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My wife grew up driving a manual vehicle of one sort or another, went 10 years without driving a manual, and now she's the one to call if you ever need to burn out a clutch on a gentle hill.
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I learned stick in a deuce-and-a-half grain truck with an Allison Super 10. I really learned stick in a Ford Ranger in rush-hour traffic in Lawton, OK when two brake lines decided to blow at the same time, and all my tools were on the other side of town, and I was too stupid to pull over and call someone for help. Paying attention to my shifting plus judicious use of the e-brake got me home that day.
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May 15, 2015 01:51
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Ragnarok the Red posted:Dude if I still lived anywhere near Dallas I'd take you up on that. I've finally convinced my dad to teach me stick after like 15 years and he's still somewhat reluctant about it. I'm pretty sure a small econobox is the best car to learn on. More because they don't really have enough power to roast a clutch unless you're actually trying to roast it, and tend to have pretty light clutches. You either get it moving, or it stalls. Said coworker actually agreed with me on the small car bit - the car he's trying to get is a 2013 V8 Mustang, which will probably be a bit less forgiving (can't say for sure, the only Mustang I've driven was a 1998 with a 5 speed/V6). You can actually work the clutch in my car with a single toe (I've tried), it's that light. Though it's gotten to be a bit bitchy when it's cold (first mile or so after sitting overnight) - but it does have almost 115k on it (got it with 66k, almost all the miles I've put on it have been doing pizza delivery). It just gets really grabby when it's stone cold, once it's warmed up a bit it's no longer an on/off switch and goes back to feeling brand new. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 15, 2015 01:55
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The correct way to learn manual is working the car wash operation at a UPS facility. 5.13:1 (or higher) gears with a four speed with no synchros, and a four foot long gear lever. Drifting delivery trucks in the rain was pretty much SOP.
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May 15, 2015 03:32
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it is insanely cool to me that about every 10 pages in just about every thread in AI there's a whole page devoted to a bunch of idiot americans boasting about driving manual it's just a loving car get over yourselves (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 15, 2015 07:10
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corn in the fridge posted:idiot americans boasting You could have just used "Americans" instead of being so redundant. show us on the doll where the  touched you(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 15, 2015 07:14
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Powershift posted:or to rev match, It has no tachometer and I don't think he's too keen on the idea of treating an 80-year-old transmission as a crashbox
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May 15, 2015 07:25
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Beach Bum posted:show us on the doll where the  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 15, 2015 09:33
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corn in the fridge posted:it is insanely cool to me that about every 10 pages in just about every thread in AI there's a whole page devoted to a bunch of idiot americans boasting about driving manual it's just a loving car get over yourselves Agreed. Most of the rest of the world is just now getting autos as a regular thing. My stepmom (who is in her 60's) was excited recently to finally be able to purchase an automatic Hyundai Elantra in Brasil.
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May 15, 2015 11:50
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kastein posted:I learned to sit at lights with the trans in gear and my foot on the clutch because of that. Fortunately didn't take too long to break that habit. I keep the clutch in and trans in first at stops on every manual car I've owned for the 20 years or so I've been driving stick and have yet to have a throwout bearing go bad on me even on cars with 200+k* on the original TOB.. I've replaced them twice purely as preventative maintenance, and both times were when the clutch plate itself was worn out, just because it's easy to do as preventative maintenance when you're already in there. This is the dumbest automotive urban myth and it definitely belongs in this thread. *the truck I learned to drive stick in had around 250k when I first started driving it and over 300k on it when I got rid of it (still ran fine), on the original clutch and TOB it had from the factory.
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May 15, 2015 17:14
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I was taught the car should always be in gear under the theory that if I was incapacitated somehow, the vehicle won't be able to roll around. I guess the idea is if I pass out my foot slips off the clutch and the engine stalls. In hindsight I can't imagine any situation where it would actually matter. But that's what I was taught.
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May 15, 2015 17:17
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HotCanadianChick posted:I keep the clutch in and trans in first at stops on every manual car I've owned for the 20 years or so I've been driving stick and have yet to have a throwout bearing go bad on me even on cars with 200+k* on the original TOB.. I've replaced them twice purely as preventative maintenance, and both times were when the clutch plate itself was worn out, just because it's easy to do as preventative maintenance when you're already in there. How huge is your left leg? I stay in neutral because I don't feel like getting a workout on just my left leg.
