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OhYeah posted:You know you can fit all your threadshitting into a single post so it's easier to skip for the rest of us? uh hello this is the bad thread it was shite to begin with
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that which is poo poo can never be shat, but oozes again, firmer and fouler
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Jun 9, 2015 15:26
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Book Stannis (hereafter referred to as Stanny B) not much of a believer in Melisandre's hocus pocus? Yes, she killed his brother with a spooky ghost. But otherwise, he seemed to think she was effective, but probably a little loopy too. More of a magician than a representative of the one true god. No? The Shireen scene seems out of character for that reason too. Maybe I'm missing some passages where he effuses, "There is no god but R'hllor, and Melisandre is his prophet." 
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Jun 9, 2015 15:50
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Dangerllama posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Book Stannis (hereafter referred to as Stanny B) not much of a believer in Melisandre's hocus pocus? Yes, she killed his brother with a spooky ghost. But otherwise, he seemed to think she was effective, but probably a little loopy too. More of a magician than a representative of the one true god. No? You are not wrong but it's a bit of a wash whether he believes she's a prophet with all his heart or not, he clearly hitched his horses to her carriage even if he's not 100% down with her faith. In the books he is very clearly opposed to burning innocent people, he flat out rejects burning infidels in one of the chapters in ADWD and tells Melisandre in ASOS that if burning Edric doesn't actually raise a stone dragon from the earth beneath dragonstone she will find herself on the pyre immediately, luckily for her this never gets tested due to Davos' intervention. However, this all only happens in the books, whether knowingly or not the show has Stannis a lot less critical of Mel's powers, for instance in the books he won't even hear about burning Edric until the three usurpers are dead ("Two is not three" - when Mel approaches him about burning Edric before the news of Joffrey's death arrives to dragonstone) but the show just glossed it over when Balon failed to die and Stannis was more than willing to burn Gendry. They are different characters and the show version is a lot less pedantic and 'internally consistent' than the book counterpart.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:08
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Also, I really don't feel like they got the desperation of Stannis's situation across in the show. If he was in as bad of a state as he currently is in the books, I think people would have accepted it more. I mean, Davos literally says he'll make it to Castle Black and back in a few days. Maybe just regroup there and have a bit of a think before burning your daughter alive?
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Jun 9, 2015 16:23
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The show briefly establishes how travelling with an army and supplies is entirely different than just taking a horse and possibly '20 good men' through the blizzard, the 'in world explanations' are dealt with. It is established that if Stannis turns back he'll be 'the king who ran' and that if he goes to Castle Black at the onset of winter he'll be forced to remain there until the snows thaw, there are also the establishing shots of his troops looking sick and miserable. People are just pissed off at RamBo's miraculous act of sabotage but the hopelessness of Stannis' cause gets reiterated about 4-5 times within the episode.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:31
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Stannis is just trying to eliminate the reptilians from the royal bloodline
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Jun 9, 2015 16:41
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People are confused about Stannis's motivations. He didnt burn his daughter to become King. He burned her because he believes (or has been brainwashed into believing) that he is a prophesized hero and he wont allow himself to die in a blizzard. He therefore chooses his life over the life of his daughters, while most people would likely do the opposite. I hated that they burned a girl on TV but Stannis is staying true to his character of sacrificing everything to fulfill his destiny. That said, the relationship between Stan and Shireen is portrayed wildly different in the books and show. I believe the scene where he talks about curing her greyscale was a mistake and was shoehorned for max audience empathy for when she was killed.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:49
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The fourth daughter is Darkstar, who will maim Mycella next episode on the way out of Dorne.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:49
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If there are only 4 sand snakes on the show the last one is probably Sarella who must have some part to play in the whole Oldtown/Citadel subplot
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Jun 9, 2015 16:53
