't quite as set up as the owner would lead you to believe. Obviously with a solid rear, it makes sense that it wouldn't have much for rear camber. The car in question doesn't look too terribly stanced out or terrible. Either way, the example you posted looks loving nice.
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While we are at it: http://www.rejsa.nu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=91115&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 http://www.alfaromeo.org/Forum/tabid/141/aft/157/Default.aspx         Note the supercharger:     Edit: 845 kilograms = 1 862.90612 pounds DoLittle fucked around with this message at 20:39 on May 13, 2015 |
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May 13, 2015 20:33
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I'm surprised there is an advantage to keeping the twin spark, interesting. Front suspension mount tabs are scary, but maybe those aren't finished pictures.
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I love people itt who have no clue about going quickly and just love to post about how camber is bad hahaha. Unironically people who've never seen a race in their life but just KNOW things aren't setup "correctly". 
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This probably shouldn't be a surprise but I raced a season of mini-stocks and still don't know poo poo about suspension setup.
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Bape Culture posted:I love people itt who have no clue about going quickly and just love to post about how camber is bad hahaha. Unironically people who've never seen a race in their life but just KNOW things aren't setup "correctly".
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Bape Culture posted:I love people itt who have no clue about going quickly and just love to post about how camber is bad hahaha. Unironically people who've never seen a race in their life but just KNOW things aren't setup "correctly". Who said camber is bad?
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kimcicle posted:Just because they used good parts doesn't mean their suspension geometry (or lack thereof) is any good. Also I'm gay and I won't post about it anymore I just think it's a bit lame. Thank u
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May 13, 2015 22:17
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It's almost as if the Alfa is so super dope that people just can't stand it.
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BlackMK4 posted:How are you measuring his suspension geometry? Because it has some front camber? You want front camber in most cars for track usage in order to get even tire temperature - Alfa guys want -2*+. It looks low because it has flares bolted on. From the people I talked to, they prefer to keep it closer to -1.5. It just seems like the camber is a bit excessive, but it could be a combination of the flares / huge wheels / camera angle / etc. However, if that thing ever gets used on a track I'd eat my hat. Bape Culture posted:Also I'm gay and I won't post about it anymore I just think it's a bit lame. Thank u It's so true.
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kimcicle posted:From the people I talked to, they prefer to keep it closer to -1.5. It just seems like the camber is a bit excessive, but it could be a combination of the flares / huge wheels / camera angle / etc. However, if that thing ever gets used on a track I'd eat my hat. Depends on the suspension setup, mostly. BMWs LOVE static camber up front because they have a McPherson strut suspension design up front which reduces camber as the wheel is turned by a large amount. Something like a Corvette with dual control arms up front is able to run a much lower amount of static camber to reach the same dynamic camber as the BMW in a corner because the amount of camber removed by turning is smaller. You see track BMWs regularly running -3.5*+ of static camber. Jesus, this is hard to explain without GIFs of suspension under movement. BlackMK4 fucked around with this message at 23:09 on May 13, 2015 |
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If it's got enough camber that you can see it with your naked eye, you're either driving an F1 car or you're a douchebag.  Pretty neat car though the owner sounds like a tool regardless. Not how I would do it but I bet it's still a fun car.
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BlackMK4 posted:Depends on the suspension setup, mostly. BMWs LOVE static camber up front because they have a McPherson strut suspension design up front which reduces camber as the wheel is turned by a large amount. Something like a Corvette with dual control arms up front is able to run a much lower amount of static camber to reach the same dynamic camber as the BMW in a corner because the amount of camber removed by turning is smaller. You see track BMWs regularly running -3.5*+ of static camber. Kind of like this...  Yeah we run as much negative camber as possible in the front on the E30 race car. Sitting around -2.25 now with bent strut towers and re-drilled mounting points, still getting uneven wear.
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