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Anticheese posted:The Eldar word for human is "monkey"? Yyyyyyup. Mind, most Eldar that go with the "mon'keigh" treatment of humans wouldn't be negotiating with us right now in this position. They'd be attempting to demand, intimidate or just flat out assault us. The fact they're coming to us with a relatively open hand here means we factor into their plans into an important way somehow. So a few points I can think of: JT Jag posted:Don't just give it to them. It's collateral. We can make a deal in exchange for that soulstone. Eldar will burn worlds to recover one of those things. Hell, seems they already have. Plan JT Jag is a good first step. Be fully prepared to return it as a sign of cooperation after information is gathered, but not for free. Speaking of, Ralith posted:Whoever's listening to the wire in our book is hearing everything. Isolate or ditch it ASAP and probably notify the Eldar of the breach Waci posted:Assuming it's not them. Eldar tech is dramatically better and different than human tech. If the Eldar want to listen in on something they have pyskers and/or psychic devices, wiretaps are far too crude for them. So we can infer it's not them listening in and we also need to go with this as well. Oh, and seek specific clarification from the Eldar about the "great truths", the 'daughter of Hera' title, and the Chaos-fighting Eldar-assisting 'mon-keigh' the book supposedly mentions.
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Eldar... Prophecies... The "she" that they mention is us, isn't she? This is one of their loving we know you'll know games that end with our brain on a spike somewhere.
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May 13, 2015 11:00
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Ah, combat, something we can handle. Open up with the vortex grenade to the leader (try and get at least another in the blast radius) and take out another with our digi-ring. Then fall back to cover and call for our minion reinforcements to try and flank them from the rear.
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May 13, 2015 13:44
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I've got no idea what they mean by Daughter of Hera. Thay can't mean Athena, she sprung fully grown from Zeus' mind. Need to revisit Greek mythology (which is great because I love it anyway). I suppose we could just ask the Eldar but that's no fun.
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May 13, 2015 13:50
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Daughter of Mars: symbolic as a warrior? Daughter of Hera: Eris? Strange that they swap between greek and roman.
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May 13, 2015 15:35
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"I am no daughter of Mars. Hera has no claim on me. I am a child of Athena, and we find you Xenos wanting." Crush the stone, sound the alarm. Their treacherous filth defiles the ground of the holy one.
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May 13, 2015 16:06
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Arkanomen posted:"I am no daughter of Mars. Hera has no claim on me. I am a child of Athena, and we find you Xenos wanting." Crush the stone, sound the alarm. Their treacherous filth defiles the ground of the holy one.
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May 13, 2015 16:51
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I ALMOST want to say "So you seen the future and planned this happening? Did you foresee...this?" followed by playing "Got yer nose" with the Eldar. Terrible idea, but I almost want to do it.
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May 13, 2015 17:02
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Ralith posted:But this isn't Athena's ground at all? Being an AI cultist is great and all but I think the Eldar might actually be valuable allies in our quest to support Athena. Let's not be hasty. Every step we take reclaims the land of the most holy one.
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Tomn posted:I ALMOST want to say "So you seen the future and planned this happening? Did you foresee...this?" followed by playing "Got yer nose" with the Eldar. "Daughter of Mars, Daughter of Hera... yes. Yes, we forsaw that as well." *audible sigh*
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May 13, 2015 17:06
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How big is the stone? Could we swallow it?
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May 13, 2015 17:08
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Perhaps we could get our Eldar friends to help us destroy the monster Athena :P
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May 13, 2015 17:31
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the "Daughter of Mars" thing at least, probably refers to use being a Tech-priest, seeing that the Mechanicus has their headquarters on Mars. Something I would like everyone to consider is how the Inquisitors reacted to Miriam on tape: LowellDND posted:Black and white, a poor quality recording. You recognized a cargo bay of your ship - dozens of crates being filled and loaded with the Family files. Records, documents, books going back millenia. A few scribes were there, and Inquisitorial Guards watching them. It also fits with her unclear age, difficult to place accent and generally archaic, maybe even ancient clothing: LowellDND posted:She was garbed in archaic gear, all azure and pearl, with the old regalia and symbols of a Regiment you didn’t recognize. Miriam looked good for her age, whatever it was, although you couldn’t see any signs of Rejuv treatment. Instead, she had the smooth skin of good genetics, black hair falling from her in a careful ponytail. She looked at you through rectangular glasses, half buried in a fortress of books, and then glanced to her side. Relaxed and easy in the shadows, Sister Suffer. You could see her chainsaw held comfortably between her knees. What I think we should do: - indicate through non-audible means the presence of the wire to the Eldar (hand gestures, writing on the 40K version of an iPad, something along those lines) - if they don't have any countermeasures (they likely have) get the book somewhere out of the way and then talk to them - ask them how they want to help us and what our role will be fighting She who thirsts (This is apparently Slaanesh they are talking about there) - try to find out what is so important about the staff that everyone is after it
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sheep-dodger posted:(...writing on the 40K version of an iPad, something along those lines) ...Or a piece of paper. Man, we're definitely Tech-Priests.
