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TheresaJayne posted:Metal Blocks never seem to melt either, you need to split blocks into ingots to make them melt. Huh? The smeltery melts alumite blocks just fine. Which metal blocks does it not?
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The only time the smeltery has ever gotten "stuck" melting items for me is when TPS was below 20. The progress bar is clientside, but the progress is server-side. So if TPS is below 20, the progress bar desynchs. This is obviously more pronounced with items that take longer to melt, like blocks.
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Is OMPi supposed to take 15 minutes to load since the update? I thought it'd be a one-time thing after I updated it, but this is the second time and it's taking forever. God help me if this crashes.
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BJPaskoff posted:Is OMPi supposed to take 15 minutes to load since the update? I thought it'd be a one-time thing after I updated it, but this is the second time and it's taking forever. God help me if this crashes. I don't think I ever saw that with the few iterations of it I have been trying since the update. The log would probably be useful. Is it clear that it's actually doing new things, or does it look like it's stuck on something? In the former, it should be at least somewhat clear that somewhere in the logs, messages became infrequent, and one could look at what happened before that to infer what happened. If it's hanging somewhere, the last few statements in the log probably has the scene of the crime. I've been toying with OMPi because I wasn't really in the mood to start a public BFSR server, and I wanted to try some of the extended mods to see if I should augment my pack. So I've been limping through some of this too. McFrugal posted:The only time the smeltery has ever gotten "stuck" melting items for me is when TPS was below 20. The progress bar is clientside, but the progress is server-side. So if TPS is below 20, the progress bar desynchs. This is obviously more pronounced with items that take longer to melt, like blocks. I can confirm this when we were playing at the work team building event. I had thought the smeltery was broken, but another team apparently got some ore through. In our case, the ore had reached 100% according to the client, but that information somehow wasn't getting across the network, so it would never turn into molten metal. Vib Rib posted:Stone tool heads, for instance, take 1 degree of heat more than a smeltery can reach, so it just sits in there at "almost done" status and eats up lava, never turning into liquid seared stone. I really should start smelting cobblestone. I like making 7x7 smelteries, and it's a pain to get them started.
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BJPaskoff posted:Is OMPi supposed to take 15 minutes to load since the update? I thought it'd be a one-time thing after I updated it, but this is the second time and it's taking forever. God help me if this crashes. I have this issue as well.
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Yeah you should probably see if you can give more info because it runs and loads just fine for me and stealtharcher is looking for all the feedback he can get.
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May 20, 2015 18:12
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Should I wait for it too boot? I'm currently 18 minutes in, and 98 / 234 mods are loaded.
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May 20, 2015 18:29
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TheresaJayne posted:There is a spawner under the haybale so if you have cardboard boxes you can box up that spawner and re-use it for mob drops and XP Given the absence of Mekanism, use a diamond dolly for this.
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Turtlicious posted:Should I wait for it too boot? I'm currently 18 minutes in, and 98 / 234 mods are loaded. Turts, just how terribad is your computer, honestly. E: Seriously, nobody is having load times like this. Is this a 2004-era toaster or what? E2: Are you allocating an actual amount of RAM? You need at least 2GB and should give it 3. Or are you stuck with an unbelievable amount, like the Xbox One the third Xbox? StealthArcher fucked around with this message at 18:40 on May 20, 2015 |
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Lizard Wizard posted:Given the absence of Mekanism, use a diamond dolly for this. OMP-i also has ender IO which has it's own entire spawner mechanic. If you break a normal spawner, you get a broken one you can use in an ender IO device. I haven't tried it yet but it sounds neat.
