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Mornacale posted:No, they are immune to watchers and trackers. On n2 you did neither, and on n4 you say the godfather did the nightkill. 1) i don't want to go down the well of role spec to obfuscate here. I've already said no one role description fits the remaining scum 2) that's a narrow definition in a game where I can get copies of people's pms
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Met posted:Huh. My mistake there. Exactly. 
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May 22, 2015 23:16
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Tremendous Taste posted:1) i don't want to go down the well of role spec to obfuscate here. I've already said no one role description fits the remaining scum I am not asking you why I'm not cleared, I am asking Met, who has made it perfectly clear that he DOES want to go down the well of role speculation.
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May 22, 2015 23:17
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Like, if Met wants to be considered cleared because "Asiina wouldn't make a game with no town protective role because it would be unfair" while voting me on the suspicion that I'm a ninja who's immune to Taste's eavesdropper role (but doesn't know about it) but still allowed the godfather to make the kill on night four for ~reasons~, I would like that on record.
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May 22, 2015 23:19
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Mornacale posted:Like, if Met wants to be considered cleared because "Asiina wouldn't make a game with no town protective role because it would be unfair" while voting me on the suspicion that I'm a ninja who's immune to Taste's eavesdropper role (but doesn't know about it) but still allowed the godfather to make the kill on night four for ~reasons~, I would like that on record. fair, it's why i'm trying not to pin down roles or really clear anyone short of amni
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King Burgundy posted:Exactly. If there's 2 scum and one is among Viva/Amni/Runa then it won't work. But that's the same problem you had with my plan.
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May 22, 2015 23:21
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but then I don't consider met cleared either
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May 22, 2015 23:21
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I'm fine with getting dunked but I want to make drat sure that me being town makes Met and Tremendous Taste look extraordinarily bad.
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May 22, 2015 23:23
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if you get lynched it's because you made it possible, not a scum twirling his/her moustache
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It would also be pretty cool if Runaktla could explain why we should consider him more cleared than me.
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Tremendous Taste posted:if you get lynched it's because you made it possible, not a scum twirling his/her moustache Interesting how your entire case against me is that I cased a crewman (and didn't even dunk them), but you're pre-emptively setting up a defense for when you lead a dunk on a town that your own role gives evidence for being crew.
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May 22, 2015 23:26
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Met posted:If there's 2 scum and one is among Viva/Amni/Runa then it won't work. But that's the same problem you had with my plan. Yup, sure. But we've already agreed that if Amni is scum it isn't our fault, so gently caress it. And I've made my peace with Viva/Runa. If they are scum, fair play to them. Viva especially has a lot in her favor making that super unlikely so I'm accepting the cop claims at face value.
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May 22, 2015 23:34
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If there's two scum, I don't see a way of making a good plan for the town, so I'm going to go with my gut and say there's one scum among TT, KB, and Morn. I think KB's plan works out. I'll likely be nightkilled at some point. TT will be lynched tomorrow. Worse case KB will be in the final three with some combination of Amni/Runa/Viva and they'll vote out KB. If you're double-scum with one of those three, KB, well done. You got me. ##vote Mornacle 
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May 22, 2015 23:37
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Tremendous Taste posted:you can be a jerk yourself viv mafia is a game I play to cyberbully not be cyberbullied. 😞
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Nobody died D7. It is now N7.
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Votecount for Day 7 Mornacale (4): Tremendous Taste,  Tremendous Taste (3): Mornacale, Runaktla, Met (0): King Burgundy, King Burgundy (0): Met, Not Voting (0): With 7 alive, it's 4 votes to hang. The current deadline is May 24th, 2015 at 11 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 2 days, 3 hours. Remember 10 posts per day to avoid modkill!
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 VivaNova, Guinan, town-aligned mason recruiter was disruptered N7 It is now D8!!!!!
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Votecount for Day 8 Not Voting (6): Amnistar, King Burgundy, Met, Mornacale, Runaktla, Tremendous Taste With 6 alive, it's 4 votes to hang. The current deadline is May 25th, 2015 at 11 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 2 days, 21 hours. Remember 10 posts per day to avoid modkill!
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May 23, 2015 06:14
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Sooooo, Taste hammers King Burgundy today? Cool, glad we had this talk.
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May 23, 2015 06:22
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##vote King Burgundy
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May 23, 2015 06:22
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If at first you don't succeed, ##vote morn again. Yesterday was like governor.avi.
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May 23, 2015 06:23
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hahahahah oh no you don't fucker how about you hammer him
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May 23, 2015 06:23
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Tremendous Taste posted:If at first you don't succeed, ##vote morn again. Yesterday was like governor.avi. lol voting confirmed town  Also why aren't you claiming your track? Could it be because you do not have one?
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Mornacale posted:lol voting confirmed town are you literally on drugs I tracked KB nowhere which means either he is telling the truth or he is not because who knows what scum role is left WOW
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Tremendous Taste posted:hahahahah oh no you don't fucker Because I am not scum. Unless you now want to claim there's a deathproof immune-to-eavesdrop ninja who let the godfather do a nightkill.
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May 23, 2015 06:26
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Tremendous Taste posted:are you literally on drugs Why the hell would you not track Met, who is confirmable?
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Mornacale posted:Because I am not scum. Unless you now want to claim there's a deathproof immune-to-eavesdrop ninja who let the godfather do a nightkill. i am saying that you governed yourself. If you were town you would have not let us lynch you, and if you were deathproof you would not have come to the conclusions you did about hammering KB and refuse to do so. You overplayed your hand.
