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UP AND ADAM posted:The Witcher 3 is better than any Fallout game in any aspect you could name. Number of friendly robots.
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I've read a lot of the fallout lore, and played the 4 canonical games a ton each, and its pretty obvious that the war was caused on purpose. Good old US Patriotic Paranoia wanted to scour the earth clean and so the Enclave formed within the US government to facilitate the war and building of the American Future. West Tek, Vault Tek, RobCo and other big corporations were in on this and were building technologies to help the Real America survive (the Elites and those who had the right beliefs) and enable the Enclave to overpower anyone who may be left after the bombs dropped. It didn't go perfectly because the Chinese launched first so there wasn't time for everyone to get to where they needed to go. Not to mention places like the Sierra Madre which would have been pretty much a Galt's Gulch for the Elites didn't function in the way their creators intended because they had insane scientists building everything. Plus the whole Vault Project was revealed to be a series of social experiments. Some were control, but most had some thing that was meant to be studied. You can't argue thats not obvious because its literally in every vault in 3 and NV. There is a weird thing that all this was to test humans on long term space travel. Sharkopath posted:Number of friendly robots. No Big Iron or Johnny Guitar.
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Jun 7, 2015 19:35
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SunAndSpring posted:Not sure why Bethesda doesn't just offer to let Obsidian collaborate with them. Obsidian is perfectly willing to do so with inXile and seem eager to work on Fallout again. Why not give them the chance? maybe they think their own product is perfectly serviceable in any imaginable way.
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Jun 7, 2015 19:35
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UP AND ADAM posted:The Witcher 3 is better than any Fallout game in any aspect you could name. Setting, characters
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Jun 7, 2015 19:38
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Jimbot posted:I rather Obsidian team up with CDProjekt. The Red engine seems to actually be well made and not broken (still prone to the jank, though, which is fine). Having great facial animations makes a world of difference and Obsidian's writing make use of that really well. I think Obsidian should do the next Elder Scrolls game, at least in partnership with Bethesda. Skyrim's story was a yawner for me. The only great thing about Skyrim is that it's great for mods.
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Jun 7, 2015 19:38
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cthulhoo posted:maybe they think their own product is perfectly serviceable in any imaginable way. Yeah but getting a few of them as contractors to do writing, art and logic programming for a few extra side quests can be nothing but a good thing. it's just making more content. obv. they think their poo poo smells so good it doesnt need to be watered down but a proper collaboration like that could work on this.
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Jun 7, 2015 19:39
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Why wouldn't Bethesda just hire new blood if they need someone else? There's nothing to gain from getting people from Obsidian specifically, and considering the two devs are at the opposite costs of the United States, it'd be kind of a logistical nightmare too.
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:Why wouldn't Bethesda just hire new blood if they need someone else? There's nothing to gain from getting people from Obsidian specifically, and considering the two devs are at the opposite costs of the United States, it'd be kind of a logistical nightmare too.
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Jun 7, 2015 19:44
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I know I'll be unable to resist trying it, even though Bethesda has never caused me anything but absolute searing agony. I think something is broken inside me that I continue to give them money even though I hate everything about them and all of their works. I came here because I need to say what I bet a lot of other people have said earlier in the thread, that I've never felt so alone as when I speak rationally about how abominable Bethesda games are, particularly in the narrative-and-dialogue department, and it was a genuine moment of bliss to see the piece on "Fallout 4's Best Dialogue." I don't think anyone's ever...agreed with me on that before. twistedmentat posted:I've read a lot of the fallout lore, and played the 4 canonical games a ton each, and its pretty obvious that the war was caused on purpose. didn't one of Bethesda's nightmare fuel Fallout 3 DLCs imply that aliens had caused the nuclear war? I have never been so furious about any creative decision in my entire life as I was when I heard that crawlkill fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Jun 7, 2015 |
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Jun 7, 2015 19:49
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UP AND ADAM posted:The Witcher 3 is better than any Fallout game in any aspect you could name. Not enough guns.
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Jun 7, 2015 19:52
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crawlkill posted:I know I'll be unable to resist trying it, even though Bethesda has never caused me anything but absolute searing agony. I think something is broken inside me that I continue to give them money even though I hate everything about them and all of their works. You seem really cool.
