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zoux posted:Last week's episode was arguably the best episode the show has ever done. Nah that will always be this one
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less laughter posted:Nah that will always be this one Last nights had a shocking moment that was not even in the book.
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Jun 8, 2015 19:25
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bobkatt013 posted:Last nights had a shocking moment that was not even in the book. So did TRoC. Talisa (Jeyne Westerling) and her baby don't die in the book.
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Jun 8, 2015 19:29
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bobkatt013 posted:Last nights had a shocking moment that was not even in the book. And are book people Real Fuckin Mad about it. Now that the shoe is on the other foot I thought that book people would be like "ahhh the irony of us being spoiled as we were so smug about spoiling before" but alas.
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Jun 8, 2015 19:32
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VDay posted:The season started off a bit slow because a lot of the storylines were in a kind of transitional state, but GoT's been on fire in the last few weeks as it wraps up the season. Most of any complaining, whining is mostly unfounded (except for how the show treats rape, because they are terrible at it - not the act, but the follow through) because it's mostly just fairweather/casual viewers who tune in to see something CRAZY AND OUTRAGEOUS happen just to be offended at it and not understand why something happened. Just discussion about last night's episode had a million thinly veiled "this is character assassination" complaints from people who clearly weren't paying attention to the show for the last 5 seasons.
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Jun 8, 2015 19:32
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Jun 8, 2015 19:35
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zoux posted:Nobody does rape well. Outlander certainly went for it. Opinion is pretty split about whether or not they did it well. I was quite impressed with where they went with it, but I get not liking their approach.
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Jun 8, 2015 19:37
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zoux posted:And are book people Real Fuckin Mad about it. This is so great.
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Jun 8, 2015 19:38
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zoux posted:And are book people Real Fuckin Mad about it. I read the books and saw last night's episode and I don't even remember what you're talking about.  Of course I also think the last two books were irredeemable garbage so any changes are bound to be good in my book.
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Jun 8, 2015 19:41
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thrawn527 posted:Outlander certainly went for it. Opinion is pretty split about whether or not they did it well. I was quite impressed with where they went with it, but I get not liking their approach. Oh was that the mega controversial season finale that everyone was talking about? I think that if you want to do a good show about sexual assault then it needs to be carefully and sensitively plotted with a lot of input from survivors and experts. It has to more or less be the focus of the show or storyline with time given to the exploration of the culture and mores around it. Incidental rape is always going to set off an internet firestorm.
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Jun 8, 2015 19:42
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IRQ posted:I read the books and saw last night's episode and I don't even remember what you're talking about. Then why are you asking how the shows are going?
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zoux posted:Then why are you asking how the shows are going? I was asking how the threads were going.
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zoux posted:Oh was that the mega controversial season finale that everyone was talking about? From what I understand (identity of person raped is as vague as I can make it, but vague book spoilers) in the books the show is based on, the character who was raped deals with the ramifications for pretty much the rest of their life, and is constantly haunted and has to deal with the events of the season finale pretty much forever. So hopefully this matches more what you're talking about.
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Jun 8, 2015 19:45
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thrawn527 posted:From what I understand (identity of person raped is as vague as I can make it, but vague book spoilers) in the books the show is based on, the character who was raped deals with the ramifications for pretty much the rest of their life, and is constantly haunted and has to deal with the events of the season finale pretty much forever. Are we talking about Outlander or GoT?
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Jun 8, 2015 19:51
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zoux posted:Are we talking about Outlander or GoT? Outlander.
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Jun 8, 2015 19:54
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But GoT has forced dick removal done so well so it evens out.
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Jun 8, 2015 19:57
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Elementary introduced a character for about a season that was abducted and raped as part of her history and I thought they handled it extremely well. It was given the proper weight and treated with the kind of frankness and maturity that you don't see on other TV shows.
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thrawn527 posted:Outlander. I see. Also, to answer your question in a very broad sense as I haven't seen the show, showing survivors/victims of sexual assault as dealing with the act for the rest of their lives is also controversial, as it might imply that rape survivors are damaged forever and can never move past it. It's just such a touchy subject that is very personal and specific to each individual, and the arguments and discussions about it are so circular and stale, that I would prefer that no TV show ever did a rape plot again.
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Jun 8, 2015 19:58
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zoux posted:I see. I see that point, and I'd probably agree. I just appreciate how Outlander took (less vague spoiler as to who was raped) all of the pain, and fear, and loss of sense of self, and guilt, and all that can come with rape and applied it to a man. A big, strong man didn't do a thing to cause it and could do a thing to stop it. In a world of prison rape jokes, something that actually says, "Yeah, men, rape really really loving sucks, doesn't it?" is a pretty big deal for me. But again, I totally get not liking what they did. It was extremely uncomfortable. As it should be.
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Watching Air Force One, how strange.
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VDay posted:Elementary introduced a character for about a season that was abducted and raped as part of her history and I thought they handled it extremely well. It was given the proper weight and treated with the kind of frankness and maturity that you don't see on other TV shows. Reign (on the CW of all places) also did a rape storyline this year. All-in-all I think they also did a fairly good job with it on the personal side, it's when it got tied into the political side of the show it kinda went stupid on occasion. But certainly better than GOT's attempts, but GOT can at least argue it has an ensemble cast and can't devote too much time to it whereas other shows can. But that's not really a good excuse to be honest.