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StealthArcher posted:Turts, just how terribad is your computer, honestly. Another person stated they had the same issue. Not two posts ago. I have a Lenovo y410p The Cpu is an I7-4700MQ The video card is Nvidia 755m I've got 8 gigs of ram. The game is still loading right now, It's on 2 Loading Entity Renderer, and it's been about 40 minutes. http://pastebin.com/5WgZnQJY Here's a log, I'm going to quit out and see if something is wrong with my settings. E: I have 4 gigs of Ram given on my system, and 8 gigs total, I'm using java U_45. Task manager says that the game is only using 2 gigs of ram to boot, but that's normal for me. Turtlicious fucked around with this message at 18:51 on May 20, 2015 |
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The ftb reddit has similar posts of other modpacks with loading issues, apparently some version of forge has an issue where it gets stuck in a loop if you're viewing the window while it attempts to load. Try minimizing the window and see if it loads faster?
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May 20, 2015 18:56
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I was going to post this earlier, but I'm dumb. Can someone break down the whole temperature mechanic in Tinker's Construct for me?
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May 20, 2015 19:02
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chrisf posted:The ftb reddit has similar posts of other modpacks with loading issues, apparently some version of forge has an issue where it gets stuck in a loop if you're viewing the window while it attempts to load. Try minimizing the window and see if it loads faster? At first I thought this was typical computer snake oil, and then it loving worked. drat.
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At this thread's suggestion, I decided to get OMP i. But there's no server download link on the page. Does that mean I should just conjure up my own? vvv: I don't have the issue with minimized thing, but having to set up my own server is going to be a pain I bet. Truga fucked around with this message at 19:35 on May 20, 2015 |
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May 20, 2015 19:29
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Yeah, also launch it minimized it loads like 500x faster. E: Is there an xinput mod for minecraft? Specifically modded minecraft?
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Truga posted:At this thread's suggestion, I decided to get OMP i. But there's no server download link on the page. Does that mean I should just conjure up my own? I, too, would be interested in an OMP-i server download. Also, Stealth Archer, are you planning on making any more big changes to the pack? I see it's on version 2.0.0_3 now, any more tweaks or is it stable?
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Truga posted:At this thread's suggestion, I decided to get OMP i. But there's no server download link on the page. Does that mean I should just conjure up my own? If you do, please share with the rest of us.
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Cantorsdust posted:I, too, would be interested in an OMP-i server download. Also, Stealth Archer, are you planning on making any more big changes to the pack? I see it's on version 2.0.0_3 now, any more tweaks or is it stable? 2.0.0_3_1 is without DimDoors, 2.0.0_3 is with. This should be a mostly ongoing set of stuff. Any further updates should be config and script poo poo, for a while.
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OMP-I is still in the process of bug squashing, so there's no server download yet. We're killing dim doors now, cause it's a bad port. Wish StevenS would return to modding and give us a real version.
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Oh, cool, I kinda missed all that. I'll wait for a bit then. Can always host as lan on my own box.
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:How did it break? Alkydere posted:Are you playing single player, or are you playing on Stealth Archer's server? That it is actually sewage makes me more suspect of the large lake of it that's clipped into the center of the village. Sort your poo poo out, guys.
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Enzer posted:There was a ton of internal changes to 1.8 including how rendering works and what rendering methods were valid to use. 1.8 uses a very strict rendering method which makes implementing some mods not possible, for example the carpenters block mod, according to its dev, is not possible without certain rendering options so he can't update to 1.8 (if this is actually true, I'm unsure, it might be possible but could be incredibly time consuming). Hey thanks a lot for the detailed response. So while it's not impossible to convert most things over to the 1.8 format, it requires learning a totally different method, and a complete recode of basic stuff, combined with people not wanting to commit to the new method if it was likely to change soon. I sort of also wonder if a lot of people decided to wait for the promised modding API (ha ha).