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counterfeitsaint posted:The fourth daughter is Darkstar, who will maim Mycella next episode on the way out of Dorne. Nothing would make me smile more than if Myrcella is riding off and out of the crowd a Sand Snake rides up in horrible drag, wig flying in the breeze to reveal it is Darkstar. He goes to slice off Myrcella's ear but only manages to cut Jaime's gold hand off. He then rides off into the sunset, never to be heard from again.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:56
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Knuc U Kinte posted:She's his daughter and lover. That is pretty hosed up of you to be pushing your incest fetish onto this thread. Junkenstein posted:Also, I really don't feel like they got the desperation of Stannis's situation across in the show. If he was in as bad of a state as he currently is in the books, I think people would have accepted it more. I mean, Davos literally says he'll make it to Castle Black and back in a few days. Maybe just regroup there and have a bit of a think before burning your daughter alive? I would have appreciated a bit more agonizing on Stannis' part. I mean this is his defining moment, where he breaks IMO.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:57
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TommyGun85 posted:That said, the relationship between Stan and Shireen is portrayed wildly different in the books and show. I believe the scene where he talks about curing her greyscale was a mistake and was shoehorned for max audience empathy for when she was killed. Stannis has almost no direct interactions with Shireen in the books, I am not sure he even has one scene where they 'share a page', but I am not sure that the relationship is wildly different we just don't get to see it. There's the bit where Stannis burns his hand Alester Florent for negotiating an unsanctioned peace treaty with the Lannisters but when Stannis discusses Alester's actions he is absolutely livid at the fact that Alester was going to offer to betrothe Shireen to Tommen as Shireen is a true born princess and the heir to the iron throne while Tommen is a bastard born of incest. In the Theon preview chapter from TWOW Stannis sends Justin Massey to Braavos accompanying Tycho Nestoris and makes him swear that even if Stannis dies while trying to take Winterfell he will find sellswords and install Shireen on the iron throne. So whether he's affectionate or not we don't know for sure but he definitely considers her his true heir and the future queen of the seven kingdoms, I'd say their relationship on the show is consistent with the books, up until the human sacrifice that is.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:57
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Obara isn't Ellaria's daughter re: her monologue about the spear and going to court
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Jun 9, 2015 16:58
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Stannis has almost no direct interactions with Shireen in the books, I am not sure he even has one scene where they 'share a page', but I am not sure that the relationship is wildly different we just don't get to see it. I think both examples from the books show that he is more concerned about her being his heir without much or any indication of him loving her as his daughter. in either case, dude has to do what he has to do in order to fulfill his apparant destiny.
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Jun 9, 2015 17:03
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Not that Stannis' love is worth that much really, dude claims to have loved Renly.
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Jun 9, 2015 17:05
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Wow, holy poo poo, Im so stupid it JUST came to me that Davos writing the message is not a show change but a full on book spoiler. I cant believe I never pieced it together before.
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Jun 9, 2015 17:32
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Wow. You're right.
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Jun 9, 2015 17:36
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Dr. Video Games 0112 posted:Wow, holy poo poo, Im so stupid it JUST came to me that Davos writing the message is not a show change but a full on book spoiler. I cant believe I never pieced it together before. Wait, what note?
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Jun 9, 2015 17:37
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counterfeitsaint posted:The fourth daughter is Darkstar, who will maim Mycella next episode on the way out of Dorne. I bet Darkstar's maiming part will be done by Bronn. Trystane will do some foolish hotheaded young man thing like trying to kill Jaime, and then Bronn will try to put his sword through Trystane but Myrcella will get in the way. This leads to an epic fight where Jaime barely crawls away but Bronn is killed by a dozen Areo Hotah glaive wounds. Kill Bronn and Jon in the same episode, make the world burn.
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Jun 9, 2015 17:40
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Blind Sally posted:Wait, what note? The pink letter.
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Jun 9, 2015 17:45
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If Jon, Bronn, and Stannis all die next Sunday I'll have to quit my job so I can nonstop masturbate to internet tears and tumblr suicides and AWOIAF death threats sent to D&D.
