Elias_Maluco posted:I might be misremembering, but fights in the book were a lot more realistic than in the series. I really dont remember people beating overwhelming superior numbers with ease in the books. And named characters almost never wear helmets, unless it's a plot device.
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Megasabin posted:I mean this is a universe where legendary figures routinely carve their way through unspeakable odds, and it's unthinkable that a Knights can't easily defeat a bunch of slaves in what was basically a series of brief 1 on 1 fights? When has that ever been true of the book series? The only "cut through hordes" sequence in the books was a 2nd hand account of Jaime's capture by Robb's men.
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May 28, 2015 20:47
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I, too, hate it when my fantasy television shows are not 100% realistic.
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May 28, 2015 20:50
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Gladiator was a cool movie ergo the Jorah fight scene was also cool
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May 28, 2015 20:55
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Elias_Maluco posted:I might be misremembering, but fights in the book were a lot more realistic than in the series. I really dont remember people beating overwhelming superior numbers with ease in the books. I guess they have to escalate things to keep it interesting for the viewer. And it's harder to detail large fights in book form than it can be in film. At the very least if you don't care about good camera work.
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May 28, 2015 20:56
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lifts cats over head posted:I, too, hate it when my fantasy television shows are not 100% realistic. DRAGONFIRE CAN'T MELT ICE WALLS~
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May 28, 2015 20:56
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How Alfie Allen gets into character to be able to portray a traumatised and psychologically broken wreck.
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May 28, 2015 20:57
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Irish Joe posted:When has that ever been true of the book series? The only "cut through hordes" sequence in the books was a 2nd hand account of Jaime's capture by Robb's men. He does this with his retainers not alone.
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May 28, 2015 20:57
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Elias_Maluco posted:I might be misremembering, but fights in the book were a lot more realistic than in the series. I really dont remember people beating overwhelming superior numbers with ease in the books. Reminder: Tyrion, a dwarf, does Metal Gear Solid-esque acrobatics and rides in to battle killing like 10 people in the books
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May 28, 2015 21:04
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this_is_hard posted:Reminder: Tyrion, a dwarf, does Metal Gear Solid-esque acrobatics and rides in to battle killing like 10 people in the books Doesn't he actually only kill one horse and capture one dude?
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May 28, 2015 21:06
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Irish Joe posted:When has that ever been true of the book series? The only "cut through hordes" sequence in the books was a 2nd hand account of Jaime's capture by Robb's men. Rhaegar and Robert are both described as charging head first at the front of their battalions into giant army sized melees. Jon did ridiculous poo poo at the battle of the wall. Those are two that jump into my head immediately, and I read the books over 10 years ago. Even if they didn't, complaining about the Jorah scene was too fake is some incredibly nit picky poo poo, and you could pretty much criticize any TV show or movie for lack of tactical realism.
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May 28, 2015 21:09
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Sansa is definitely going to become "Lady Stoneheart" in that once the Boltons are dealt with, however that may be, she is going to go on a killing spree all next season with her Northern followers. The last episode this season will probably have her faced with a decision to show mercy to some of the lower Bolton cronies and she chooses to murder the poo poo out of them. When she finally sees Little Finger again she is going to flay his rear end.
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May 28, 2015 21:13
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When you bring up "no helmets", you're really just being a "tactical realism" nerd.
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May 28, 2015 21:20
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Doesn't he actually only kill one horse and capture one dude? Cygni posted:Its funny watching this thread get angry every week about plots/motivations because they are too impatient to see how it plays out in the next episode.
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May 28, 2015 21:25
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RCarr posted:From what I remember, her lips turned up into an almost-smile as if to say "ah here's an honorable fighter", before seeing it was Jorah when he took his helm off. Yeah, actually, you're totally right. My b. She seems almost embarassedly happy to see someone beating up the other fighters without killing them and then gets mad when it turns out to be Jorah. Ague Proof posted:How Alfie Allen gets into character to be able to portray a traumatised and psychologically broken wreck. This is great. For anyone not familiar, Alfie Allen's older sister is Lily Allen, who wrote a song about him being a worthless pothead.