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Jun 7, 2015 19:53
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crawlkill posted:didn't one of Bethesda's nightmare fuel Fallout 3 DLCs imply that aliens had caused the nuclear war? I have never been so furious about any creative decision in my entire life as I was when I heard that
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Jun 7, 2015 19:57
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uhhh fallout 3 has a 91 metacritic and new vegas only an 84, clearly bethesda is better than obsidian at making fallout games _________________\| 
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Jun 7, 2015 19:58
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The fact that people think bethesda games are good gives me stress hives and heart fibrillation
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Jun 7, 2015 19:58
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Shugojin posted:uhhh fallout 3 has a 91 metacritic and new vegas only an 84, clearly bethesda is better than obsidian at making fallout games which as you probably know cost Obsidian royalties on the game (they needed an 85 or something to get royalties, which is, and they admit it, an INSANE way to do business). they ended up having to lay a bunch of people off over that. so EVEN THE ONE GOOD THING TO HAPPEN TO FALLOUT SINCE BETHESDA CAME ALONG HAS A SOUR TASTE TO IT. the really irritating thing is that New Vegas is just "Fallout 3 improved in every way." it's crazy that the score is lower, and I hate that we live in this world.
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Jun 7, 2015 20:01
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Shugojin posted:uhhh fallout 3 has a 91 metacritic and new vegas only an 84, clearly bethesda is better than obsidian at making fallout games
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Jun 7, 2015 20:02
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crawlkill posted:which as you probably know cost Obsidian royalties on the game (they needed an 85 or something to get royalties, which is, and they admit it, an INSANE way to do business). they ended up having to lay a bunch of people off over that. so EVEN THE ONE GOOD THING TO HAPPEN TO FALLOUT SINCE BETHESDA CAME ALONG HAS A SOUR TASTE TO IT. Yeah that contract was idiotic and it hosed them out of royalties and pretty much any chance of doing another game for Bethesda.
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Jun 7, 2015 20:06
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Baron Bifford posted:I say it's down to lack of originality. If a sequel is not a dramatic change on the previous installment, game journalists will actually lower their scores for lack of originality. It's unfair. I think the Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty series have suffered from this. People are pissing on CoD games not so much because they're badly designed but because they are too samey. I agree that that's probably the logic that was going on, but it's mentally exhausting to tally the reasons it's invalid applying to New Vegas, in particular. I can understand diminishing satisfaction when basically the same game is being released annually, but New Vegas was ACTUALLY GOOD. like, characters spoke words, and you got a sense of their personality! you could remember them! what you did made a difference, but you weren't some bizarre Messianic hero bringing magic water to the wastes! New Vegas came in the same poo poo shell that Fallout 3 did, but in terms of what was being done with that bugfuck engine, the difference was light and day. I'm sure you agree, I'm just venting here
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Jun 7, 2015 20:06
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:They've been doing it for three games. They'll do it for a fourth. It's so lazy. At least make it so you can't engage combat with the immortals.
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Jun 7, 2015 20:07
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Shugojin posted:Yeah that contract was idiotic and it hosed them out of royalties and pretty much any chance of doing another game for Bethesda. it ALMOST made sense, though. I mean, if I were a dreaming optimist at Obsidian, I'd go, "hey, look, everyone loved that terrible game, and we know we can do better! it's a sure thing!" of course sure things never actually are Kurtofan posted:It's so lazy. At least make it so you can't engage combat with the immortals. this was the moment I realized everything everyone said about Bethesda was wrong. Oblivion had been out for a while, I hated it, kept trying to understand why anyone liked it. I get the assassin's guild missions, have to do some despicable stuff, but I figure, okay, they've got this Night Mother figurehead--I'll sully myself so in the end I can take her down. they even develop a plot about a guy trying to do exactly that! "okay," I think, "the game's building up to let me choose to take her down or side with her at the end." get to the end, where you meet the Night Mother in a little grotto and the traitor attacks her--no option to join him. I run the encounter several times, him attacking ME instead of her for some reason as -I- try to cut her down. eventually, I turn on the console, select her and 'kill.' "The Night Mother has fallen unconscious." Bethesda is trash for trash people.
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One thing that pleased me about New Vegas is that it had farms. Fallout 3 had no agriculture whatsoever, which left me wondering how the gently caress all the people of Megaton and the aircraft carrier were feeding themselves. Obsidian clearly put more thought into their world.