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May 15, 2015 17:20
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veedubfreak posted:How huge is your left leg? I stay in neutral because I don't feel like getting a workout on just my left leg. Pfft the clutch on modern vehicles is so light even in stop and go traffic it fails to qualify as a workout. Breathe on the pedal and it drops to the floor.
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May 15, 2015 17:22
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xzzy posted:Pfft the clutch on modern vehicles is so light even in stop and go traffic it fails to qualify as a workout. Breathe on the pedal and it drops to the floor.
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May 15, 2015 17:26
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xzzy posted:Pfft the clutch on modern vehicles is so light even in stop and go traffic it fails to qualify as a workout. Breathe on the pedal and it drops to the floor. ....that really comes down to how your clutch is designed, there are plenty of modern cars with heavy clutches.
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May 15, 2015 17:26
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xzzy posted:I was taught the car should always be in gear under the theory that if I was incapacitated somehow, the vehicle won't be able to roll around. I guess the idea is if I pass out my foot slips off the clutch and the engine stalls. A lot of jurisdictions require you by law to be in gear while sitting at intersections or lights (not that they can really enforce it). It's also an automatic fail on a Class A CDL driving test if you don''t keep it in gear (downshifting) while coming to a stop, or leave it in neutral while stopped. CommieGIR posted:....that really comes down to how your clutch is designed, there are plenty of modern cars with heavy clutches. Yup, the heaviest clutch in any car I've owned is in my current 2004 BMW. The clutches in the 80's Toyotas I used to have were super light in comparison, even the one in my 1987 Supra, which had the same displacement engine as my BMW and had to hold similar amounts of power. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 15, 2015 17:35
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HotCanadianChick posted:Yup, the heaviest clutch in any car I've owned is in my current 2004 BMW. The clutches in the 80's Toyotas I used to have were super light in comparison, even the one in my 1987 Supra, which had the same displacement engine as my BMW and had to hold similar amounts of power. Exactly. Its mostly because the actual weight to the clutch is the pressure plate being withdrawn and re-applied, and depending upon the power output of the engine, the pressure plate may be weaker/stronger, it can even come down to the shape of the pressure plate forks and how much angular force is needed to compress. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 15, 2015 17:39
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HotCanadianChick posted:I keep the clutch in and trans in first at stops on every manual car I've owned for the 20 years or so I've been driving stick and have yet to have a throwout bearing go bad on me even on cars with 200+k* on the original TOB.. I've replaced them twice purely as preventative maintenance, and both times were when the clutch plate itself was worn out, just because it's easy to do as preventative maintenance when you're already in there. Well thanks for allllllllll that, i'm sure we're all going to take your anecdotal experience as fact now.
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May 15, 2015 17:49
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BraveUlysses posted:Well thanks for allllllllll that, i'm sure we're all going to take your anecdotal experience as fact now. It's also been my anecdotal experience that you don't need to change your oil every 3000 miles in a modern car, and that buying gas early in the morning when it's cold doesn't give you more gas because it's denser, does that make those also not urban myths? E: more to the point, can you show me any credible source that's not purely anecdotal that leaving the clutch in at a stop is bad? I've never seen any owners manual or other trustworthy literature say that you shouldn't do it, only shadetree 'mechanics' who quote it as wisdom handed down from the gods but can't actually say where they actually heard it. e2: VVVVVV No, fortunately we are largely spared the horrors of French cars here in the US. VVVVVVV Militant Lesbian fucked around with this message at 18:02 on May 15, 2015 |
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May 15, 2015 17:51
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HotCanadianChick posted:I keep the clutch in and trans in first at stops on every manual car I've owned for the 20 years or so I've been driving stick and have yet to have a throwout bearing go bad on me even on cars with 200+k* on the original TOB.. I've replaced them twice purely as preventative maintenance, and both times were when the clutch plate itself was worn out, just because it's easy to do as preventative maintenance when you're already in there. you've obviously never driven a Peugeot
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May 15, 2015 17:54
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As far as what vehicle to learn on, I don't think a econobox is best, I would prefer a V-8 with more torque that is harder to stall the motor. I learned how to drive a stick on a diesel F-350, stalling the motor was not an option. One reasoning I have heard is that if you leave the transmission in gear, with the clutch engaged, then all of the gears in the transmission will be still and this won't cause lubrication to flow and lubricate bearings or something. Conversely, some cars might not have a synchronized first gear thus making it easier and safer to shift into first gear while your coming to a stop. In the end, I just don't really care either way. If I am on a motorcycle, then of course I shift to first since it's easier to shift when still moving, kinda difficult to shift to neutral, and I have never heard anyone recommend shifting to neutral while stopped on a bike. Although I will admit to being tempted to shift to neutral at stop lights simply because the clutch I have requires enough force that long red lights kinda suck, they really suck if I am behind someone afraid to make a left turn forcing me to wait through another light cycle. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 15, 2015 18:02
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if only there were some sort of automation that could control your transmission or something, to take all the guesswork and human error from the process. sadly, i fear it would never catch on.