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May 28, 2015 21:33
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Jagermonster posted:Sansa is definitely going to become "Lady Stoneheart" This would be perfect, as in, the living version of Lady Stoneheart. Alayne Stoneheart.
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May 28, 2015 21:34
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Megasabin posted:If you are actually criticizing the "realism" of scenes like Jorah in the fighting pit, and tyrion punching the slaver, please understand that your opinion is so hilariously worthless that you should probably never attempt to critique either the book or the show again. It was a reply to all the 'Sansa had to be raped because realism, and had to be utterly passive and weeping while being raped because realism' defenses of that scene. Of course realism should take a back seat to a good story.
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May 28, 2015 21:35
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Doesn't he actually only kill one horse and capture one dude? Nah, he axes dudes.
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May 28, 2015 21:36
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colonel_korn posted:Yeah, like when people got mad about the Sansa rape scene at the end of Ep 6 because it shoved her back into the role of victim, then D&D cleverly subverted that in Ep 7 by revealing that in the following days she spent all her time crying in bed while Ramsey popped by occasionally to beat and rape her some more.
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May 28, 2015 21:38
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colonel_korn posted:He like, headbutts a horse with a pickelhaube or something hilarious like that. Like when they said it was done for the benefit of Theon or it ruined her arc. There would have been so many more complaints (rightly so) if after being raped crying and screaming, the show didn't treat her as a victim. But that doesn't mean she's finished. Taking the corkscrew shows she's not giving up. The Little Kielbasa posted:It was a reply to all the 'Sansa had to be raped because realism, and had to be utterly passive and weeping while being raped because realism' defenses of that scene. Of course realism should take a back seat to a good story. The problem is with the unreal stuff not the real stuff.
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May 28, 2015 21:39
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Jagermonster posted:Sansa is definitely going to become "Lady Stoneheart" in that once the Boltons are dealt with, however that may be, she is going to go on a killing spree all next season with her Northern followers. The last episode this season will probably have her faced with a decision to show mercy to some of the lower Bolton cronies and she chooses to murder the poo poo out of them. When she finally sees Little Finger again she is going to flay his rear end. Littlefinger won't die until the Others come and ice him. He'll team up with Stannis and with their armies combined start beating the hell out of the south. Sansa is totally gonna go Stoneheart in the show as well. Which is awesome becase it tells me that her character will do absolutely nothing in the books except maybe be a catalyst for Arya when she inevitably gets hired to kill her own sister. \/\/\/\/ Yep! As opposed to infinite baseless speculation over the books since they will never be completed! \/\/\/\/ Solice Kirsk fucked around with this message at 21:54 on May 28, 2015 |
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May 28, 2015 21:40
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If nothing else the fact that the TV show has outpaced the books means we have 2 more years of baseless speculation in this thread to look forward to.
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May 28, 2015 21:47
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Ague Proof posted:How Alfie Allen gets into character to be able to portray a traumatised and psychologically broken wreck. He reads this thread? haha
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May 28, 2015 21:53
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Solice Kirsk posted:\/\/\/\/ Yep! As opposed to infinite baseless speculation over the books since they will never be completed! \/\/\/\/ I have faith the next book will be out before March of next year.
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May 28, 2015 22:08
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Irish Joe posted:I have faith the next book will be out before March of next year. Care to toxx? I think a post like this deserves a toxx
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May 28, 2015 22:09
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El Hefe posted:You know what gently caress it, let's just see every character in the show get raped. I'm gonna poke the beehive and posit that an emotionally damaged war orphan bent on murder being brainwashed by a death-worshipping assassin cult to the point the only scrap of identity left to her is a consuming rage and warg-dreams about indiscriminately killing and eating men, women, and children = more tragic than dubious consent.
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May 28, 2015 22:13
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loquacius posted:Care to toxx? I think a post like this deserves a toxx Sure  GRRM won't let me down.
