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Maybe they should give up and just merge the cooling and electric system. Think how much they could save if they ran the wires through the pipes. All you need is a nonconductive coolant. Mineral oil anyone?
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Slow is Fast posted:Friend who works at a dealer just posted this: You guys really get the most insane VW problems. I don't know why y'all get this crazy poo poo, and us Europeans don't have it. I think they stitched you up for revenge. After all, Volkswagen was Hitler's invention.  Coolant migration is genuinely amazing.
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May 28, 2015 19:54
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Not going to open that can of worms again. But its suffice to say that they've earned their reputation here in north america.
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May 28, 2015 20:07
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1500quidporsche posted:While possible I don't think its likely. Bosch's intention was for the cold start injector to only fire on start up, on most cars its wiring is tied directly to the starter. The problem with using the cold start injector for extra fuel is that unless its placed at the throttle body its not going to distribute fuel evenly to all cylinders, and even then the fuel won't atomize as well as it would with the normal injectors. Mooseykins posted:Is it late K-Jet with Lambda? If it doesn't have a throttle position sensor that might just be a switch to tell the ECU that it's full throttle and gently caress yo lambda reading! Where it switches to open loop and dumps fuel. It is early k-jet without a lambda, but I think the US version did have a lambda so maybe it only does anything in the US? The cold start injector is stupid as I think it only temperature triggers at below freezing. I have a manual switch on mine as I have to use the cold start injector like easy-start to get it to start easily when the temperature is anything below 15C
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May 28, 2015 20:15
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Yeah that sounds different to how my Scirocco is set up. Mine is simply a wire that runs from the starter so its completely tied in to that. Isn't even wired into anything on the K jet system so it fires when you crank the engine regardless of the temperature. That must be Saab weirdness. There are two versions of K Jet with Lambda. There is basic K Jet with lambda added, which was primarily for the US/California emissions regulations. Then there was what VW/Audi called CIS-E and I'm pretty sure was officially called KE-Jetronic, which used the oxygen sensor more for performance and fuel economy. It also some other stuff like a knock sensor and a separate ECU for better spark advance. If you have basic K jet then you're already running open loop, I can't really remember what the WOT switch did or if there even was one. I only ran K Jet Lambda for a bit before switching to KE-Jet so I'm not too familiar with the bare bones one. I'll have to look it up when I get home.
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May 28, 2015 21:01
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VW should have just stuck to aircooleds. Can't have coolant migration then.
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May 28, 2015 21:05
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nm posted:VW should have just stuck to aircooleds. Can't have coolant migration then. Blame emissions standards.  The gubment ruined VW.
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May 28, 2015 21:13
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Mooseykins posted:You guys really get the most insane VW problems. I don't know why y'all get this crazy poo poo, and us Europeans don't have it. Because VW has to cut corners to sell cars at the same price as other cars in the US.
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May 28, 2015 22:19
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veedubfreak posted:Because VW has to cut corners to sell cars at the same price as other cars in the US. Oh, well sucks for you guys. They seem to have a horrendous reputation for reliability and quality over there. It's the opposite here in Europeland.
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May 28, 2015 22:22
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As true as that may be, I literally cannot believe it because I've never seen a single reliable volkswagen in all my years.
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May 28, 2015 22:41
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veedubfreak posted:Because VW has to cut corners to sell cars at the same price as other cars in the US. Have to? no, not at all. Chooses to? Absolutely.
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May 28, 2015 22:42
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VAG. VAG never changes.
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May 28, 2015 22:43
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:As true as that may be, I literally cannot believe it because I've never seen a single reliable volkswagen in all my years. This. And I get to see VAGes from UK, Australia, Japan, Singapore and whatever other RHD countries. And I can't visualise any way to make them reliable because the fundamental designs are just so poor. It isn't like GM, where you think 'if they had just made this for more than twenty cents it wouldn't be broken right now', it's that the engineering is fundamentally faulty.
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May 28, 2015 23:28
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kastein posted:German engineering: electrons in the water pumps, water in the electron pumps, coolant in the harnesses, and cars that actually have blinker fluid. Hey c'mon now, don't lump the Germans in with Volkswagen, the company you go work for when you're rejected by Porsche, Mercedes-Benz, BMW and Opel/GM. #NotAllGermans Ahh who am I kidding #YesAllGermans 
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May 29, 2015 00:08
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I remember I went to replace the dying factory horn on my vanagon once, only to discover to my dismay that the factory VW horn operates by switching the ground. Why?? The Autozone horn that I put on would play continuously with the wires one way, and blow the fuse the other way. I agree with the statement "The engineering is fundamentally faulty". Switching the gorram ground, jesus!
