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Silver2195 posted:Bear in mind that there's a lot of fiction where the main character is an authorial mouthpiece. Basically, there needs to be a certain minimum level of audience trust in the author, and when it isn't forthcoming, it's often the fault, not so much of the author or the audience, but of other authors. Also, yeah, my argument is strongly focusing on people's thoughts of Shirou's character (which is a widely restated opinion). I am less critical of people's critique of say, whatever the hell happens with Sakura later in the story.
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I thought Sakura' s arc was pretty decent, all things considered. Maybe, it wasn't as compelling as some other stuff in HF, but she wasn't just a plot device to further develop Shirou and Rin as some people seem to think. Also, red interludes in HF are awesome and her VA did an amazing job in them (not sure if it's relevant, just throwing it out there).
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May 23, 2015 22:41
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rvm posted:I thought Sakura' s arc was pretty decent, all things considered. Maybe, it wasn't as compelling as some other stuff in HF, but she wasn't just a plot device to further develop Shirou and Rin as some people seem to think. Also, red interludes in HF are awesome and her VA did an amazing job in them (not sure if it's relevant, just throwing it out there). God this conversation really makes me want to open some of that forbidden discussion, so I guess here we go. Silver2195 posted:Also, I think a lot of people calling F/SN sexist are complaining about things other than Shirou's characterization (and Nasu himself seems to agree with some of their points). To me, the way I evaluate the strength of the presentation of a female character is the same standard I use for male characters; I look at their character. To me, a character with agency is a character who has ideas, has a goal, and actively takes action to achieve that goal. In this process they generally have the power to manipulate their surroundings and bring about change. That is why I love that one quote from that one interview where Nasu talks about his female characters, the faults he seems to identify in his female characters (therefore showing that his works might be a bit sexist) are just character faults. He seems to acknowledge that in quite a few cases, his female characters may be powerful and may be able to bring about change, but that their goals are either directly related to the male protagonist or become somewhat co-opted by the male protagonist. That is, they don't quite succeed in being their own independent character. That insight is something I don't ever seem to see in most people who start an argument by calling something sexist. Or I guess more specifically, it's not the focus. EDIT: TL;DR Rin is a good character. Twiddy fucked around with this message at 23:32 on May 23, 2015 |
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May 23, 2015 23:17
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I think throwing out "the worst writing and most heinous misogyny etc etc" in the first review of the adaptation and then saying people aren't allowed to talk about the source material and whether or not it's sexist is disingenuous. Rin rules
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May 23, 2015 23:32
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My fave F/SN lady is Taiga
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May 23, 2015 23:35
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Caster Blaster
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Rodyle posted:Caster Blaster There was a Caster H-scene?
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I generally like all the girls from all across TM's properties. From Fate though, Bazett, Rider, Rin, and Extra!Saber are great.
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KaneTW posted:There was a Caster H-scene? The only thing approaching that would be in the VN, when it talks about how Kuzuki met Caster, Caster was nearly out of mana and told him what he needed to do to give her more.
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Extra Saber is a huge bro
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Sylphid posted:The only thing approaching that would be in the VN, when it talks about how Kuzuki met Caster, Caster was nearly out of mana and told him what he needed to do to give her more.
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:Extra Saber is a huge bro EDIT: My waifu is Ryougi Shiki. This has been dictated for me. Twiddy fucked around with this message at 00:05 on May 24, 2015 |
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May 23, 2015 23:55
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Also, favorite TM heroines would have to be Saber (I've liked her since I first read the Fate route), Azaka, and Aoko Aozaki. I've also got a soft spot for Sakura, but she wouldn't make my top three.
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May 23, 2015 23:55
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Arcueid is the first TM heroine I absolutely adore and still do to this day. Ryougi Shiki is up there as well.
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May 24, 2015 00:13
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Saber Alter. Not sure why, but I find her to be one of the coolest characters ever. Design, voice acting, theme music, everything is just perfect.
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May 24, 2015 00:34
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Ciel. Duh. (Also Mordred.)
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May 24, 2015 00:42
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I can't wait for the Mech-Hisui arc of the Tsukihime remake
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May 24, 2015 01:41
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Glad to see the thread title better express the contents found within it.
