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Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Keiya posted:

I retagged that Zelda song from Weird Al to System of a Down on the recommendation of some site that kept track of stuff like that. Apparently they didn't do a terribly good job.

About that...

http://kotaku.com/5885558/no-system-of-a-down-did-not-make-a-zelda-song-but-this-guy-did

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Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
Speaking of obsolete, "Unregistered HyperCam 2" has to be up there somewhere.

Croccers
Jun 15, 2012

GOTTA STAY FAI posted:

Taliban Twister actually played on our local news, it was weird as hell to see it on TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jioReLuSonQ
But they also did:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4NqaotPa_E

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjv7PZTxiz0

1000 Brown M and Ms
Oct 22, 2008

F:\DL>quickfli 4-clowns.fli

Cheers. I seriously thought that was System for a long time. The guy really does sound like Serj Tankian.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule



Can confirm was used as propaganda in the Aussie Army basic training in 2002.

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli
Speaking of old methods of piracy, do game rips count?
Namely the guidelines to how a rip should get created is a fascinating memento of a time where CDs from shady markets consisting of at least several games compressed into itty bitty spaces were a thing. 500mb could go a long long way back then.

old bean factory
Nov 18, 2006

Will ya close the fucking doors?!
That's fascinating, I love getting peeks behind the scene (:v:) to see how groups work.

Red Alert 2 without music and cut scenes was really boring to play, I have to say.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

mng posted:

Red Alert 2 without music and cut scenes was really boring to play, I have to say.
So was Metal Gear Solid, though to be fair, that has to be the gold standard of compression when you consider cutscenes nonessential data.

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

My Lovely Horse posted:

So was Metal Gear Solid, though to be fair, that has to be the gold standard of compression when you consider cutscenes nonessential data.

It helps that all of the cut scenes used the in-game models. Setting up shots and animation for what's used in the game already doesn't require many resources. What pushed MGS1 into a second disc was all the audio.

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

Star Man posted:

It helps that all of the cut scenes used the in-game models. Setting up shots and animation for what's used in the game already doesn't require many resources. What pushed MGS1 into a second disc was all the audio.

Compare that to Mechwarrior 2, which was its own soundtrack CD and all the game data was just Track 1.

Karasu Tengu
Feb 16, 2011

Humble Tengu Newspaper Reporter

Lemniscate Blue posted:

Compare that to Mechwarrior 2, which was its own soundtrack CD and all the game data was just Track 1.

Nope, that's just a Redbook Audio game disk. A lot of early CD PC and console games worked by encoding the data as track 1, and this is why many of them warn you to not play it on a normal CD player.

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

Elliotw2 posted:

Nope, that's just a Redbook Audio game disk. A lot of early CD PC and console games worked by encoding the data as track 1, and this is why many of them warn you to not play it on a normal CD player.

Weird, because my copy of Descent II encourages you to. It's just the first track that's bad news. The rest is fine. I also loved it when PSX games had some or all of their music on redbook.

Redrum and Coke
Feb 25, 2006

wAstIng 10 bUcks ON an aVaTar iS StUpid
Since there's a lot of interest in film, I recommend the documentary Side by Side. It features interviews with directors and cinematographers regarding film, digital, etc.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Side_by_Side_%282012_film%29

C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013

mng posted:

That's fascinating, I love getting peeks behind the scene (:v:) to see how groups work.

Red Alert 2 without music and cut scenes was really boring to play, I have to say.

Have you seen this yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCAL_YgYiP0

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

Non Serviam posted:

Since there's a lot of interest in film, I recommend the documentary Side by Side. It features interviews with directors and cinematographers regarding film, digital, etc.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Side_by_Side_%282012_film%29

Thanks, gonna watch this.