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Jun 9, 2015 17:47
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RCarr posted:The pink letter. I'm confused. Details?
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Jun 9, 2015 17:47
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Who's the true heir to the Iron Show Throne now then, Baratheon-wise? They definitely state how much of a pickle Show Stannis is in, but I don't think they come close to showing it. The imagery of the snow and how skeleton like he's becoming in the books during that march really sold how hosed they were to me. Junkenstein fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Jun 9, 2015 |
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Jun 9, 2015 17:58
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Kafka Esq. posted:I bet Darkstar's maiming part will be done by Bronn. Trystane will do some foolish hotheaded young man thing like trying to kill Jaime, and then Bronn will try to put his sword through Trystane but Myrcella will get in the way. This leads to an epic fight where Jaime barely crawls away but Bronn is killed by a dozen Areo Hotah glaive wounds. I got a different vibe from that Dorne scenes last episode. Elaria completely turning from mad to sweet and Doran giving the Lannisters everything they wanted with no price or penalty? No chance that's how it plays out. Next episode we'll likely see Myrcella cut down and Bronn with her, otherwise there's no real climax to that entire plot and the opener scene with Cersei will have no relevance to the season. They also haven't done enough set up to kill off Tommen, and Kings Landing scenes will be consumed with Cersei's walk and that is enough of a finisher for KL. I have to imagine that we'll get the scene where Oakheart dies (Bronn dies in Jaime's place), Myrcella gets cut down or maimed, and Ellaria and the Sand Snakes are the root cause of it. No matter how it plays out, though, it's a waste of two of the shows best characters for an entire season. Maybe next season we'll get Jaime in the Riverlands, but I'm doubtful because much of the narrative importance of that (The Lannisters struggling to secure the peace, stamping out Stark loyalists, Brotherhood without Banners ect) are greatly diminished. Who knows where we're going to go with season 6, but season 5 was extremely rough with all the story changes. I'm actually relieved and surprised at how good the past two episodes have been and I'm very hopeful for the finale. If we get 3 solid episodes in a row this will have been a worthwhile season, even with the weak first two thirds. If the trend of lessening quality continues, though, I think we'll wind up with season 7 being good for the last 30 minutes of the series. I miss when season 1 came out and it was basically all movie quality with incredible acting, scripting and world building. Junkenstein posted:Who's the true heir to the Iron Show Throne now then, Baratheon-wise? Gendry is the only surviving (bastard) Baratheon in the show, isn't he? If the D&D even remember he exists.
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Jun 9, 2015 18:00
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There's no way Davos wrote the pink letter dudes. Not only is Davos on his mission to cannibal island to find Rickon but the letter contains information that would only be available to someone who was in Winterfell, knows about Theon's escape with Jeyne Poole and is aware of the fact that Abel is actually Mance Raydar. Davos meets none of these criteria unless some really strange things happened off page between his last chapter and the arrival of the pink letter at castle black.
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Jun 9, 2015 18:02
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Junkenstein posted:Who's the true heir to the Iron Show Throne now then, Baratheon-wise? If you were to go by the Maesters/Septons that "legitimized" Robert, it goes Tommen (if you don't believe he's a Lannister) Dany Stannis Gendry The entire Targaryen/Baratheon family tree is literally just Dany and Stannis now, plus Robert's bastards and maybe way off down some old line you have the Blackfyres and Daynes, whose 4th cousin was a 5th born Targaryen girl two centuries ago.