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May 24, 2015 01:50
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This loving thread. What is it with Weabs and their waifu nonsense? Like, even when doing it ironically, it's still posting about waifu's. That being said, Taiga is still the best character
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May 24, 2015 02:18
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Rent-a-Bot posted:Glad to see the thread title better express the contents found within it.
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May 24, 2015 02:30
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Mederlock posted:This loving thread. What is it with Weabs and their waifu nonsense? Like, even when doing it ironically, it's still posting about waifu's. Yeah, it's kind of weird that a type of posting that would get you mocked on Beast's Lair (let alone Zorak-era ADTRW) is so accepted here now. At least use the fig leaf of saying "favorite female character" instead. 
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May 24, 2015 02:39
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Both the stinky homos who claim to be ironic and the ones that try to suppress their posting style just to fit with the place should be murdered.
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May 24, 2015 03:01
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Yeah, Casko is my wife. Wanna do something about it, bitch?
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May 24, 2015 03:02
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you might be a psychopath if you can't form some kind of emotional attachment to a character you like
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May 24, 2015 04:18
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Upon further thought I have decided Nasu's prose is ok for what it is. He just relies so much on exposition I wish I could enjoy the words on the screen more.
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Silver2195 posted:Yeah, it's kind of weird that a type of posting that would get you mocked on Beast's Lair (let alone Zorak-era ADTRW) is so accepted here now. At least use the fig leaf of saying "favorite female character" instead. i want to marry tamamo-no-mae
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May 24, 2015 04:40
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I don't want to marry any Fate characters, but I think the characters I like are cool, and it is unfortunate when their life stinks. I felt bad for Assassin.
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May 24, 2015 05:07
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Is there an actual date on the HF movies yet, incidentally?
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BlitzBlast posted:Is there an actual date on the HF movies yet, incidentally? We still don't know if it's even multiple movies.
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May 24, 2015 06:24
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Someone show me a good Bazett avatar and i'll buy it, tia.
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Mederlock posted:This loving thread. What is it with Weabs and their waifu nonsense? Like, even when doing it ironically, it's still posting about waifu's. Thanks for posting your waifu
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May 24, 2015 13:01
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I expect the FSN UBW episode review thread at ANN will be interesting to watch these next few days.
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May 25, 2015 02:57
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Stall_19 posted:I expect the FSN UBW episode review thread at ANN will be interesting to watch these next few days.
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holy poo poo the ann review for the latest ubw ep is the worst thing ive ever seen
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In feminist (or even antifeminist) rhetoric, “alpha male” describes the socially-prescribed masculine ideal. They are physically, socially, and sexually dominant. It also denotes a lack of “feminine” characteristics, such as submissiveness and emotional reciprocity. If you aren't this ideal, or are seen as possessing an insufficient amount of masculine traits by some inconsistent standard, you're an inadequate “beta male” who gets the leftovers in terms of economic, social, and romantic opportunities. Of course, this is a toxic dichotomy. In order to be a healthy person, you need a balance between stereotypically masculine and feminine traits – a sense of control over your own life but respect for other people's boundaries. Shirou is a “beta male” because he's an introvert who enjoys housekeeping (stereotypically feminine work) and messing around with systems. He pines after the unapproachable hot girl, Rin. Eventually, she chooses him over more conventionally attractive men like Archer and Lancer. FSN is a fantasy that teaches young men to be comfortable in their own skins, deliberately combating the weaknesses of the alpha ideal with the strengths of the beta's balanced traits. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that on its own – the problem begins when the story promotes the bad attitudes about women that cross over the alpha/beta dichotomy. For example, the idea that women prefer “alphas” while discriminating against “betas.” In reality, women are individuals with no generalized preference for partners, and both groups can equally alienate potential partners through their toxic behavior. While perceived “alpha males” steamroll through other people's boundaries, “beta males” adopt a victimization complex that makes them overlook the ways in which they may victimize others, most often women.
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Find me a good Bazett avatar, instead of talking about ANN again, please.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Find me a good Bazett avatar, instead of talking about ANN again, please. i looked and there isn't any good bazett fanart
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Find me a good Bazett avatar, instead of talking about ANN again, please.
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there is good bazett fanart, but i cant post it in this thread
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Cake Attack posted:i looked and there isn't any good bazett fanart Thank you for trying.
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