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I trust microsoft to make minecraft epic. The rumored additions in 1.9 all but state notch was holding everyone back
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Mzbundifund posted:Hey thanks a lot for the detailed response. So while it's not impossible to convert most things over to the 1.8 format, it requires learning a totally different method, and a complete recode of basic stuff, combined with people not wanting to commit to the new method if it was likely to change soon. I sort of also wonder if a lot of people decided to wait for the promised modding API (ha ha). Pretty much, there was a bunch of hooting from a few devs that the new blockstate.json stuff was going to result in gigs work of files for things like tubes or complex blocks, Lex of Forge basically said that they are all idiots if they think that. The dev behind Thaumcraft was pretty firmly in the anti-1.8 group, but has started work on his 1.8 version and Thaumcraft pulls a lot of different graphical poo poo so if that mod can update to 1.8 intact, a good deal of the rest of them can and its more a matter, for the majority of mods, of time and effort. I don't expect every mod to update because some people just don't want to gently caress with it, but we are already starting to see brand new mods that are filling in feature gaps from the more massive mods that are missing. For example DrCyano has a mod called Power Advantage that has a very simplified item conveyers (  ) which can pull items from inventories and push filtered items into other inventories, fluid machines ( ) which can drain water from an above source, transport and either insert it into storage or an accepting machine or eject the water out into the world, and a steam powered base machine setup that involves producing steam to power what is essentially a macerator and a 3 slot fast processing furnace.     . Power Advantage shows that what a lot of people were worried about in regards to ,json issues are perfectly doable.
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Enzer posted:Pretty much, there was a bunch of hooting from a few devs that the new blockstate.json stuff was going to result in gigs work of files for things like tubes or complex blocks, Lex of Forge basically said that they are all idiots if they think that. The dev behind Thaumcraft was pretty firmly in the anti-1.8 group, but has started work on his 1.8 version and Thaumcraft pulls a lot of different graphical poo poo so if that mod can update to 1.8 intact, a good deal of the rest of them can and its more a matter, for the majority of mods, of time and effort. I don't expect every mod to update because some people just don't want to gently caress with it, but we are already starting to see brand new mods that are filling in feature gaps from the more massive mods that are missing. For example DrCyano has a mod called Power Advantage that has a very simplified item conveyers ( Ok, so, maybe I'm just stupid about this stuff but..wouldn't skipping 1.8 present the exact same issue as converting to 1.8? I'm not aware of any system changes they made in 1.8 that are going away in 1.9, so they would still have to convert everything anyway.
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Magmarashi posted:Ok, so, maybe I'm just stupid about this stuff but..wouldn't skipping 1.8 present the exact same issue as converting to 1.8? I'm not aware of any system changes they made in 1.8 that are going away in 1.9, so they would still have to convert everything anyway. By looking at what's needed to upgrade from 1.8 to 1.9 they'll be able to better decide whether its worth it.
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Ghostlight posted:I made the rocket but the quest book wouldn't recognise it even with manual detect and me putting it down and picking it back up. At that point I figured I'd all but gone to the moon and had a good catch-up on the automation side of things which is what I wanted, so I decided I was done.
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Basically it boils down to it's a LOT of effort to update a 1.7 mod to 1.8, so people are holding off until it's actually worth doing (as in, enough other mods have updated). 1.8 -> 1.9 is not nearly as big of a jump, but since it's supposedly out soon that's just another reason to wait. Otherwise 1.8 has a lot of very good things for mods.
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:Did you build it with a built-in chest or anything? I never had problems with a base tier-1 rocket, but I suspect one with the extra chest in it could have different data attached. I can check my detection rules and make it looser because of that, but I would love to be able to exactly reproduce it tonight and see that it's something I can fix.