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May 28, 2015 22:14
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paco650 posted:I'm gonna poke the beehive and posit that an emotionally damaged war orphan bent on murder being brainwashed by a death-worshipping assassin cult to the point the only scrap of identity left to her is a consuming rage and warg-dreams about indiscriminately killing and eating men, women, and children = more tragic than dubious consent. Actually it's totally badass
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May 28, 2015 22:18
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Elias_Maluco posted:In the books is only 2 and Clegane wins just because Arya interferes at the last moment, and he takes a very grave wound anyway. Clegane was initially losing when he was fighting Polliver and Tickler at the same time, but then he pulls out a kick-rear end rad move that kills Polliver and was probably going to mow down the Tickler next had Arya not stepped in.
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May 28, 2015 22:32
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Irish Joe posted:Sure Wow son you just lost 10 Buckaroos
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May 28, 2015 22:32
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Lycus posted:When you bring up "no helmets", you're really just being a "tactical realism" nerd. Nah, not really, I just wanna see some sick armor & helmets
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May 28, 2015 22:35
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dik-dik posted:What gave you the idea that she didn't recognize him? My reading of her facial expression wasn't "who's this fucker?" but rather "goddammit, it's Jorah, isn't it? Please, tell me it's not Jor—GODDAMMIT JORAH WTF" Hey fair enough, I thought that too initially. Maybe it's just the actress that plays Dany, but her reaction when Jorah started to fight and then the anger when he took his helmet off led me to believe what I said before. RE: realism chat, the only part i found "unrealistic" was what I said before. Jorah's a badass, of course he can take on a small group of malnourished slaves. He's a Mormont. kater posted:Accurate to the books or not, that poo poo is all super loving lame. I like how bitter and angry Jorah turned in the books. It doesn't look like that happens in the show. Within the context of the show, I don't find this season and it's characters believable in a lot of their actions. Not interested in bringing up rape chat again, but I agree with that guy that brought up Ebert & Siskel's episode on "Women in Danger". The more sensitive the material you're trying to depict (and I would definitely include rape and torture as sensitive material) the more artistry/tact/whatever you want to call it you need. Basically I don't think the showrunners have done a good enough job with Sansa, and I think the long arguments in this thread is evidence that many people were dissatisfied with that scene. I'm not saying they should have or shouldn't have done that particular scene, but they botched it. Because I like the books and a lot of my favourite shows were produced by HBO (Rome, The Wire, Deadwood, Silicon Valley, etc.) I'm trying to hold GoT to a higher standard, and it's failing to measure up.
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Lloyd Boner posted:Actually it's totally badass Also that.
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May 28, 2015 22:48
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an skeleton posted:Wow son you just lost 10 Buckaroos He's probably just banking on this thread getting even more bloated than ADWD and no one remembering this happened.
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May 28, 2015 23:05
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To be fair, no one will remember. The North Remembers *Gets flayed*
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May 28, 2015 23:15
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dik-dik posted:He's probably just banking on this thread getting even more bloated than ADWD and no one remembering this happened. GRRM has said he wanted book 6 out by the time the next season premieres. New seasons premiere in April. Ergo, if GRRM keeps his deadline, the next book will be out around February/March at the latest.
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May 28, 2015 23:15
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GRRM wants a lot of things that he wont get. The world (especially young women) are better for it.
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May 28, 2015 23:18
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The show writers are Very Good, better than the man who wrote a half page description of Tyrions cock.
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May 28, 2015 23:19
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Remember when GRRM promised that ADWD would be published in 2006? and then it didn't come out until 2011? I really don't get why we should be taking anything he says as fact when it comes to release dates.
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Super.Jesus posted:This would be perfect, as in, the living version of Lady Stoneheart. Alayne Stoneheart. That's actually a pretty neat connection, given that her bastard name is "Alayne Stone" and all. I can see her adopting the stronger persona and leaving the weaker Sansa Stark behind.
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