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I'm in a niche group that feels that the thing that takes a DM from good to great is knowing the right moment to fudge a dice roll.
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D&D combat is largely arbitrary, I think a DM needs to fudge rolls for the system to work.
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May 25, 2015 23:00
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If you still have slots I'm in.
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Somberbrero posted:D&D combat is largely arbitrary, I think a DM needs to fudge rolls for the system to work. And this highly depends upon what game you are playing. For a story game, definately true. For a combat simulator/tactics game, I feel like this defeats the core concept of the game.
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May 25, 2015 23:02
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Amnistar posted:And this highly depends upon what game you are playing. For a story game, definately true. For a combat simulator/tactics game, I feel like this defeats the core concept of the game. The amount of variance in the core mechanic, a D20, is massive. Even in 4E, which is one of the better representations of tactics-based roleplaying, you're tied up in a lot of luck. The DM is there to mitigate that factor when it's narratively obnoxious or detrimental. Playing any D&D iteration as written sounds like an exercise in masochism, for either side of the table. I'm not saying you should let every player side every time they're close to death, but it's a better game all around if the DM doesn't make you roll a new character every time your level one character eats a crit and dies.
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May 25, 2015 23:12
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i wqanna make a d&d character thats like a science space patrol guy. is there a easyway to do that
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Somberbrero posted:The amount of variance in the core mechanic, a D20, is massive. Even in 4E, which is one of the better representations of tactics-based roleplaying, you're tied up in a lot of luck. The DM is there to mitigate that factor when it's narratively obnoxious or detrimental. Playing any D&D iteration as written sounds like an exercise in masochism, for either side of the table. To some extent I can agree with you, especially in pre-4th editions where a single hit could spell death to a character at low levels with no action on the part of the players. I would also so that if you're playing the game as a tactics simulator you're (the player) making the mechanically superior choices to counteract the fact that luck is such a heavy factor in the game to negate it as much as possible. But then my friends and I alternate between playing story games where the flavor of the character is the important part and what the math is behind the scenes is unimportant, and power game dungeon crawls where the group designs a party to optimize themselves and plays "against" the DM who is doing something similiar while staying within the bounds of appropriate CR.
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GulagDolls posted:i wqanna make a d&d character thats like a science space patrol guy. is there a easyway to do that The closest I can think of for this would be using Planescape mechanics, which I believe include spaceships that travel between planes of existance on the Material Plane.
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Well sure, running whatever kind of game people want is good. I just think that there are systems a little better equipped to handle tactics in general. Whatever is enjoyable for you is the right thing, open rolling does impart it's own kind of drama.
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May 25, 2015 23:35
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i'm a wizard
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Somberbrero posted:D&D combat is largely arbitrary, I think a DM needs to fudge rolls for the system to work. Nope - the maths behind the scenes of D&D (especially 3rd edition onwards) are quite well done and if the DM has a party with adequate equipment and putting them against a balanced challenge rating then statistically the party should win the vast majority of the time - with losses or easy victories being an aberration.
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May 26, 2015 00:04
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1 more brave soul! Welcome to the table Amnistar
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Kleedrac posted:Nope - the maths behind the scenes of D&D (especially 3rd edition onwards) are quite well done and if the DM has a party with adequate equipment and putting them against a balanced challenge rating then statistically the party should win the vast majority of the time - with losses or easy victories being an aberration. Post 3rd level this is definately true. Prior to 3rd level a single poor die roll on the part of the DM could result in a player death or party wipe.
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May 26, 2015 00:10
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This would be just my second game but I'd like to participate.
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Welcome Perperual Idiot. I'm out drinking at the moment. I'll send out PMs when I get home.
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*Perpetual, forgive me.
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Alright quick before he sends out role pm everyone pick your character archetype. I have chosen a 3rd edition gnomes druid, built using point but with 8s in my physical stats and all my mental stats over 16. I will shapes heft all the time to negate this disadvantage and took the feat that let's me cast in wild shape. Huzzah power gaming.
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Amnistar posted:Alright quick before he sends out role pm everyone pick your character archetype. I'm dwarf
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May 26, 2015 00:49
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I give myself 18 points in all the different stats; luck, constitution, you name it and I have 18 points.