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Jun 9, 2015 18:07
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:If you were to go by the Maesters/Septons that "legitimized" Robert, it goes females do not inherit before males. A member of another family never inherits before a member of the ruling family. Bastards never inherit. Tommen Stannis Myrcella Dany in that order
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Jun 9, 2015 18:30
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Brother Friendship posted:I got a different vibe from that Dorne scenes last episode. Elaria completely turning from mad to sweet and Doran giving the Lannisters everything they wanted with no price or penalty? No chance that's how it plays out. Next episode we'll likely see Myrcella cut down and Bronn with her, otherwise there's no real climax to that entire plot and the opener scene with Cersei will have no relevance to the season. They also haven't done enough set up to kill off Tommen, and Kings Landing scenes will be consumed with Cersei's walk and that is enough of a finisher for KL. I have to imagine that we'll get the scene where Oakheart dies (Bronn dies in Jaime's place), Myrcella gets cut down or maimed, and Ellaria and the Sand Snakes are the root cause of it. No matter how it plays out, though, it's a waste of two of the shows best characters for an entire season. Maybe next season we'll get Jaime in the Riverlands, but I'm doubtful because much of the narrative importance of that (The Lannisters struggling to secure the peace, stamping out Stark loyalists, Brotherhood without Banners ect) are greatly diminished. Oh yeah it just occurred to me that the first episode this season had Cersei's prophecy. Myrcella is toast. And Tommen.
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Jun 9, 2015 18:47
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syscall girl posted:Oh yeah it just occurred to me that the first episode this season had Cersei's prophecy. Myrcella is toast. And Tommen. Not while Ser Pounce still draws breath.
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Jun 9, 2015 18:59
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TommyGun85 posted:females do not inherit before males. A member of another family never inherits before a member of the ruling family. Bastards never inherit. No dude, trueborn daughters inherit before uncles, and inherit before sons in Dorne.
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Jun 9, 2015 19:03
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AtAt-de-fay posted:Not while Ser Pounce still draws breath. The Puss that was Promised.
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Jun 9, 2015 19:03
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Dany is not in the waiting list for the throne at all if you go by Robert's lineage. You don't all of a sudden restore the deposed house just because the usurping one ran out of heirs. Once Tommen and Myrcella bite it the throne would technically go to Stannis but given that he is a traitor he was stripped of his titles and holdings so that's a no go, it's basically gonna be whoever seizes the throne or any living baratheon relative other than Stan.
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Jun 9, 2015 19:09
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mya stone is my queen
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Jun 9, 2015 19:11
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Edric Storm is actually the only bastard Robert ever recognized, though Mya and Gendry are both older than him, he's also noble from both sides so if the Lannisters/Tyrells will feel compelled to install a Baratheon on the throne he is the one they'd seek out. Though given that Brienne recognizes Gendry as Robert's bastard it's quite possible he still has a role to play and he might be championed by the brotherhood or something.
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Jun 9, 2015 19:16
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Bella is older than him too I think.
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Jun 9, 2015 19:21
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So will Jon be stabbed because of the wildlings, or because he tries to send troops to support stannis / rescue sansa? Also, I want to see a showdown between Melisandre and Brienne. Tit Snake might kill Bronn while making an attempt on Myrcella's life. We will get "Fire and Blood" line. kcroy fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Jun 9, 2015 |
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Jun 9, 2015 19:24
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I hope they bring back Timet (son of Timet) to sit the throne.
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Jun 9, 2015 19:36
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Alliser and Jon's steward will stab him for helping wildlings because that's been the entire build up this season and they keep making sure to remind people how much that kid loving loathes wildlings with every fiber of his being. Cersei will do her walk of shame and maybe we'll see Robert Strong. Kevin will encounter the little birds. Brienne will sneak in to Winterfell somehow and try to kill Ramsay, fail, and be turned in to a coat for Sansa who will make a giant Frey Pie for the troops as thanks. Bronn will end up loving tit snake and tell Jaime he's found his prettier wife that was promised. Bronn may or may not die afterwards. Fans will continue to be denied a fight scene showing Areo Hotepp go all out because they hate us. Though the idea we could get Jon's scene, Kevin's scene, and still have other characters (Bronn?) die in the same season finale seems like overkill and will have the "ALL THEY WANT IS SHOCK VALUE" crying cranked up another few notches.
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So I assume Barristan's plots are going to Tyrion?
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