GOTTA STAY FAI
Mar 24, 2005

~no glitter in the gutter~
~no twilight galaxy~
College Slice
A buddy of mine back in the day was super pissed that he got "ripped off" when he bought a combo pack of Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 from Sam's Club, saying that the only discs in the box were Fallout 2 and the Fallout 1 soundtrack. He calmed down when he figured out that while the label said "Official Soundtrack" and had a track listing, the second disc was filled to the brim with in-game music you could play in a CD player, as well as containing a separate track with the full first game on it, manuals, reference cards, and some bonus stuff.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

That reminds me of the early days of mixed audio/data CDs, when players that could handle (i.e. ignore) the data tracks weren't common yet and the CDs would have big warning labels saying to always make sure to skip track 1. :allears:

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli

Non Serviam posted:

Since there's a lot of interest in film, I recommend the documentary Side by Side. It features interviews with directors and cinematographers regarding film, digital, etc.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Side_by_Side_%282012_film%29
I went to a talk featuring Dean Semler (who shot Dances with Wolves) and he was talking about how digital was the only way they were able to shoot Apocolypto as previous attempts to shoot in the same rainforest basically ended up with only a fraction of the day being light enough to shoot in and the rest of the time they were at the pub waiting.

He also mentioned there's only about two film processing places left in LA, where film is mostly used as a preservation method over a distribution method. And while things are still shot on film, one of the big pushers are actors who are terrified that digital adds years to their face, so there's often a series of camera tests to reassure them that's not always the case.

There's an irony that today you get everything digitally scanned in and the world is your oyster when it comes to playing around with LUTs and the grade.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Star Man posted:

Weird, because my copy of Descent II encourages you to. It's just the first track that's bad news. The rest is fine. I also loved it when PSX games had some or all of their music on redbook.
Total Annihilation had its music as audio tracks as well, and had one of the best sound tracks of its era.


Obsolete technology: CD players.

1000 Brown M and Ms
Oct 22, 2008

F:\DL>quickfli 4-clowns.fli
I have one of those Windows 95 game sampler CDs (the one with the space station you can explore) and it has audio tracks you can play with a regular CD player. IIRC they weren't music but PA announcements. It was a little weird when I discovered them.

The next time I go home I'll try to find my old PC games and see if any of them have Redbook audio. I have Descent II and I didn't know it had Redbook.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


I remember convincing my parents that I was listening to the police with my stereo by putting in the GTA 1 PC CD into the stereo and playing track 4 (?).

Also original Carmageddon CD had the whole soundtrack. It was a purely instrumental version of a Fear Factory album which I loved. A year or two later I was introduced to Fear factory, bought their older albums and was blown away that I had actually been a fan for so long and not known.

Wanamingo
Feb 22, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Collateral Damage posted:

Obsolete technology: CD players.

Hell, I'd say computer discs drives are obsolete too. Can't actually remember the last time I used one of those things. A lot of laptops don't come with then anymore, even.

Ape Has Killed Ape
Sep 15, 2005

Wanamingo posted:

Hell, I'd say computer discs drives are obsolete too. Can't actually remember the last time I used one of those things. A lot of laptops don't come with then anymore, even.

The last time I had to use a CD drive was to install the network driver after I finished building my computer.

minato
Jun 7, 2004

cutty cain't hang, say 7-up.
Taco Defender

Wanamingo posted:

Hell, I'd say computer discs drives are obsolete too. Can't actually remember the last time I used one of those things. A lot of laptops don't come with then anymore, even.
Dell has taken a page out of Apple's book and is no longer shipping Ethernet ports either. Our wireless network is flakey enough that we need to cart around a USB->Ethernet dongle to lose. <:mad:>

We've gone full-circle - my Toshiba Satellite from ~2000 was so old that it didn't even have an Ethernet port. It had a fax/modem port though.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

I had to burn a CD at work once and was surprised to learn that while my PC had a drive, it was read only. Had to go to IT to get an external burner and they had to dig deep in a closet to find one for me.

old bean factory
Nov 18, 2006

Will ya close the fucking doors?!

That was great, thanks! A lot of cocky 13/30-something year olds.