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Just. Don't. Do. Rape. Plots.
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Jun 8, 2015 20:20
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zoux posted:Just. Don't. Do. Rape. Plots. Your precious AV Club gave the Outlander season finale a well-deserved A. It was one of the best episodes of the year and certainly the most memorable.
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zoux posted:Just. Don't. Do. Rape. Plots.
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zoux posted:Just. Don't. Do. Rape. Plots. Kurt Sutter will hunt you down. and rape you
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Another show that did a rape plot without it being capital-S lovely: Banshee. In episode 3 of the first season, an MMA match gets set up and the fighter who's flown in beats up and rapes a waitress. You don't see the vast majority of the assault, just him initially slugging her and dragging her away and then her giving her police report if I remember correctly, but it is definitely treated as a big loving deal, and Hood proceeds to hulk the gently caress out, track the guy down, and break most of the bones in his body when he finds out. The rapist then gets tortured to death offscreen by the big bad's right hand man. Say what you will about the subtleties of it, but Banshee is not a terribly redpill-friendly show. It's also noteworthy that this is one of two times in the entire show so far that someone gets sexually assaulted, and the other time it's Hood and he bites the guy's cock off and smashes his head in with a free weight. WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Jun 8, 2015 |
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Welp, I watched episodes 1 and 2 of Banshee and was very much on the fence about continuing. No need, I see.
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LORD OF BUTT posted:Another show that did a rape plot without it being capital-S lovely: Banshee. In episode 3 of the first season, an MMA match gets set up and the fighter who's flown in beats up and rapes a waitress. You don't see the vast majority of the assault, just him initially slugging her and dragging her away and then her giving her police report if I remember correctly, but it is definitely treated as a big loving deal, and Hood proceeds to hulk the gently caress out, track the guy down, and break most of the bones in his body when he finds out. The rapist then gets tortured to death offscreen by the big bad's right hand man. Dudes beating up rapists isn't terribly progressive or a terribly "good" handling of a rape story. In my opinion anyway, this is such a fraught topic, that's why I'm agin' rape.
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You should probably watch him fight the guy in episode 3 because it's pretty nasty. Also he has the details of the second one off there.
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Want to see an alternate universe vampire Batman take on an even more deranged than usual Harley Quinn? Who am I kidding, of course you do. Made by Bruce Timm, no less.  , it's pretty gory.
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Jon Do posted:Welp, I watched episodes 1 and 2 of Banshee and was very much on the fence about continuing. No need, I see. Your loss.
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zoux posted:Dudes beating up rapists isn't terribly progressive or a terribly "good" handling of a rape story. In my opinion anyway, this is such a fraught topic, that's why I'm agin' rape. Literally no one cares what you think about the "progressiveness" of a rape, you loving weirdo.
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hcreight posted:Want to see an alternate universe vampire Batman take on an even more deranged than usual Harley Quinn? Who am I kidding, of course you do. Eww. That was weird. edit: Oh and bad. Quite bad.
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Has anyone called dibs on making a Mr. Robot thread yet? I might cobble something together if no one else has anything planned.
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zoux posted:Dudes beating up rapists isn't terribly progressive or a terribly "good" handling of a rape story. In my opinion anyway, this is such a fraught topic, that's why I'm agin' rape. I was very careful with my wording: "not capital-S lovely" is not the same thing as "fantastic and progressive." Unlike GoT, it never once expects us to sympathize with a rapist or not sympathize with a rape victim. While the victim is not a major character (and in fact, I'm pretty sure she's a one-off), the viewer is expected to immediately empathize with her and be completely horrified by what the rapist did, and the rapist getting his rear end kicked is played as emotional catharsis for both the viewer and Hood more than anything else. I just threw out the second one because I was about to be like "that's the only time they've ever even touched it and they did OK" but then I remembered Hood got assaulted in prison and whooped that guy's rear end, too and wanted to preempt other mention of that scene. It's been a while since I've seen the first two seasons (I only know what happened in 1x03 off the top of my head because the Hood vs. rapist fight is basically where the show kicks into high gear) so someone else can totally correct me on the details if they want. e: I will give Banshee progressive points for having a lot of really kickass female characters, though. Carrie pretty much splits protagonist duty with Hood after the first season, Siobhan and Nola are fun as hell RIP, Rebecca is a ridiculously compelling villain (especially as her arc gets more and more batshit), ADA Medding is a great foil to Hood, and while Deva started out kinda uninteresting and stock she's been getting more and more depth every season. WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Jun 8, 2015 |
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less laughter posted:Your loss. Okay, now I'm curious. I guess I'll have to see how much of it is good like the pilot, and how much is very, very dumb like the second episode.
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Jon Do posted:Okay, now I'm curious. I guess I'll have to see how much of it is good like the pilot, and how much is very, very dumb like the second episode. It gets way better after the first season.
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Jon Do posted:Okay, now I'm curious. I guess I'll have to see how much of it is good like the pilot, and how much is very, very dumb like the second episode. Give it till 1x03. If you at least like the fight in that episode, keep going. The fight in 1x03 is where Banshee takes the kid gloves off and basically turns into The Raid: The Series.
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corn in the bible posted:IRQ confirmed as brony Dude we knew this years ago IRQ   e: 3rd Rock From The Sun got added to Netflix so I'm giving it a rewatch. It's still SO GOOD! Rarity fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Jun 8, 2015 |
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