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May 29, 2015 00:20
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Vanagoon posted:I remember I went to replace the dying factory horn on my vanagon once, only to discover to my dismay that the factory VW horn operates by switching the ground. Uhhh, as an electrical engineer with extensive experience working on a variety of automotive electrical systems from several brands, who now works professionally in the automotive industry... yeah that's pretty common. Sorry to burst your bubble. The reason? N channel MOSFETs and NPN transistors are easier to make, cheaper, for the same current carrying capability; it's safer (worstcase a short to ground will turn the device on, rather than blowing a fuse, destroying a driver transistor, or melting a wire); there are grounds available everywhere in the vehicle. For instance, a 1973 CJ5 does this because the horn switch wire actually runs up the center of the steering column and down through the steering box, and the other contact is just... the steering wheel. A 1994 Justy does the same thing, for the same reason (except there is a slipring and a spring loaded contact.) Most 90s jeeps I'm aware of do this, at least on the switch side, the horn is run by a relay which switches the positive wire to the horn. You can buy two terminal horns almost anywhere anyways, they're super common.
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May 29, 2015 00:58
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Armacham posted:I feel your pain. I used to have a Buddy 150. I bought an impact wrench and never looked back. I think you hosed your crank though. Ain't my crank, Ain't my care. Treat others like you'd treat your dong. Considering that assembly has been thrown apart/together 500-600 times with a bap-bap, ain' surprised it shat on me. It got a new engine anyway and is probably being crashed into poo poo as I type this.
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May 29, 2015 01:57
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kastein posted:For instance, a 1973 CJ5 does this because the horn switch wire actually runs up the center of the steering column and down through the steering box, and the other contact is just... the steering wheel. You didn't even talk about the funnest part about the ammeter firing all the electricity space magic through the jeep and burning it down.
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May 29, 2015 02:06
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Slow is Fast posted:You didn't even talk about the funnest part about the ammeter firing all the electricity space magic through the jeep and burning it down. Something something Chrysler product.
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May 29, 2015 02:07
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kastein posted:Uhhh, as an electrical engineer with extensive experience working on a variety of automotive electrical systems from several brands, who now works professionally in the automotive industry... yeah that's pretty common. Sorry to burst your bubble. Well shucks I done got schooled today.. Sorry.
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May 29, 2015 02:11
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Slow is Fast posted:You didn't even talk about the funnest part about the ammeter firing all the electricity space magic through the jeep and burning it down. Oh yeah, this was a good one. Spiffing up a '57 Bel Air with a giant blower sticking out of the hood for a cross-country speedrun. Let's see if there's a current on the horn! OH poo poo THE ENGINE'S CRANKING WTF 
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May 29, 2015 02:23
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kastein posted:Uhhh, as an electrical engineer with extensive experience working on a variety of automotive electrical systems from several brands, who now works professionally in the automotive industry... yeah that's pretty common. Sorry to burst your bubble. Still a little strange though, there doesn't seem to be a relay in the system, you get two wires to the horn, one from the fuse and the other leads to the button. Even the International had a relay in 72. Switched ground works great for the dome light though. Adding my door switch was a breeze. All of this reminds me of wanting a passenger side horn button with a driver's side lockout toggle.
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May 29, 2015 05:41
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Mooseykins posted:Oh, well sucks for you guys. That's because you guys compare them to French and Italian cars.
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May 29, 2015 06:14
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Wouldn't you prefer power side switching so that if something goes wrong at or after the load, you can cut it off?
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May 29, 2015 06:38
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kastein posted:Uhhh, as an electrical engineer with extensive experience working on a variety of automotive electrical systems from several brands, who now works professionally in the automotive industry... yeah that's pretty common. Sorry to burst your bubble. I think the main reason for horns having a switched live is that they draw a decent current and the switch is usually in the steering wheel. Have a live steering column isn't really ideal or at all practical. So give the horn a constant live and earth through the column, up to the switch, etc. There could be a relay in there somewhere but.. uh, effort.
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May 29, 2015 06:50
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I have a 2013 Golf GTI so it is the EU market car with a few US bits on it so yeah I haven't had any of the problems the Mexican built ones seems to have and a nicer interior. It seems odd when I moved to the US that people bitched out VW for being poor quality since they are fairly well regarded in Europe for it and then I did some research and drove a USDM Jetta for a month 
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May 29, 2015 14:28
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Sorry but the VW's in europe sucks cock too
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May 29, 2015 18:34
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nm posted:That's because you guys compare them to French and Italian cars. I own/have owned/experienced European VAG products (AUDI), Fiats and French (PSA) cars. I'll go with the French every day and in a pinch I would settle for an Italian one. A VAG product should be sold ASAP to get one of the former.