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May 15, 2015 18:08
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Wasabi the J posted:if only there were some sort of automation that could control your transmission or something, to take all the guesswork and human error from the process. Burn the HERETIC. My 68 bug had the wrong sized bowden tube and a 1700lb Kennedy pressure plate. I actually had one of my clutch pedals break. That's why I learned to use neutral.  After I broke the first clutch pedal (2nd or third cable at that point) we decided to figure out why the clutch was so friggin hard to press. The bowden tube was too long so the cable was constantly rubbing against it making it way harder to disengage the clutch than it should have been.
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May 15, 2015 18:34
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Wrong thread. but for terrible car stuff i can tell you that the price for a 21" Tesla Turbine wheel is...ca your first born
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May 15, 2015 22:15
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HotCanadianChick posted:e2: VVVVVV No, fortunately we are largely spared the horrors of French cars here in the US. VVVVVVV I watched Zoolander last night and now I kind of want a Citroen SM though
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May 15, 2015 22:24
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xzzy posted:Pfft the clutch on modern vehicles is so light even in stop and go traffic it fails to qualify as a workout. Breathe on the pedal and it drops to the floor. The Viper's clutch is shockingly easy to operate, it's less of a challenge than the M3's was. Of all the cars I didn't expect that in, the Viper is at the top of the list, part of the reason I didn't realize the clutch was screwed up when I got the new car.
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May 16, 2015 03:17
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Is the customer vehicle a GM, a VAG, or a Chery?
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May 16, 2015 05:05
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Had to stop at Walmart to get some heat shrink butt splices tonight, forgot what a magnet their parking lot is for terrible car stuff... At least they classed it up by color-matching the wheels to the "Limited" badge.  Click for big it says "THE BOSS" on the door.
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May 16, 2015 06:34
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I don't understand what this means.
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May 16, 2015 06:41
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Sweet uh, raptor... bro 
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May 16, 2015 07:28
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eyebeem posted:Sweet uh, raptor... bro  saw one of these spray painted in black and thought it was hilarious built OOOO tough
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May 16, 2015 07:38
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razorscooter posted:
That's a Casio Audi logo
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May 16, 2015 10:04
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CharlesM posted:I don't understand what this means. My interpretation is they want the odometer rolled back.
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May 16, 2015 15:09
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Idiot owner pressure washes the interior of his Mercedes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUgvSdsGy80
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May 16, 2015 16:12
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Geoj posted:Had to stop at Walmart to get some heat shrink butt splices tonight, forgot what a magnet their parking lot is for terrible car stuff... I always think hail damage when I see this, but someone on here told me that oldsters in FL have this done on purpose to otherwise undamaged vehicles.
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May 16, 2015 16:57
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Motronic posted:I always think hail damage when I see this, but someone on here told me that oldsters in FL have this done on purpose to otherwise undamaged vehicles. Correct. Check out the new inventory of any dealership in Palm Springs. Everywhere.
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May 16, 2015 17:25
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razorscooter posted:
There's no excuse for this now that someone makes an aftermarket Raptoid grille that looks just like the original - you can even order F, R, and D instead of just O!
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May 16, 2015 17:53
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N is for Nipples posted:There's no excuse for this now that someone makes an aftermarket Raptoid grille that looks just like the original - you can even order F, R, and D instead of just O! Can you make it say "DOOF"?
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FRODO Maybe with a little help from a laser cutter.
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