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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:I'd like to see all the castaways live on one beach from the beginning. It's a shame the one season they did that way turned out poorly, because it's a good concept. They just shouldn't do both that and a gender split. It made things...uncomfortable.
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May 29, 2015 20:43
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Did we ever have a situation where they increased the number of tribes through a switch up? Seeing how well the 3 tribes format works* and that they are going to start with 20, I believe there is a good chance that they eliminate 2 people and then go to 3 tribes. *mostly due to the fact that you can't establish a game winning 5/6 person alliance that is stable throughout the game in most cases.
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May 29, 2015 21:27
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Spatula City posted:It's a shame the one season they did that way turned out poorly, because it's a good concept. They just shouldn't do both that and a gender split. It made things...uncomfortable. I think that the gender split was done because it was the easiest way for the viewers to keep track of who was on which tribe.
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May 29, 2015 21:35
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Shane said he thought s31 would be 20 (2t) - 18 (3t) - merge. Philippines was fun where matsing was absorbed, but I think having a shuffle and absorption would have been more fun.
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May 29, 2015 21:35
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nuvan posted:Now that we're in the off-season... What they did on One World actually seems better to me. Two permanent tribes on the same camp, so you can talk to the enemy and make future alliances, but so that doing so would also be very risky since your own tribe might vote you out. That's a concept that I think could work better. In OW I think it was only like that for a few days though and then they moved to separate camps.
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Tide posted:Seems to me the best nuvan posted:Now that we're in the off-season...
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James315 posted:They could just use the Big Brother challenge/voting system, which was designed to avoid Pagongings. I actually think a Big Brother-esque system in Survivor could be neat. The problem is that there are 3 episodes of BB per week so you can really breath during the HOH, Nominations, Veto Comp, etc. The BB episodes where they do all 3 in one episode gets a little intense (but they are fun). I just don't know how wild I would be about an entire season of 3 challenges per episode + eviction.
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May 30, 2015 04:41
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I would like to see a season where there aren't any teams at all, and just skip straight to individual immunity. Would be hell on the editors, though.
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May 30, 2015 04:49
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Narcissus1916 posted:I would like to see a season where there aren't any teams at all, and just skip straight to individual immunity. Would be hell on the editors, though. e; Well, no, I misread -- I guess theirs was more about groups winning immunity with varying groups every challenge. I think it would be doable, except for the confusion as to who's who. They would probably need to start out with a lower number of castaways, like 15 or 13, and throw in a few non-elimination episodes a la TAR.
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May 30, 2015 05:33
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James315 posted:They could just use the Big Brother challenge/voting system, which was designed to avoid Pagongings. The BB system is poo poo, because it overvalues competition strength. It's not that enjoyable to see Mike and Joe (if they would ever make the merge under such a system) team up and run the game through their competition power alone. Oh and doing it on a 3day schedule would be tough.
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May 30, 2015 08:22
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The thing is, Big Brother STILL has pagongings. Its just that they take even longer because of a random week or two where somebody manages to periodically win control. But its rare to see those moments shift the game in huge ways. Goddamn it guys, I'm drunk and seriously considering throwing money at CBS' All Access so I can watch early season survivor.
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May 30, 2015 09:58
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People exaggerate the number of Pagongings and also the boredom/predictability of most of the technical Pagongings case by case. It also takes a hell of a lot of savvy and control to succesfully orchestrate a Pagonging, which I can definitely appreciate. edit: s30 was a 'Pagonging' on paper for the most part but it's not like those post-merge episodes were bereft of intrigue or interesting happenings.
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May 30, 2015 10:43
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I dunno, things would have been really really dire if Mike hadn't pulled an immunity run out of his rear end. I would have been checked out of the season a lot earlier if it weren't for the assumption that something must be coming to warrant all the pre-season praise Probst was offering. The amount of interpersonal drama almost made things worse; the merge dynamics seemed so combustable and there were signs that a turnaround was around the corner and then...nothing. Then again, Panama owned despite being more or less a Pagonging so it just depends on the people involved edit: There is an alternate universe Worlds Apart where Mike lost an immunity and the season is edited to present Rodney as the dominant Kim Spradlin figure leading around Will/Dan/Tyler/Sierra/Carolyn. xbilkis fucked around with this message at 11:33 on May 30, 2015 |
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May 30, 2015 11:30
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xbilkis posted:if it weren't for the assumption that something must be coming to warrant all the pre-season praise Probst was offering. This is the strangest thing y'all keep saying (I'm picking on xbilkis here as the most recent example) and I don't understand it. Would "Man Hypes Own Show In Interview" be a shocking headline or something? That said, I'm a pretty new fan, so maybe I missed the years where Jeff's all dour in preseason interviews.