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May 13, 2015 17:42
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dog kisser posted:...Or a piece of paper. The Tech-Priests of Mars spent billions of Thrones on countless expeditions to recover the one true STC for a zero-gravity writing implement. The Death Korps of Krieg just stabbed themselves with their bayonet and used the bloodied tip to inscribe their messages.
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There was a slice of life with the rogue trader eating dinner with Ohone's mom, right? The Eldar are probably Ohone's mom.
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Brownview posted:There was a slice of life with the rogue trader eating dinner with Ohone's mom, right?
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May 13, 2015 18:43
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Oasx posted:It is a given that the Eldar are here to further their own goals, that might very well be good for us, and if it isn't we have no real way of knowing that until later. Pretty sure the Tau do and just don't like anybody to know.
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May 13, 2015 19:37
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Anticheese posted:The Eldar word for human is "monkey"? Yup. Also the Tau word for humans is "Gue'la", ie "gorilla." it's sort of a running joke with GW.
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jng2058 posted:Yup. Also the Tau word for humans is "Gue'la", ie "gorilla." it's sort of a running joke with GW. Gue'la isn't based on gorilla, it's based on Gweilo. Just for that added touch of IRL racism.
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May 13, 2015 19:51
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Aww yiss check out that 40k workstation And finals are over 
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May 13, 2015 22:26
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LowellDND posted:Aww yiss check out that 40k workstation Awwww yeah. For the record, I like it when we have cool combat scenes. I'd love an arc where we do nothing but investigate mysteries on the ship with some secondary characters, to be honest.
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May 13, 2015 22:36
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LowellDND posted:Aww yiss check out that 40k workstation
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May 13, 2015 22:58
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My wedding invitation! That's an interesting point about Miriam, I'm starting to get very interested in her background. As for what to do, sheep-dodger posted:What I think we should do: sniper4625 fucked around with this message at 01:24 on May 14, 2015 |
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May 13, 2015 23:02
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I have to say, I'm really enjoying how Lowell's writing our paranoia.
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May 13, 2015 23:04
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sheep-dodger posted:What I think we should do: This is a pretty good plan. Eldar are tremendous dicks to humans and at no point should we actually trust them not to omit the part where we and our ship get sacrificed to possibly save the life of some Eldar schmuck accountant from maybe getting the flu 300 years in the future and causing a minor inconvenience. We need to know what game we're playing before we can discuss strategies and getting these guys to cough up some details (even if they are flowery, cryptic, and mostly lies) will at least be a starting point. We should definitely mention the staff (without anyone listening in) and really emphasize how THEY can help US and not the other way around.
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May 14, 2015 01:19
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Voting for Plan sheep-dodger.
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To give a little context, Craftworld Eldar like these pointy eared jerks tend to be fixated on prophecy and acting out a pre-determined sequence of events. The reason for this is the fact that they're led by literally precognitive sorcerers, and they're terrified of deviating from the course those "Farseers" lay out. If Ohone really is integral to one of these prophetic visions, they'll go to extreme lengths to see her play whatever part they intend. Whether that's to our benefit or not is hard to say though.
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VanSandman posted:Awwww yeah. Spinoff thread: two brothers tool around the Beast in a
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Chantilly Say posted:Spinoff thread: two brothers tool around the Beast in a Oh man now I really want to write this one too 
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LowellDND posted:Oh man now I really want to write this one too I would read a thread with that premise.
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Tran posted:To give a little context, Craftworld Eldar like these pointy eared jerks tend to be fixated on prophecy and acting out a pre-determined sequence of events. The reason for this is the fact that they're led by literally precognitive sorcerers, and they're terrified of deviating from the course those "Farseers" lay out. If Ohone really is integral to one of these prophetic visions, they'll go to extreme lengths to see her play whatever part they intend. Whether that's to our benefit or not is hard to say though. Don't forget that the visions are sometimes imperfect. Also that they care as much about human casualties as you care about cockroach casualties in your house. Add to that, many Eldar choose to go out of their way to dick over humans for fun and bragging rights, especially corsairs and harlequins.
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You know, come to think of it, it's pretty funny that after responding to a poll with talk about how inscrutable the Inquisitors are and how it feels hard to know who to trust...we get hit with the Eldar.
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sheep-dodger posted:What I think we should do:  Also for the record, Daughter of Mars is just their ridiculously overwrought way of mentioning Ohone's status as a tekpriest. Daughter of Hera is likely a reference to Athena and our connection. The fact that they probably know that link is also incredibly dangerous to our well being. If push comes to shove, the space elves will likely lean on this to enforce compliance.
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Iiiiinteresting. Consider my interest piqued. "Daughter of Hera" is the first thing I'd want to learn about as a fan of Greek mythology. Next I'd want to ask about the staff, and if they can help us find it (or point us to an appropriate quest giver). Deal with the wire first, though, of course.
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Given what Tran posted, I vote that a secondary objective be that we find out what their precious prophecy says and do what we can to stop if coming true.
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LowellDND posted:Oh man now I really want to write this one too And he did it! http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3720021
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Outrail posted:Given what Tran posted, I vote that a secondary objective be that we find out what their precious prophecy says and do what we can to stop if coming true. I vote that we don't make decisions about how to react to things before we know what they are. Just because it benefits the eldar in some way doesn't mean it can't also benefit us at the same time.
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