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Jun 7, 2015 20:11
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SunAndSpring posted:Not sure why Bethesda doesn't just offer to let Obsidian collaborate with them. Obsidian is perfectly willing to do so with inXile and seem eager to work on Fallout again. Why not give them the chance? Why would they want to? It made sort-of sense to bring them back to make a West Coast story, but Fallout 3 made it clear that they can do a Fallout game that audiences enjoy. If they want to come back to do a LA/Boneyard story, fine, but keep them on a tight leash. Unrelated: I want to play Fallout 3 since I haven't in a while, but reading the wiki tells me I didn't really check out everything in Old World Blues but I really don't want to reslog through NV to get to a level to do it.
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Jun 7, 2015 20:12
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Baron Bifford posted:One thing that pleased me about New Vegas is that it had farms. Fallout 3 had no agriculture whatsoever, which left me wondering how the gently caress all the people of Megaton and the aircraft carrier were feeding themselves. Obsidian clearly put more thought into their world. Rivet City somehow produces all the food in DC for every settlement. No really, that was their lovely excuse.
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MisterBibs posted:but I really don't want to reslog through NV to get to a level to do it. just cheat? I'm sure you can console command yourself to an appropriate level and gear-place easily. I thhhink you can start OWB at any point, don't need to progress the story or anything. don't replay Fallout 3. you're better than that. I don't know who you are, but you're capable of speaking in complete sentences, so you're better than that.
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Jun 7, 2015 20:14
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MisterBibs posted:Why would they want to? It made sort-of sense to bring them back to make a West Coast story, but Fallout 3 made it clear that they can do a Fallout game that audiences enjoy. If they want to come back to do a LA/Boneyard story, fine, but keep them on a tight leash. crawlkill posted:don't replay Fallout 3. you're better than that. I don't know who you are, but you're capable of speaking in complete sentences, so you're better than that.
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Jun 7, 2015 20:14
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I like Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas. I will buy Fallout 4 and have a good time.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:I have bad news for you, speaking in complete sentences is not a prerequisite for working cognitive functions. I'm trying to save a life here, let me have some optimism (also you got that backward it would be working cognitive functions that weren't a prerequisite for speaking in complete sentences, jeez, try and get your weary insults right) crawlkill fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Jun 7, 2015 |
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crawlkill posted:I'm trying to save a life here, let me have some optimism (also you got that backward, it would be working cognitive functions that weren't a prerequisite for speaking in complete sentences, jeez, try and get your weary insults right) I'm pretty sure his early-development education consists solely of the back sides of cereal boxes
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I once met someone who liked Mothership Zeta. We argued for three hours.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:I don't think you know MisterBibs you keep editing your posts to try and make them more specifically insulting but the minimal bite has actually diminished each time you should stop doing that
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Jun 7, 2015 20:21
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crawlkill posted:you keep editing your posts to try and make them more specifically insulting but the minimal bite has actually diminished each time
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:reminder that this person has trouble with world of warcraft quests You keep bringing this up, and you keep forgetting that I loved WoW questing. I had a bunch of alts just because I liked leveling. The only time I had a 'problem' with questing was trying to find cave entrances. Questing was my wheelhouse. Way better than standing next to a large boss hitting a rotation for 10-15 minutes at a time getting loot that'll be replaced by questing greens the next expansion. crawlkill posted:don't replay Fallout 3. you're better than that. I don't know who you are, but you're capable of speaking in complete sentences, so you're better than that. But I liked Fallout 3 (way better in exploration and setting) and really don't want to walk through empty deserts while hearing Johnny Guitar for the billionth time. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Jun 7, 2015 |
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LEGO Genetics posted:I once met someone who liked Mothership Zeta. It's me, lets go.
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Aliens are cool and rayguns are cool and spaceships are cool, your turn.
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it wasnt royalties it was a cash bonus. still sucks but gently caress guys.
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Sharkopath posted:It's me, lets go.
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Mothership Zeta is great there's nothing like an appallingly slow spacesuit sequence and then getting stuck because you decided to make a friendly robot and now it's frantically trying to open a door and causing a dialogue window to pop up every second
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Shugojin posted:Mothership Zeta is great there's nothing like an appallingly slow spacesuit sequence and then getting stuck because you decided to make a friendly robot and now it's frantically trying to open a door and causing a dialogue window to pop up every second 
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MisterBibs posted:But I liked Fallout 3 (way better in exploration and setting) and really don't want to walk through empty deserts while hearing Johnny Guitar for the billionth time. never mind, Anime Schoolgirl can insult you in whatever way it prefers
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crawlkill posted:never mind, Anime Schoolgirl can insult you in whatever way it prefers  Just play Morrowind again and pretend they never made anything after that
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