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May 30, 2015 12:04
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Nah, Jeff was really bad about overhyping seasons during the awful stretch from Nicaragua till recently. There was one season he said "this one is ok but next season is better", and the one he undersold was Philippians, the best season they'd had in years.  Although I guess to be fair while Philippians stopped the slide of terrible seasons, Caramoan was freaking awesome.
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pokeyman posted:This is the strangest thing y'all keep saying (I'm picking on xbilkis here as the most recent example) and I don't understand it. Would "Man Hypes Own Show In Interview" be a shocking headline or something? His hype seems to be based a lot on the winner, but also I guess maybe Worlds Apart looked way cooler at the time when he was out there than it did post-edit and on TV.
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Mike was basically his perfect winner and the edit showed him as a golden god, so I'm not surprised Jeff liked it so much.
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Yeah Mike is pretty much a Colby that won.
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Fast Luck posted:Jeff never hyped a season as hard as he hyped Worlds Apart, and the last one he really talked up was Caramoan, so it's not something he does every season. San Juan Del Sur was won by a woman, so this theory checks out.
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May 30, 2015 17:47
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BGrifter posted:Nah, Jeff was really bad about overhyping seasons during the awful stretch from Nicaragua till recently. There was one season he said "this one is ok but next season is better", and the one he undersold was Philippians, the best season they'd had in years. Oh ok, I didn't know he'd been so up and down on the various seasons. That makes more sense now.
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May 30, 2015 18:19
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Also in Max's exit interviews he said something like "Yeah I know Probst is hyping this season up a lot and if you're a fan you might be disappointed right now and confused about why he said that, but just wait because trust me this season is incredible and probably going to go down as the best or second best of all time." And I believed him. 
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mancalamania posted:Also in Max's exit interviews he said something like "Yeah I know Probst is hyping this season up a lot and if you're a fan you might be disappointed right now and confused about why he said that, but just wait because trust me this season is incredible and probably going to go down as the best or second best of all time." Not surprising he has no idea what makes a good season of survivor, given how poo poo he was as a player. I wonder if he cancelled the Survivor class he teaches out of sheer embarrassment.
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May 30, 2015 19:26
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Yeah, I never heard of Max before this season but now I'm officially going to take everything he ever says about Survivor and assume the opposite. That being said, yeah, I get why Jeff hyped this one. As said, Mike is his perfect winner and it was a fun ride watching him beat the masses. But it really would have sucked if he had lost an immunity and we were sitting here debating whether Carolyn got screwed or Rodney really was some kind of social mastermind.
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May 30, 2015 20:32
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Don't worry about Max, he still thinks very highly of himself.
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xbilkis posted:Then again, Panama owned despite being more or less a Pagonging so it just depends on the people involved I'm rewatching this along with the cesternino re-watch and bruce's medivac has to be the funniest episode in survivor history. There might be some singular moments that are funnier, but that episode top to bottom is the funniest.
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May 30, 2015 20:51
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I randomly picked a past season to watch, landing on Pearl Islands. The theme is rad, the challenges are rad but I just got to the castaway tribe revote in twist. I bet Andrew was fuming after that.
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May 31, 2015 00:12
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Dugong posted:I randomly picked a past season to watch, landing on Pearl Islands. The theme is rad, the challenges are rad but I just got to the castaway tribe revote in twist. I bet Andrew was fuming after that. He's been fuming for about 11 years. And he still hates that pissant Johnny Fairplay.
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May 31, 2015 00:22
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Shakugan posted:Not surprising he has no idea what makes a good season of survivor, given how poo poo he was as a player. I wonder if he cancelled the Survivor class he teaches out of sheer embarrassment. He doesn't teach a class on Survivor. Go listen to his Second Chance interview. He goes into more detail.
