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I haven't done Point Lookout or Broken Steel yet, but good heavens are the FO3 DLC's short. Finished Operation Anchorage in an afternoon, The Pitt didn't take much longer, and Mothership Zeta looks like I'll be able to finish it tonight. I sure hope these weren't too pricey at release.
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drkeiscool posted:I haven't done Point Lookout or Broken Steel yet, but good heavens are the FO3 DLC's short. Finished Operation Anchorage in an afternoon, The Pitt didn't take much longer, and Mothership Zeta looks like I'll be able to finish it tonight. I sure hope these weren't too pricey at release. They each cost $10 at launch, same as the New Vegas ones.
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Sankis posted:Wasn't there some bad blood between Obsidian and Bethesda in regard to payment following the release of New Vegas? Unless I'm completely wrong (and I hope I am) I can't imagine Obsidian signing up for that again. i remember reading something saying that obsidian and bethesda parted on good terms. i honestly wouldn't be too shocked if a spin off game gets announced a year after fo4 is released.
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Republican Vampire posted:Like I said: They've had a couple rear end in a top hat leaders. But the wasteland as a whole is a pretty toxic place full of horrible people. The NCR is habitually way worse, and so is House by the time New Vegas rolls around. not really, though
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Jun 6, 2015 09:02
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ShadowMar posted:They each cost $10 at launch, same as the New Vegas ones. That's hilarious
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Jun 6, 2015 09:16
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drkeiscool posted:I haven't done Point Lookout or Broken Steel yet, but good heavens are the FO3 DLC's short. Finished Operation Anchorage in an afternoon, The Pitt didn't take much longer, and Mothership Zeta looks like I'll be able to finish it tonight. I sure hope these weren't too pricey at release.
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Jun 6, 2015 09:20
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drkeiscool posted:I haven't done Point Lookout or Broken Steel yet, but good heavens are the FO3 DLC's short. Finished Operation Anchorage in an afternoon, The Pitt didn't take much longer, and Mothership Zeta looks like I'll be able to finish it tonight. I sure hope these weren't too pricey at release. Point Lookout is the only FO3 DLC that's really worth it, frankly. Broken Steel has a great set piece though.
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Jun 6, 2015 09:22
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Shooting Blanks posted:Point Lookout is the only FO3 DLC that's really worth it, frankly. Broken Steel has a great set piece though. Broken Steel finally lets you show the BoS the error of their Capital Wasteland ways.
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Jun 6, 2015 09:23
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mackintosh posted:Broken Steel finally lets you show the BoS the error of their Capital Wasteland ways. Isn't the water still irradiated in Broken Steel? That was probably the first thing I checked.
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Jun 6, 2015 09:25
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Fallout without gamebryo wouldn't be Fallout. I'll hate and love the game in equal measure.
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Jun 6, 2015 09:27
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sout posted:Isn't the water still irradiated in Broken Steel? That was probably the first thing I checked. Yeah. The sweep it under the rug as it just being less irradiated than before. Also the Mirelurks around the water purifier have less health because they thrived in irradiated water.
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Roobanguy posted:i remember reading something saying that obsidian and bethesda parted on good terms. i honestly wouldn't be too shocked if a spin off game gets announced a year after fo4 is released. Well that makes me happier. Now I just hope it's something Bethesda and Obsidian would do again!
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Jun 6, 2015 09:44
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Mikojan posted:Fallout without You know it 
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Sheen Sheen posted:In conclusion, Fallout is an American as gently caress game in every respect (EDIT: much more so than just the opening music The Russian Fallout game is better than Fallout 
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), and I can't say that I care about what happened in other parts of the world in this series, and I think it's silly for other people to care that much. If you want a Canadian/Chinese/Japanese/British/Arabic/Uzbekistani Fallout game that focuses on cultural themes for those countries, make one yourself, or convince someone from those countries to make them.
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Das Butterbrot posted:The Russian Fallout game is better than Fallout Only because they have real experience to base it on.
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Jun 6, 2015 10:33
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Fallout took most of its inspiration from Mad Max, which is australian. So Fallout is actually Australian as gently caress 
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Funny they haven't made a post apocalyptic setting as grim as the British film 'Threads' yet.