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Mornacale posted:Why the hell would you not track Met, who is confirmable? Because knowing if KB moved would out a lie, whereas we've already established that Met probably does have a doc regardless of alignment
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May 23, 2015 06:29
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like, what you did is pretty much the textbook governor play. hint at a protective role without detailing and allow the town to waste a lynch, follow up by claiming it clears you because you were telling the truth all along
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May 23, 2015 06:30
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the only thing that could possibly have you town is if run chose to govern you. idk why he would but there we are. I would like a fullclaim from you
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Tremendous Taste posted:i am saying that you governed yourself. If you were town you would have not let us lynch you, and if you were deathproof you would not have come to the conclusions you did about hammering KB and refuse to do so. You overplayed your hand. I was happy to be brigged because I knew I would not die, and (as I posted yesterday) a no-brig was a reasonable choice, especially one that would confirm me as town. Because, of course, it would set us up in a perfect position to use KB's claim today. Furthermore, I actually did ask Asiina if I would be immune to a hypothetical lynchbomb, and she declined to answer. Consequently, I saw no reason to expose myself to the possibility that me hammering King Burgundy could actually kill me. You will also note that 1) I revealed myself as Picard d1 without any fear of a nightkill, and 2) I volunteered for the mission d1, since my Plot Armor would presumably protect me from any hazards. Also, just as a reminder, your claim is now that I am a Scum Governor/Ninja/Immune-To-Eavesdrop, who just nightkilled a player who has been trusting me and supporting my plans since day 2 of the game and would be able to back up the fact that I claimed my role to her literal weeks ago.
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Tremendous Taste posted:Because knowing if KB moved would out a lie, whereas we've already established that Met probably does have a doc regardless of alignment What? Are you suggesting that scum Met would be doccing a townie instead of doing the nightkill?
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Tremendous Taste posted:the only thing that could possibly have you town is if run chose to govern you. idk why he would but there we are. I bet you would. Gotta know if I can be nightkilled if you survive the day.
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Mornacale posted:What? Are you suggesting that scum Met would be doccing a townie instead of doing the nightkill? Are the Mafia forced to do the kill instead of their ability?
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Mornacale posted:I bet you would. Gotta know if I can be nightkilled if you survive the day. No, I'd like you to full claim too.
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May 23, 2015 06:43
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and then hammer KB. That'll put us back on track for KB's Plan. Otherwise we have an weird number of players. ##vote King Burgundy
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Mornacale posted:What? Are you suggesting that scum Met would be doccing a townie instead of doing the nightkill? if he can run two actions at once I'd expect so. I may not even be able to detect the kill anyway if chaos is anything to go by Mornacale posted:I was happy to be brigged because I knew I would not die, and (as I posted yesterday) a no-brig was a reasonable choice, especially one that would confirm me as town. Because, of course, it would set us up in a perfect position to use KB's claim today. Furthermore, I actually did ask Asiina if I would be immune to a hypothetical lynchbomb, and she declined to answer. Consequently, I saw no reason to expose myself to the possibility that me hammering King Burgundy could actually kill me. No, see, this is suspect as gently caress and not at all towny. You have actively hurt town by wasting that day and refusing to explain your claims if you knew you could not die. If you were actually deathproof you would hammer kb without question, and I expect you to prove it today. quote:You will also note that 1) I revealed myself as Picard d1 without any fear of a nightkill, and 2) I volunteered for the mission d1, since my Plot Armor would presumably protect me from any hazards. This doesn't mean anything. If anything I'd buy a scum picard as a curveball from asii, wasn't he evil for a while quote:Also, just as a reminder, your claim is now that I am a Scum Governor/Ninja/Immune-To-Eavesdrop, who just nightkilled a player who has been trusting me and supporting my plans since day 2 of the game and would be able to back up the fact that I claimed my role to her literal weeks ago. My claim is that you are a role I do not understand. Whoever is left cannot fit into one scum role, even if you believe it is me. The fact you present a ninja with a one-shot gov as some ridiculous concept in a game with a pretty weak scum set while on the other hand talking about how there ought to be two more scum is just clashing too much to be believable as sincere
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Tremendous Taste posted:No, see, this is suspect as gently caress and not at all towny. You have actively hurt town by wasting that day and refusing to explain your claims if you knew you could not die. If you were actually deathproof you would hammer kb without question, and I expect you to prove it today. I find this compelling and would happily vote out Morn if he refuses to cooperate.
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Incidentally, just to make sure everything's in order: Amnistar - mod confirmed town Runaktla - has town result from Birdstrike, which is true because VivaNova flipped town. Therefore, can only be scum if they are a godfather (but one already flipped) or a busdriver (who bussed themselves with town n4). But we also know they were untargetable n5. So they can only be scum if they are a busdriver hider who can hide while making a nightkill. Town. Me - Deathproof of some sort. Could not be eavesdropped n2. Was tracked nowhere n5. So I can only be scum if I'm unlynchable, untrackable, and unable to be eavesdropped. Unless Tremendous Taste is my scumbud who is making things up to try to clear me, while repeatedly voting for me. Tremendous Taste - accurately guessed that I received no mod PMs n2; accurately claimed to track me nowhere n5, but could have been assuming a passive role based on said n2 result Met - could have been cleared via track last night, but Tremendous Taste declined to target him for a reason that doesn't make sense King Burgundy - Tracked nowhere n7. Can only be scum if he is a ninja, or Tremendous Taste is his scumbud making things up to clear him.
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But I'm also convinced the final scum is Morn or Taste. I think we have this. KB, Amnistar, and Runaktla did not post on the forums since before I hammered. This isn't concrete evidence of their innocence or anything but it does support Morn/TT being final scum.
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