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MechaCrash posted:If you use a stirling generator from Ender IO and upgrade it with an octadic capacitor, then you can turn a stack of coal blocks into about 55 million RF if you burn it. If you take this same stack of coal blocks and turn it into syngas, however, then you get about 22.6 million RF. It's true that octadic capacitors are a pain in the rear end to make, but Advanced Generators still take up a shitload of iron and are pretty bulky. You can get 63 million RF from burning that as liquifacted coal in an Advanced Generator. Each coal is 100 milibuckets, which is 111,100 RF, each coal block is 9, and a stack of coal blocks is 64, so that's 576 coal, at 111,100 RF which is 63,993,600, minus the energy of melting the coal. Melting the coal dust is 4,608,000. Crushing it is 1,382,400. So you net 58,003,200 RF if you process the same coal with Thermal Expansion and don't upgrade any machines or use more efficient mods. Meanwhile with biofuel you're running 16 generators that can peak at 2560 Rf a trick, instead of one multiblock which is easier on the server that can do 5000 RF/Tick and has a built in 50 million RF reservoir. Then, you can also build a heat exchange to produce steam, which you can then use to run a steam turbine of Advanced Generators or Big Reactors type, so number wise Advanced Generators are on par with any other power source, and provide a nice bridge to building your giant reactor that needs 10 turbines to run at 100%.
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:You can get 63 million RF from burning that as liquifacted coal in an Advanced Generator. This is really good! Can you do a writeup of Advanced Generator steam turbines vs Big Reactors turbines?
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Yeah, do a Big Reactor Turbine if you can. Advanced generator turbines are not nearly as efficent, but they only take iron really. Early on before you have a lot of cyanite to build a full sized Big Reactor turbine it'd work, but you'd be better off using passive reactors or something else. The steam generation of Advanced Generators is pretty good though, I'm trying one out now to run Big Reactor Turbines on. edit: It's also worth noting on the previous point that syngas is more for producing with wood and byproducts than it is actual coal. A log produces the same amount of carbon as coal does, after all. You might as well feed it that, or sugar charcoal, or other easily grown things. I haven't done the numbers, but woodpulp could stretch it further, not sure what the best way of generating that is. Killer-of-Lawyers fucked around with this message at 01:43 on May 21, 2015 |
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chrisf posted:The ftb reddit has similar posts of other modpacks with loading issues, apparently some version of forge has an issue where it gets stuck in a loop if you're viewing the window while it attempts to load. Try minimizing the window and see if it loads faster? This is witchcraft. (It worked.)
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Enzer posted:There was a ton of internal changes to 1.8 including how rendering works and what rendering methods were valid to use. 1.8 uses a very strict rendering method which makes implementing some mods not possible, for example the carpenters block mod, according to its dev, is not possible without certain rendering options so he can't update to 1.8 (if this is actually true, I'm unsure, it might be possible but could be incredibly time consuming). Well Pixelmonmod has upgraded to 1.8 and apart from some complaints from the model makers about the new format it has all been possible. the one we are not looking forward to is the 1.9 upgrade as it will require knowledge of the new rendering system they are putting in (to improve rendering and make it less laggy) Ho Hum, Back to Battle code....
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So along with Blightfall, I've been playing on an FTB Infinity server with some friends and the only mod I know my way around somewhat well by now would be Tinker's Construct...I've pretty much fallen in love with the armor set. That said, I cracked open this black sphere thing made out of skystone and got some parts for 'Applied Energistics 2' which has made me curious about it, what's it about and how easy is it to get into?
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Alkydere posted:Thaumcraft, Blood Magic, and Botania seem to be the best magic mods. They're basically esoteric tech mods hidden behind "maaaagic!", though Thaumcraft has an annoying research aspect to it. It's not like the poo poo in Thaumcraft is FREE once you research it. You still have to actually create it with vis and resources and essentia and poo poo. Thermal Expansion doesn't make you collect Ore Points to research machine frames before you can craft them. Blood Magic makes you pay for stuff with blood but you don't need to travel the world taking blood samples from various blocks to learn about them first. It's just so tedious now. I view it like I do Mystcraft's page collection: Kinda fun the first time, but not something I want to do every loving time I start a new world or modpack. Lizard Wizard posted:I was going to post this earlier, but I'm dumb. Can someone break down the whole temperature mechanic in Tinker's Construct for me? However, I believe the smelter can't heat any item up to over 800C, so anything that's listed at "801C" (like stone tool heads) will never smelt down. They'll stay at 99% forever and just waste lava as the smeltery tries to stay hot.
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