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May 31, 2015 00:40
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He teaches a class on reality television, including marketing and regulation, using survivor as a case study. Actually, taught, cause he's a private sector consultant now.
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Dugong posted:I randomly picked a past season to watch, landing on Pearl Islands. The theme is rad, the challenges are rad but I just got to the castaway tribe revote in twist. I bet Andrew was fuming after that. There's a reason Savage deserves a Second Chance so drat much and might very well be the one I'm rooting for the hardest. Mostly I just hope he gets a decent tribe and doesn't get screwed by a twist. Poor, poor Pearl Islands Savage. He's probably gonna end up with Kass, Abi Marie, Spencer, Fishbauch, Kimmi, Varner, and Cierra.
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May 31, 2015 01:03
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Smorgasbord posted:He's been fuming for about 11 years. And he still hates that pissant Johnny Fairplay. I love that Fairplay turned out to be even weirder and more annoying in the real world than anyone could have possibly guessed watching him on Survivor. The only way I'd ever want to see Rupert back on Survivor would be as part of a gimmick that saw two tribes, one of which has to live with Rupert as a non-playing tribe member and the other gets Fairplay. Castaways being forced to endure Rupert and/or Fairplay the entire game would be a pretty entertaining torture test. Hell, mix in Danny Bonaduce and make it three tribes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1_VjxFTUmM
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May 31, 2015 03:13
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BGrifter posted:I love that Fairplay turned out to be even weirder and more annoying in the real world than anyone could have possibly guessed watching him on Survivor.
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May 31, 2015 03:59
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STAC Goat posted:There's a reason Savage deserves a Second Chance so drat much and might very well be the one I'm rooting for the hardest. Shane seems to think that Savage and Terry Dietz have a good chance of running the game together. I love Savage so it's great for me to see him back, but you should listen to The Evolution of Strategy episode about Panama because it might change your mind a bit about how good of a player Savage really was. That being said I love Savage and can't wait to see him back.
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May 31, 2015 04:37
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SalTheBard posted:Shane seems to think that Savage and Terry Dietz have a good chance of running the game together. I love Savage so it's great for me to see him back, but you should listen to The Evolution of Strategy episode about Panama because it might change your mind a bit about how good of a player Savage really was. That being said I love Savage and can't wait to see him back. Savage v Terry smells like a fun early game storyline but I don't see either going deep. Maybe Terry as a shield/reliable vote for a strategic player like Stephen. And I'm a big Savage fan but no doubt he made some blunders first time around.
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I think Shane was dead on when he said Terry needs to find a brain. He's a smart guy, but he's so thoroughly conditioned into military thinking he doesn't really have the social skills for a game like Survivor. He knows how to lead, knows how to follow, but isn't particularly good at those soft interpersonal skills.
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BGrifter posted:I think Shane was dead on when he said Terry needs to find a brain. He's a smart guy, but he's so thoroughly conditioned into military thinking he doesn't really have the social skills for a game like Survivor. He knows how to lead, knows how to follow, but isn't particularly good at those soft interpersonal skills. I'm rewatching Panama for the first time right now and Terry's attempts to get the lower tier Casaya members to flip to his side after the merge are almost painfully bad. His team is down 4-6 and he is trying to hustle to get someone to flip but he seems unable to even entertain the notion of promising anyone final 4 or beyond because he's so stuck to his La Mina members. So all his pitches are like "Hey, Bruce/Cirie/whoever...I have a solid 4. How would you like to join us and then you wouldn't have to worry about anything for the next two weeks?"
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May 31, 2015 05:39
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Savage is a good friend of Jeff, so don't expect him to get screwed by the initial tribe composition or some random twist.
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GaussianCopula posted:Savage is a good friend of Jeff, so don't expect him to get screwed by the initial tribe composition or some random twist. I've been thinking about tribe composition if it is as rumored 2 tribes of 10 initially. There's a few archetypes I think they'd like to have on seperate tribes especially for the men. I'm thinking Terry/Savage, Stephen/Spencer, Woo/Keith are guys they will want to separate from their pair for story purposes. Obviously Woo & Keith are physically mismatched so they'd try to compensate for that by probably putting Jeff on Woo's tribe v Joe on Keith's side. Jeremy and Vytas are roughly equivalent physically/gameplay wise so go to whichever tribe.
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