Serperoth
Feb 21, 2013



Wanamingo posted:

Can't actually remember the last time I used one of those things.

I used one today (well my dad did). To install a tax programme. That came with the newspaper.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule



Something that SHOULD be obsolete. And will probably cause a huge derail.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Wanamingo posted:

Hell, I'd say computer discs drives are obsolete too. Can't actually remember the last time I used one of those things. A lot of laptops don't come with then anymore, even.
Definitely. I left the DVD writer out when I rebuilt my computer a few years ago, and I haven't missed it. Actually come to think of it, nothing in my home is capable of reading optical media any more.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Collateral Damage posted:

Definitely. I left the DVD writer out when I rebuilt my computer a few years ago, and I haven't missed it. Actually come to think of it, nothing in my home is capable of reading optical media any more.

This made me look at my tower and realize the drive I DO have in it is compatible with HD DVD hahah. I think I still have King Kong on that format somewhere.

Things becoming obsolete. 1080p displays. Everything is going 4K or 'UHD'.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry
I still use optical media for Netflix DVDs and for playing some of my old games that I can't be assed to get a no-CD crack for.

Vanagoon
Jan 20, 2008


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I'm grandpa I guess but I like having an actual OS disc in the event the computer gets hosed.

Unless they come up with some sort of self replicating usb. The Windows app Rufus ( https://rufus.akeo.ie/ ) in the form of a USB device would be magical. Give it a thumb drive or a usb optical drive or whatever containing your os image on one end and the drive you want to make bootable on the other and press the button.

WITCHCRAFT
Aug 28, 2007

Berries That Burn

Atal Vataman posted:

also, a small contribution to the thread: BAVC's video artifact atlas. it's still quite small, but a nice resource: http://avaa.bavc.org/artifactatlas/index.php/A/V_Artifact_Atlas

This is dope as heck.

titties
May 10, 2012

They're like two suicide notes stuffed into a glitter bra

Wanamingo posted:

Hell, I'd say computer discs drives are obsolete too. Can't actually remember the last time I used one of those things. A lot of laptops don't come with then anymore, even.

Mine plays blu-ray so it still gets used.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

The laptops we buy at work, especially for our field sales, haven't had optical drives in years. So of course last year HR burnt like 50 disks and sent them to all the field dudes and threw a fit when we told them they didn't have anything to play them on.

Lowen SoDium
Jun 5, 2003

Highen Fiber
Clapping Larry

minato posted:

Dell has taken a page out of Apple's book and is no longer shipping Ethernet ports either. Our wireless network is flakey enough that we need to cart around a USB->Ethernet dongle to lose. <:mad:>

We've gone full-circle - my Toshiba Satellite from ~2000 was so old that it didn't even have an Ethernet port. It had a fax/modem port though.

That's not really a Dell or Apple thing. It's an ultrabook thing done to save space. Asus and Acer do it on their ultra thing books too, but not on their larger laptops and workstation replacements.

minato
Jun 7, 2004

cutty cain't hang, say 7-up.
Taco Defender
Anyone remember shaped CDs? These were novelty CDs that were non-circular. Half the time the drive wouldn't recognize them, or they'd be badly made and shatter in the drive because some of them had a center of gravity that wasn't in the middle of the hole.



SLOSifl
Aug 10, 2002


Vanagoon posted:

I'm grandpa I guess but I like having an actual OS disc in the event the computer gets hosed.
Modern Macs can reinstall the os over the internet. Windows probably supports something like that too.

BTW the internet is that thing your grandkids are using instead of listening to you when they visit.

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Lowen SoDium
Jun 5, 2003

Highen Fiber
Clapping Larry

minato posted:

Anyone remember shaped CDs? These were novelty CDs that were non-circular. Half the time the drive wouldn't recognize them, or they'd be badly made and shatter in the drive because some of them had a center of gravity that wasn't in the middle of the hole.





Yeah, and they couldn't be used in a slot loading drive or a cd changer cartridge which ruled out pretty much every car player.

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