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May 26, 2015 00:49
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I think I'm the only guy in this thread that has never played a game of D&D I'm cool so I spent my youth doing more important things (like playing text based MMORPGs based off the D&D system)
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May 26, 2015 00:50
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MC Eating Disorder posted:I think I'm the only guy in this thread that has never played a game of D&D I miss MUDs sometimes
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May 26, 2015 00:55
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I'm the npc you meet that offers a sidequest you forget to do and have to go back and complete it later because ocd.
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May 26, 2015 01:02
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If you make me a bard I pledge I will post songs like I used to in The Olden Days
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May 26, 2015 01:06
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changed mind,. i'm elf
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GulagDolls posted:changed mind,. i'm elf why not both? http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Sandwich_Stoutaxe
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Kleedrac posted:I miss MUDs sometimes Even though I'm not American, sometimes it is a thing that people will ask you where you were when 9/11 happened and its pretty embarrassing that my answer is "grinding out exp in materia magica" because that's literally how I found out about the epoch defining event of 21st century western civilisation
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Kleedrac posted:Nope - the maths behind the scenes of D&D (especially 3rd edition onwards) are quite well done and if the DM has a party with adequate equipment and putting them against a balanced challenge rating then statistically the party should win the vast majority of the time - with losses or easy victories being an aberration. Even assuming that there aren't any problems with challenge rating, which is very generous, the problem is that you're applying that math across hundreds to thousands of rolls.
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http://1d4chan.org/images/d/dc/Squats.jpg i'm this
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MC Eating Disorder posted:Even though I'm not American, sometimes it is a thing that people will ask you where you were when 9/11 happened and its pretty embarrassing that my answer is "grinding out exp in materia magica" because that's literally how I found out about the epoch defining event of 21st century western civilisation I'm Canadian myself - but I remember hearing on the radio on the way to work. Are MUD's still around or have they pretty much been supplanted now? Somberbrero posted:Even assuming that there aren't any problems with challenge rating, which is very generous, the problem is that you're applying that math across hundreds to thousands of rolls. But that's why the statistics hold - a fighter with an on-level weapon against an on-level monster should hit >60% of the time and should be hit <30% of the time.
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Kleedrac posted:I'm Canadian myself - but I remember hearing on the radio on the way to work. Are MUD's still around or have they pretty much been supplanted now? If that doesn't seem like a huge amount of variance, then enjoy!
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Kleedrac posted:I'm Canadian myself - but I remember hearing on the radio on the way to work. Are MUD's still around or have they pretty much been supplanted now? There are still MUDs. I know of one discworld themed MUD and one high fantasy (I think) called Achaea that I played for literally one day.
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oh yeah the discworld mud is definitely still around although it was a bit crap when it first came out so hopefully they've improved it since then. Pretty sure Materia Magica is still around as well although that game basically just became a place for nerds to troll other nerds by the time I stopped playing so I doubt its still worth it
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CzarTim posted:I'm the npc you meet that offers a sidequest you forget to do and have to go back and complete it later because ocd. You monster. ##vote CzarTim
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Look Under The Rock posted:If you make me a bard I pledge I will post songs like I used to in The Olden Days Do eeeeet.
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MC Eating Disorder posted:Even though I'm not American, sometimes it is a thing that people will ask you where you were when 9/11 happened and its pretty embarrassing that my answer is "grinding out exp in materia magica" because that's literally how I found out about the epoch defining event of 21st century western civilisation Not to take away from the magnitude of 9/11, but the 21st century is still young. Hell, look at all the mischief we got up to last century.
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yeah I couldn't figure out a better way to phrase it that didn't feel clunky as hell but maybe "post-cold war era of western political relations" is more accurate (nerd)
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i was in class with my nhead on my desk when I heard that the other kid had moved my pieces around on the checkers board in order to win, and also the towers had exploded
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uranus posted:i'm a wizard You don't really ever help the party but demand your share of the loot when things go ok.
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Yo I'm a druid and anyone else that wanted to be a druid can SUCK IT
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