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May 29, 2015 18:50
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Plankalkuel posted:I own/have owned/experienced European VAG products (AUDI), Fiats and French (PSA) cars. I swear the Italians are the only people who still make genuinely poo poo cars. (Fiat Panda being a prime example.) Newer Kias/Hyundais absolutely put them to shame. I don't think i would ever own an Italian A lot of French cars are pretty good. The current Mégane is nice, and the C5 looks good. Peugeot don't have anything that interests me at the moment though. (I own two VWs and love them. I've owned like 7 or 8 VAG cars.)
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Plankalkuel posted:I own/have owned/experienced European VAG products (AUDI), Fiats and French (PSA) cars. My impression of french cars has been that they're relatively reliable and moderately cunty to work on. My impression of italian cars is that they're like VAG but without the labyrinthine needless complexity, but with GM level quality. I'd definitely take a french car over VAG.
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May 29, 2015 20:43
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The annoying thing with VW is they used to have the simplest cars in terms of design and maintenance. The Mk1 Golf/Rabbit wasn't groundbreaking in any respect, it was just a great design. I don't know what changed that they now have a compulsion to make their cars ridiculously overcomplicated.
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Slavvy posted:My impression of french cars has been that they're relatively reliable and moderately cunty to work on. French cars are pretty good overall. Not bad to work on, no more complicated than they need be. Most mech work is pretty straight-forward and things are as you would expect them to be, nothing crazy. Slavvy posted:My impression of italian cars is that they're like VAG but without the labyrinthine needless complexity, but with GM level quality. Italian cars are like French cars to work on, up to a point, then they do something stupid like have a single 3" long stud for the bellhousing, where the other 7 or so threaded connections are bolts. Oh, and you need to rotate the gearbox to remove it, but before you get to that point the tailcase has hit the chassis rail and you've still got half an inch of stud stuck in the bellhousing bolt hole. Seriously, changing a clutch on a Multipla or Doblo will fill you with murderous rage and eternal hate for Italian cars. The only thing i like about Italian cars is the Alfa 1.9 diesel engine when it's in a Saab or Vauxhall/Opel. They're so good to work on, great money makers for jobs like cam belts. GM (Euro) i swear are the easiest to work on, for the most part. I never had any issues with VAG, i worked as a specialist in them for like 4-5 years. If i went back to it and had my own shop i'd only work on VAG and vans.
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Mooseykins posted:GM (Euro) i swear are the easiest to work on, for the most part. I never had any issues with VAG, i worked as a specialist in them for like 4-5 years. If i went back to it and had my own shop i'd only work on VAG and vans. Have you like...never seen a japanese car? Or something?
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May 29, 2015 21:21
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Slavvy posted:Have you like...never seen a japanese car? Or something? They never did it for me, cheap poo poo interiors put me off ever wanting to own one. Worked on loads of them, always found them overrated, even in terms of mech work. Maybe i should open a VAG specialist and give it some gynecology-related name.
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May 29, 2015 21:24
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Mooseykins posted:They never did it for me, cheap poo poo interiors put me off ever wanting to own one. Wow. Just...wow.
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May 29, 2015 21:27
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Slavvy posted:Wow. Just...wow. Meh.
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May 29, 2015 21:31
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Slavvy posted:Wow. Just...wow. It's like when people get kidnapped and turn out to love their kidnapper. Stockholm Syndrome. Wolfsburg Syndrome?
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May 29, 2015 21:41
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All interiors are cheap garbage now anyways. My dad bought some 2012 Mercedes SUV and I swear to god it was like I was riding around in a Rubbermaid container.
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May 29, 2015 21:43
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iwentdoodie posted:It's like when people get kidnapped and turn out to love their kidnapper. Stockholm Syndrome. VAG are the best cars and that's the end of it. 1500quidporsche posted:All interiors are cheap garbage now anyways. Odd, i went in a ~2010 E-Class in Amsterdam last year and it was sooooo nice inside i instantly knew i had to have one. Hoping in a couple years i can afford an E350 CDI, so i cruise Europe in utter comfort with 300hp of diesel V6 on tap.
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Late model mercs are great in mechanical and interior terms, yeah. They're like the only german brand who have gone forward in logical design and quality. Easy to work on, logical layouts for everything, great interiors, nice to drive, friendly diagnostic architecture. They also design their suspension with comfort instead of ~~nurburgring laptimes~~ in mind so they actually feel like a luxury car to roll around in instead of a really expensive kart-with-a-beer-crate like BMW's do.
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