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I've always found the thing about FO3 vs. NV to be interesting. I honestly found them to be pretty much the same level of quality and fun (though I have sunk far more hours into New Vegas because of all the endings). But virtually everyone else I know has strong feelings towards one or the other. I feel like I'm some kind of weirdo for enjoying both games. 
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AbrahamLincolnLog posted:I've always found the thing about FO3 vs. NV to be interesting. I honestly found them to be pretty much the same level of quality and fun (though I have sunk far more hours into New Vegas because of all the endings). But virtually everyone else I know has strong feelings towards one or the other. Yeah, imo they're such similar games it seems crazy to me that you could love one and hate the other. I mean, yes, New Vegas does some things better and I prefer it, 3 does some neat things too, but in terms of gameplay they're virtually identical.
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Jun 6, 2015 11:00
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Zzulu posted:Fallout took most of its inspiration from Mad Max, which is australian. So Fallout is actually Australian as gently caress Actually a mix of A Boy and His Dog and Mad Max, so both American and Australian as gently caress.
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greatBigJerk posted:Actually a mix of A Boy and His Dog and Mad Max, so both American and Australian as gently caress. I Have No AP And I Must Shoot Groins
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I always felt 3 had better atmosphere and NV had better gameplay. But atmosphere doesn't make up for a lack of polished or additional mechanics. Also NV's overworld is kind of desolate. Not in an end-of-the-world nuclear wasteland way, but in a "wow there's a whole lot of nothing here" way compared to 3. And also the random events in 3 made the wasteland feel a bit more alive. Granted 3 copied and pasted a lot of things.
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So I just finished Mothership Zeta, and while running through many identical corridors shooting the same aliens over and over was really boring, getting to shoot a disintegrator ray gun in a space suit was fun. The exploding mothership and deathray stuff was also awesome. I sincerely hope Bethesda (or Obsidian, if they get another crack at it) adapt Van Buren's main plot, because the ending of MZ felt like a tech demo for that. But actually space-walking was so boring. Push some panels on a flat plain. They didn't even change the gravity! In Space! I feel it also suffers a bit from what Operation Anchorage did in that it really requires a certain character build to take advantage of it (energy weapons, basically).
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AbrahamLincolnLog posted:I've always found the thing about FO3 vs. NV to be interesting. I honestly found them to be pretty much the same level of quality and fun (though I have sunk far more hours into New Vegas because of all the endings). But virtually everyone else I know has strong feelings towards one or the other. the gameplay is virtually identical so it's pretty easy to enjoy them both on that level. most of the people--myself included--who vastly prefer new vegas do so because it has much better writing and a more interesting story, and was also a lot more consistent with the tone of the classic fallout games. that said, even if i have my misgivings about 3, i really enjoyed it when it came out. Theta Zero posted:Also NV's overworld is kind of desolate. Not in an end-of-the-world nuclear wasteland way, but in a "wow there's a whole lot of nothing here" way compared to 3. And also the random events in 3 made the wasteland feel a bit more alive. Granted 3 copied and pasted a lot of things. i kinda feel the opposite because of the copy and pasting. new vegas had a smaller world with maybe comparatively less things in it, but i feel like all the things it did have were way more substantial and unique than the countless subway tunnels and empty houses of fallout 3. Cardboard Box fucked around with this message at 11:30 on Jun 6, 2015 |
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Wolfsheim posted:If I'm remembering right the only way to join the Khans in the first game is by beating their sex slaves to death because their boss is bored with them i cans ee this is a very morally grey and nuanced faction
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I don't particularly like the shooty-gameplay in either title but for me the devil is in the details as well. Tons of weapons in NV, iron-sights, weapon modding, crafting, hardcore mode and much less level-scaling (there is some minor stuff but very little) does wonders. And while most people tend to separate story/writing from the gameplay, they are pretty intertwined in how you can interact with the gameworld and its factions. That's gameplay to me. In Fallout 3, I feel like I'm running around in a game-world shooting things which populate it. In New Vegas, it feels like I am actually interacting with the game-world and changing (while also shooting things). Sadly, a lot of the initial changes to SPECIAL and how you level up that were there initially in NV (harder to specialize in many skills and so forth) unfortunately got thrown out the window with the DLC releases. Also, while NV is more restrictive with where the player goes (which... makes sense, as there isn't as much level-scaling) it's just not linear. No. There is a path you can go which is clearly there if one wants to follow the main quest through, but you don't have to follow that. While I got gloriously murdered (and scared to death) by a Cazadore while going north from Goodsprings (I've gotten through on replays though), I found my way to Novac while not going through the "loop" around Mojave Outpost and Nipton because there is a pass (might be more ways to cross, not sure) through the mountains beyond the Powder ganger prison. This was done by some simple exploring. F3 felt pretty flat, with a lot of level-scaled content everywhere so you could run off almost anywhere from the start. Personally, I don't think that makes for fun exploration in games but... opinions obviously differ.
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Sankis posted:Wasn't there some bad blood between Obsidian and Bethesda in regard to payment following the release of New Vegas? Unless I'm completely wrong (and I hope I am) I can't imagine Obsidian signing up for that again. Obsidian is making shovelware tank MMOs to keep the wolf from the door, I think they'd jump at the chance to make a proper RPG.
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maev posted:Funny they haven't made a post apocalyptic setting as grim as the British film 'Threads' yet. You could set up a really convincing apocalyptic scenario using Sheffield as a location- the grim harshness of life, raiders, strange tribes, abandoned buildings- the struggles of living in such bleak conditions with nothing but suffering all around. And then a nuclear war happens.
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maev posted:Funny they haven't made a post apocalyptic setting as grim as the British film 'Threads' yet. Speaking of which, I found this depressing British film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdtpvoOXn2o.
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Sic Semper Goon posted:Speaking of which, I found this depressing British film: Sic Semper Goon posted:Speaking of which, I found this depressing British film: This British film is is blocked in my country, Great Britain, on copyright grounds. Too bad.
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Frankston posted:This British film is is blocked in my country, Great Britain, on copyright grounds. Too bad. If you lived in America you could access all the world's media
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Frankston posted:This British film is is blocked in my country, Great Britain, on copyright grounds. Too bad. Well, I guess you have to miss out on watching your animated countrymen slowly dying of radiation sickness.
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Mortimer posted:A building with spooky ambient noises? Yeah FNV has tons. FNV also has places with atmosphere and story like Vault 11, something FO3 writers couldn't ever think up. The goofy stuff is cool and I hope 4 has a lot of it also.
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Theta Zero posted:I always felt 3 had better atmosphere and NV had better gameplay. But atmosphere doesn't make up for a lack of polished or additional mechanics. FO3 was made by a dev whose bread and butter is first person open world games. That's literally all they've done for like 20 years - they know how to implement a setting even if they're sometimes at a bit of a loss as to what to do with it. Also I was pretty surprised reading that wiki that said FO3 only had 17 full on sidequests, but thinking about it that seems pretty accurate. It's nice that the minor stuff that doesn't require you to trek across the wasteland isn't popping up all over your screen and journal tho
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drkeiscool posted:But actually space-walking was so boring. Push some panels on a flat plain. They didn't even change the gravity! In Space! I feel it also suffers a bit from what Operation Anchorage did in that it really requires a certain character build to take advantage of it (energy weapons, basically). Yeah, they were fairly cool premises in theory that were kind of lame in practice since they relied on a single (weak) aspect of the gameplay. They should have built them out a bit more or improved on the combat mechanics.
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Frankston posted:This British film is is blocked in my country, Great Britain, on copyright grounds. Too bad. Maybe you can watch superior Uzbek animation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcCKXVkGCGM
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Generic Monk posted:Yeah, they were fairly cool premises in theory that were kind of lame in practice since they relied on a single (weak) aspect of the gameplay. They should have built them out a bit more or improved on the combat mechanics. I'll be pretty disappointed if their e3 stage demo doesn't have a section going over the ways they improved the gun combat.
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Sharkopath posted:I'll be pretty disappointed if their e3 stage demo doesn't have a section going over the ways they improved the gun combat. At the very least, I'd hope they've incorporated the changes New Vegas made.
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Sharkopath posted:I'll be pretty disappointed if their e3 stage demo doesn't have a section going over the ways they improved the gun combat. "See that mountain? You can snipe an enemy over there."
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ymgve posted:"See that mountain? You can snipe an enemy over there." You can snipe them from the other side of the mountains now, if you have a spotter.
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